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Had you liked it if ESO would have been true sandbox rather than normal MMORPG?

Tapio75
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Would you like´d if ESO would have been more like a sandbox game, similar to EVE and SWG for example rather than it being more of themepark MMORPG?
Edited by Tapio75 on October 22, 2014 3:00AM
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Had you liked it if ESO would have been true sandbox rather than normal MMORPG? 146 votes

Yes
65%
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No
34%
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  • lecarcajou_ESO
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    Points for effort, but it's the if clause that really shouldn't have the conditional.

    Of course I realize that without offering an insightful correction, my above comment is supercilious and snide, possibly glib. So here goes (using a purely hypothetical statement as an example). Proper syntax would be:

    "If I had enjoyed the game more, I would not have cancelled my subscription."

    OR:

    "Had I enjoyed the game more, I would not have cancelled my subscription."

    Edited by lecarcajou_ESO on October 22, 2014 4:11AM
    "Morally Decentralized."
  • lecarcajou_ESO
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    Ok, so for the record, I think it's a beautiful game, really, but the fighting can get a little clunky sometimes. Hey, nobody's perfect, right?
    "Morally Decentralized."
  • Zionysus
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    Yes
    Points for effort, but it's the if clause that really shouldn't have the conditional.

    Of course I realize that without offering an insightful correction, my above comment is supercilious and snide, possibly glib. So here goes (using a purely hypothetical statement as an example). Proper syntax would be:

    "If I had enjoyed the game more, I would not have cancelled my subscription."

    OR:

    "Had I enjoyed the game more, I would not have cancelled my subscription."

    Thanks Sheldon Cooper.
  • Enkil
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    Yes
    They aren't mutually exclusive and can work well side-by-side at various points. Poll needs third (an perhaps more) option(s). There are a lot of hybrid models that work well. I think for the longevity of the game, the Dev's really need to flesh out the map with most, if not all, sandbox elements.
  • Voodoo
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    No
    I want a MMO and that is what I got in ESO. ...keeping in mind it is a young MMO at that.
  • Leijona
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    No
    I tried true Sandbox MMOs. It always ends the same: I don't know what to do and get anoyed by low-level player ganking ****. I like storydriven content, I like questing and going into dungeons. And all this is nothing for a true(!) Sandbox game. But I would love to see more Sandbox elements in ESO. I just don't want it to be a true Sandbox game.
    Edited by Leijona on October 22, 2014 6:55AM
  • AshySamurai
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    This poll don't have a case "I would have liked this game anyway"
    Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!
  • suycyco
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    Yes
    I've put yes but it's not perfectly true.
    I mean I don't have problem with TESO being a themepark but there is a lot more they could have done to give the feeling of freedom to the players like they have done in others ES.
    The gamedesign they have chosen with lot of phasing and non openworld game is a bit annoying for me.
  • kongkim
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    Yes
    Yes i like sandbox. But i also like this game. :)
  • Audigy
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    Yes
    I´d love to have a housing and real reputation system similar to SWG or Ultima. Writing your own story instead of playing someone else´s would be great.
  • Leijona
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    No
    It's interesting, that at the moment it seems as if more players would have prefered to play an Elder Scrolls game without it's story.

    Or we just don't have the same definition of "true Sandbox". I would like ESO to be a Sandpark game.
  • Tapio75
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    Yes
    Just to be clear wher i stand :)

    I have been subscriber from day 1 and i have no plans to cancel my subscription in foreseeable future for any other than financial reason. I love the game and i want to support it getting even better.

    That said, while i know i would have tons of less gold, my progression would nit be as great as it is now. In fact i am sure i would be far less than i am now if game would have been a true sandbox but especially if the game had been greatly similar to EVE online, i know my experience in overall would have been much more enjoyable than it is now.
    Leijona wrote: »
    Sandpark game.

    That would be great name for hybrids which ESO could easily still made to be.

    I admit that in any previous TES, the story has been mostly irrelevant to my gameplay, i have done them once or twice in Morrowind and Oblivion but Skyrim foir example.. Even with 600+ hours of gameplay, i never actually even finished the main story once. I always just concentrate to build my own stories and characters.

    Edited by Tapio75 on October 22, 2014 2:49PM
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  • stumpy999
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    I don't mind the general pvp on EU but I miss the americans
  • Drazhar14
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    Yes
    They should have made the world completely open and grid based, just like the single player games (The three factions would still be separated into different zones, obviously). Just have the grids around you load as you move around in the world. It also annoys me that I can't go through the gate in Craglorn to enter Bangkorai. As a DC character (or anyone in vet content), this should be possible.
  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    Yes
    That is my biggest disappointment with this game. I don't really know why they thought anyone would want a themepark. There are many times I have played the single player game and skipped the main story. Doing the main story isn't just mandatory in this game you get severely penalized if you don't do all the campaigns. The worst part is that you have to do it on all of your alts as well. Sometimes playing this game feels very constraining because of this.
    :trollin:
  • BBSooner
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    No
    Rather than what it is? No, I've been enjoying my time in ESO so far. I would have enjoyed it if it were a sandbox just the same though.
    Edited by BBSooner on October 22, 2014 3:19PM
  • Tapio75
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    Yes
    Leijona wrote: »
    Sandpark game.
    Drazhar14 wrote: »
    They should have made the world completely open and grid based, just like the single player games (The three factions would still be separated into different zones, obviously). Just have the grids around you load as you move around in the world. It also annoys me that I can't go through the gate in Craglorn to enter Bangkorai. As a DC character (or anyone in vet content), this should be possible.

    This restrained world with gates and zones where we can only see players of our own faction is the biggest issue for me in this game. A fully open world would have been much much better than this odd world.. At least gates exist tho.. It might hinmt that they someday could open the world.. Who knows, i still hope that it will happen. I wished i could just go anywhere i want and start creating my own story from there. At least with explorers pack, i can make any race anywhere so at least i have some degree of freedom like that but it is so litle and sadly all cant do even that.

    I would not mind at all if any race anywhere from explorers pack plus Imperial race would be opened to any player, i feel it is their right to have that.

    >>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<
  • Moonscythe
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    Yes
    I said yes, but there are caveats. I still want the story and the lore associated with the entire Elder Scrolls universe. I like having quests and things to do and don't want to have to look out for gankers but ESO feels more constrained than any of the single player Elder Scrolls games so I would like to see that aspect amended with areas of PVE randomness. Areas where the player can happen on a cave or ruin or bandit hideout or even a quest giver on the side of the road but none of it pointing to anything else except peripherally. It would be good if the caves, ruins, etc would instance on entering to either solo or group so both preferences would be served. ESO right now just feels more linear than I really prefer myself so, yeah, whoever said it, a Sandpark would suit admirably.
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  • Vizier
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    Yes
    Yes... Sandbox with story AND open world PvP but allow for ways to circumvent the story without penalty once it's been completed by one or two of your account characters.
  • Leijona
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    No
    Vizier wrote: »
    Yes... Sandbox with story AND open world PvP but allow for ways to circumvent the story without penalty once it's been completed by one or two of your account characters.

    And allow for ways to circumvent the open world PvP. Also one point, that I don't like about true Sandbox games.
  • Vahrokh
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    Yes
    If ESO had been sandbox I would not have completed it and would play more than 4 hours a week (ATM I only log in for trials day).
  • Csub
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    Don't know because it depends on how it would have been made.
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  • Athas24
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    No
    I don't know that I'd love a true sandbox game but I do wish there were more open elements. There really isn't enough of the world that I'm used to from TES in this game that is open or available to explore. I guess there needs to have been a maybe option? lol
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  • Cuyler
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    Yes
    +1 to sandpark
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  • Csub
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    Athas24 wrote: »
    I don't know that I'd love a true sandbox game but I do wish there were more open elements. There really isn't enough of the world that I'm used to from TES in this game that is open or available to explore. I guess there needs to have been a maybe option? lol
    Funny thing is, Cyrodiil, which most people use only for pvp, is probably the closest to original TES games. Lots of unmarked locations, fun hidden easter eggs, unmarked caves and tunnels, settlements etc. It looks like it was made by a different group of devs.
    Don't get me wrong wrong , I like the normal zones too but I do miss the unmarked and hidden stuffs. Even if they serve no practical purpose.

    But seriously, if you are bored just go out and explore. There was one time when I thought I fell through the map: I was climbing a mountain with guildmates and I fell into a hole on the mountain, then I was falling down, then hit a loading screen. Great, I thought, I am stuck. But then, I realised I was in a delve's end. I looked up and saw the hole, checked my map and saw guildmates entering on the far end. It was epic.
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  • Tapio75
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    Yes
    @Csub Cyrodil is great zone for exploration, i love the tension and atmosphere that fear of other players killing me adds to it, even without that aspect, it feels great to explore there..

    I for one, am not exactly bored.. I cant really say the exact mood im in when playing but it feels like game is somehow held back from its potential.

    For open world PVP aspect, it has good and bad sides to it.. If done correctly, it can add much to atmosphere and experience. Like in EVE where it basically is PVP everywhere if you wish but the enforcement of peace in higher status areas makes it practically non existant there. I dont see why same cant go for other MMORPG.. Different areas with different safety status and the higher the status, the more guards and for example, wizards that teleport to distiurbance enforce. With severe enough death penalty like losing some of your stuff and gold, it could work well..

    In open world PVP aspect, it is either that or option to flag yourself in and out of PVP.

    Considering i am pro open world PVP, it is funny that i actually hate fighting other players and avoid that as long as i can, i rather run away. Still i love the threat that gives and i can defend myself if it comes to that but at heart i hate PVP :D
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  • SaibotLiu
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    Sandboxes work good on paper, or on forums as it were, when the players answering are only thinking about how cool this and that feature could be. In practice though, the vast majority of the playerbase is not going to have the patience for sandbox elements and the inevitable steep learning curve they entail.

    At the end of the day, players are playing games that give them quest markers, simplistic crafting and combat, and story driven content because that is what they want.

    It's funny you mention SWG because that was one of my all-time favorite games. Despite the massive IP (much bigger than ES, probably the biggest single IP in human history) it couldn't bring in and retain more than 250k players at its peak. Because it was heavy on sandbox, players got bored, and only a handful of players per server were ever truly masters of their craft, be it in the economy or in PVP or PVE, because so few players were willing to learn the more complex nuances of the game.

  • MornaBaine
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    Yes
    There is much to like about this game. And it IS an MMO so it's going to have those elements. Quests are necessary as far as I am concerned. And so are expansions so we can have NEW quests! BUT this game ALSO desperately needs the sandbox elements it's still painfully missing. It needs far more character customization options, both at character creation AND in game, it needs housing with LOTS of options and it needs guild cities. It needs a ton more social interaction emotes. And there need to be CHILDREN in the cities! It's just freakish that this appears to be a world completely devoid of children, especially considering what a big part they played in Skyrim.
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  • Mordria
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    No
    No way. Months ago I thought ESO being 'part' sandbox may be cool. The only problem is sandbox games are run by the players and unfortunately too many players like to cheat, scam and do whatever they can to get ahead in a game.

    These are just games, and behavior like that in a game just shows poor character and it also makes the game a bad experience for other people that like to play a game the way it's supposed to be played. This should never be in the Elder Scrolls world. It's bad enough they are trying to mix PVE and PVP together on a server. Lets not make it any worse please.
  • MornaBaine
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    Yes
    "Sandpark," yes! It really DOES need elements of both!
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