[Video] 1.5 Where oil works / doesn't work

Teargrants · October 2014

Since no one else seems to have tested where exactly oil will work vs not work in 1.5, I've gone ahead and done it myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsCHQlGR9W8

Talcyndl · October 2014

Thanks!

But...why are you sharing this with AD and DC?

Teargrants · October 2014

Because bananas and smurfs will learn on their own, but PACT never will. $:\$

Oughash · October 2014

Thanks for this, mate!

Ghostbane · October 2014

At least there is a fine target at depth perception.

Cheers for making this!

Tintinabula · October 2014

looks like you have to be mindful of the red arc now..if it arcs enough you get a pour..if its too short not so much. I was wondering about the area near the bottom of the steps in the out posts..to the right?..only a 3-4 ft drop so I'm guessing "no".

serenenightmare · October 2014

Thanks for the video. This is awesome. Not excited about this change.

Observant · October 2014

Thanks for doing this, if the PTS didn't required another full install I'd be testing this out too. But I've got dual HDD's and another install would kill my rural internet bandwidth. It's too bad there's not simply a PTS patch.

Telel · October 2014

On the bright side no more oil fields on the bottom floor of a resource tower drawing out the last gasps of AP farmers for far to long.

on the down side...no more oil fields on the bottom floor of a resource tower helping teach the newbs why Purge, teamwork, and not walking in the front door are important.

Nidwin · October 2014

Thanks Tear.

Have you a way to test that new Set, the one that transforms you into a stone and tell us how it works?
What worries me is that it brings collision detection and you stay in statue till respawning. Not going to explain you, if that's the case, Inner and choke blocking with this.

Maulkin · October 2014

It doesn't work on stairs

And also there are certain keeps where you can get it drop from mesh above the main gate, like in 1:35 of the video. Anyonw else experienced this?

Cheers for the vid man, that's very helpful.

Tintinabula · October 2014

I venture to guess that the same people complaining about oils before will still be dying to oil afterwords.

booksmcread · October 2014

This is great, thanks for putting this together.

From your video, I feel like there are a few instances where oil should do damage, but isn't. I wonder if reducing the distance needed to travel 6m to 5m would fix that?

Asgari · October 2014

Long live the bats!

Observant · October 2014

Telel wrote: »

not walking in the front door are important.

If you have the inner door precapped you can take a keep within two minutes with 6 skilled people. The front door can be critical, but only on undefended keeps. Never underestimate it!

Draxys · October 2014

Thanks for this!

Cody · October 2014

it will be nice to see the end of the "oil in the tiny rooms" crap. however, I worry impulse blobs will be much more frustrating to deal with now, unless a fix for them comes with this change.

Teargrants · October 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

looks like you have to be mindful of the red arc now..if it arcs enough you get a pour..if its too short not so much. I was wondering about the area near the bottom of the steps in the out posts..to the right?..only a 3-4 ft drop so I'm guessing "no".

Not sure exactly what spot you're talking about.

Nidwin wrote: »

Thanks Tear.

Have you a way to test that new Set, the one that transforms you into a stone and tell us how it works?
What worries me is that it brings collision detection and you stay in statue till respawning. Not going to explain you, if that's the case, Inner and choke blocking with this.

Dunno how you get that set, and don't feel like grinding anything in PTS, sorry.

Anyway, if any AD/DC ppl would like to test stuff in Cyrodiil, I'm down. Just msg me or something. And keep this in mind:

Teargrants wrote: »

Warning: Currently ONLY Thornblade works on PTS, if you're character was in any other campaign, you will get an infinite load screen when trying to log in. If you try to enter another campaign, you will forever be in Que 1.

Sleep · October 2014

Thanks for the video. In some places it doesn't look like 6 meters but it still works.

Grim13 · October 2014

The one spot I disagree with is not being able to oil from the ledges just inside the front gate...

Tintinabula · October 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

The one spot I disagree with is not being able to oil from the ledges just inside the front gate...

I agree with this...and the scroll.

Teargrants · October 2014

I'm just curious to see how PACT will defend ghartok against the banana peels w/o oil.

Tintinabula · October 2014

I suggest adding a second level catwalk around the inner scroll room

FluffiestOne · October 2014

Scrolls and keeps will start dropping like nothing against zergsballs. gg zenimax, gg.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2014

Death From Above, I did not go to as many places as the OP, but looks like no more oil farms at flags, no more cubby hole kiddies on the Alessia bridge, to me it seems just fine..:)

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2014

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Death From Above, I did not go to as many places as the OP, but looks like no more oil farms at flags, no more cubby hole kiddies on the Alessia bridge, to me it seems just fine..:)

Those usually only work if A: The enemy team is very very dumb, and B: The defending team is very very skilled. Oil is a dumbness check. If you don't buff up shield up and move as a unit, you get fried. If you trickle in one at a time...well, obviously you're going to die. Just *considering* these changes is a monumental waste of development resources. Literally a million and one things broken with the game and time is spent on oil?

If you know a group is going to oil up towers, raze the towers. It took AD the other day 4-5 oil farms to figure that out. Oil up on keeps? Place siege to keep those little cubbies lit up. Same thing on the ground. Use meatbags and oil cats.

Oil isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. If these changes go live it'll screw the game even worse over before. Two steps forward three steps back.

Cody · October 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

I suggest adding a second level catwalk around the inner scroll room

or for those d*** gates on the building to function

Draxys · October 2014

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Literally a million and one things broken with the game and time is spent on oil?

Oil isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. If these changes go live it'll screw the game even worse over before. Two steps forward three steps back.

Yep.

thelordoffelines · October 2014

Now someone will just need to explain how you will defend breaches or scrolls.

Sleep · October 2014

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Now someone will just need to explain how you will defend breaches or scrolls.

Build up a train, run into enemy train, lag the server, pray.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · October 2014

Wow. 0:54. So you can no longer use oils to defend against attackers barging in the front gates? Oils were the main reason people were cautious about taking the "easy way in" and hit the walls instead. Also, no more holding zergballs back at imperial gate pinch points. That was only possible with oils on either side of the short stairs. (The oil slots above don't work nearly as well)

Say goodbye to a small force using smart positioning and coordination to hold off a larger healspam zerg ball. The nightcappers and PvDoor crews must love this change.

Did ZOS even ask the PvP community if this change was a good idea? I have rarely read a complaint about oils being OP or the top issue to fix in PvP.

Oils were fine and completely avoidable. When ever I die to oils, I usually just smack myself for being stupid and charging into an oil and/or not having purge slotted.

Of all the issues they could have fixed...