Purposely Causing Rollbacks In Order to Regain Lost Scrolls

kijima · October 2014

It's a conspiracy I tells ya!

/grabs tinfoil hat

SienneYviete · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

Wonder how many times people see a group that............

Fortunately being oceanic DC

We are there, generally our time is spent counting passing tumbleweeds in southern high rock though.

Grim13 · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

It's a conspiracy I tells ya!

/grabs tinfoil hat

How many times did you post that exact dismissive response on some other forum when people were discussing whether the American Government was spying on American Citizens or not?

..right up until it broke that they were, I bet.

Columba · October 2014

it doesn't matter who started it. the players spamming this should get a time out.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · October 2014

Cysapper wrote: »

Really AD is talking about shutting down the server. Ok, some may of did it but they learned it from AD. You guys have 0 skill always following the skellie impulse monkey's.

The funny thing is that we see the skellies copying our tactics all the time. all they have is impulse spam. when it comes down to it the have no skill. Like dwemer_paleologist said We actually have skill! not one button impulse spam and think we are badass . funny really

Grim13 · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

Rollbacks are not 'caused' by players doing a certain thing

Here is a quote from a summary of the pvp talks at the guild summit:

AoE Target Cap Updates

Eric recognized the current meta of stacking in AoE and distributing damage throughout your group. This isn’t the gameplay ZOS wants, they want large groups of abilities to be vulnerable to AoE and afraid of AoE. Some important concerns to consider with increasing the AoE cap are:
•Effect on Ultimate generation

•Application of secondary effects (stuns, CCs)

•Additional server load

•Effects on PvE balance

•The solution ZOS is currently considering involves healing remaining capped at 6 targets, but AoE damage being unlimited in the number of targets it can affect, but subjecting that damage to a damage falloff effect where as an AoE hits more and more targets the damage dealt to additional targets decreases by some scaled percentage.

hmm... if they're worried about increasing AoEs adding additional server load... then AoEs must currently cause server load...

..and if AoEs are "players doing a certain thing"... then "players doing a certain thing" causes server load...

..and since server loading issues are responsible for rollbacks...

...it would follow that rollbacks ARE caused by "players doing a certain thing".

kijima · October 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

How many times did you post that exact dismissive response on some other forum when people were discussing whether the American Government was spying on American Citizens or not?

..right up until it broke that they were, I bet.

The only exercise you are getting is jumping to conclusions and running away with your imagination.

You assume I'm American, that's your second mistake. (the first was arguing over a forum)

Your third assumption is coming to a conclusion all by your self that server load equates to roll backs which I don't see them saying, I do however see you insinuating it.

Increased server load isn't good I'll grant you, but they aren't saying the rollbacks are a result of that load. YOU are suggesting that's the case with your "it would follow... comment"

IF you can get ZOS to state that increased server load creates the rollbacks, then I'll stop making comments about tin foil hats, until then stay frosty brother!

rtc07 · October 2014

Not excusing DC if that is what they did (and there is idiots on all 3 factions so anything is possible), but the issue goes beyond that. There is no way to get the scroll from Faregyl unless it was done at 5 AM. A couple nights ago we tried to get it back, and so many people flock to the keep to either legitimately defend or get the defence tick, that it lags so bad we can't use siege to keep the wall under attack, or even hit the people who are repairing the walls. It's ridiculous.

Purposefully crashing the server is messed up no matter who is doing it, but the crappy servers is the main issue.

P.S. I would love to remain totally neutral but it's we all know the AD skellie crew is by far the worst offender, so it is comical that it's AD complaining. Not that it's OP's fault that he happens to be in the same alliance as those clowns.

Rylana · October 2014

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Islyn · October 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

impulse, pissing people whiners off since day 1 of this game

Fixed.

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 · October 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

Rollbacks on thornblade have benefit every faction. Yellow, blue, and red.

Dead on. As AD I have more than once seen a rollback bring back a lost scroll as much as I have seen AD lose a scroll.

To be honest "policing PvP" is not the issue here, it is the "mega server" proving it isn't so mega.

Lfehova · October 2014

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

Rollbacks on thornblade have benefit every faction. Yellow, blue, and red.

Dead on. As AD I have more than once seen a rollback bring back a lost scroll as much as I have seen AD lose a scroll.

To be honest "policing PvP" is not the issue here, it is the "mega server" proving it isn't so mega.

Tell your AD friends, it is as much DC's fault as it is the AD impulse zerg. I know for a fact, everytime they see my name, they call it out on TS and they ball up spamming healing springs before an engage to charge their ultimates.

People need to realize, lots of organized guilds/groups do this prior to an engage. And when hundreds of players on all factions do this, at one keep, the mega server will take a big dump on our chests.

Blame ZoS and the servers, not the players. I don't even blame AD despite the fact that I was informed by AD that there was spam in AD guild chats like "All available AD, join Thornblade now to help crash the campaign"

Keep the focus on ZoS to fix the server issues

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 · October 2014

Personally how can ANYONE prove it. You can claim you saw a group spamming Healing Springs and no one was around needing heals but most groups I have run with in PvE and PvP use it to charge up Ultimates - well I spam Ingenious Weapons but just saying. Morever these are skills ZoS gave EVERYONE - sure we may not like seeing "Impulse Spamming Monkeys" but the reality is they are skills given to us to use and for some builds and situations they are the most effective. Personally adding a longer cooldown on Impulse will help in addition to the reduction in range but this thread is about skill spamming to crash the server and force a rollback and we can blame ZoS for this not the players imho.

"Keep the focus on ZoS to fix the server issues" - PERIOD.

Grim13 · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

How many times did you post that exact dismissive response on some other forum when people were discussing whether the American Government was spying on American Citizens or not?

..right up until it broke that they were, I bet.

The only exercise you are getting is jumping to conclusions and running away with your imagination.

You assume I'm American, that's your second mistake. (the first was arguing over a forum)

Your third assumption is coming to a conclusion all by your self that server load equates to roll backs which I don't see them saying, I do however see you insinuating it.

Increased server load isn't good I'll grant you, but they aren't saying the rollbacks are a result of that load. YOU are suggesting that's the case with your "it would follow... comment"

IF you can get ZOS to state that increased server load creates the rollbacks, then I'll stop making comments about tin foil hats, until then stay frosty brother!

lol

1) You've assumed I've assumed you're American. Nowhere in " whether the American Government was spying on American Citizens or not" did I say you were American. I've had that discussion before and I'm Canadian.

2) You're also "arguing over a forum"... Hypocrite much?

3) I'm making a logical deduction. You, on the other hand, are being dismissive out of hand. At least I'm bringing something to the conversation other than flippant attempts at cleverness.

4) I've witnessed multiple rollbacks, first hand. I've also been present for 3 that were intentional over the course of the last 6 months. Search the forums... there are threads where DC Players ADMIT that a small faction within the faction are causing crashes/rollbacks on purpose. It's not exactly a conspiracy.

Grim13 · October 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

Rollbacks on thornblade have benefit every faction. Yellow, blue, and red.

Dead on. As AD I have more than once seen a rollback bring back a lost scroll as much as I have seen AD lose a scroll.

To be honest "policing PvP" is not the issue here, it is the "mega server" proving it isn't so mega.

Tell your AD friends, it is as much DC's fault as it is the AD impulse zerg. I know for a fact, everytime they see my name, they call it out on TS and they ball up spamming healing springs before an engage to charge their ultimates.

People need to realize, lots of organized guilds/groups do this prior to an engage. And when hundreds of players on all factions do this, at one keep, the mega server will take a big dump on our chests.

Blame ZoS and the servers, not the players. I don't even blame AD despite the fact that I was informed by AD that there was spam in AD guild chats like "All available AD, join Thornblade now to help crash the campaign"

Keep the focus on ZoS to fix the server issues

Look, I get that people do spam healing springs to build ulti... but that still wouldn't explain the raid group in the courtyard, all huddled together, spamming impulse with no AD around them just before the server crashed...

kijima · October 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

I've witnessed multiple rollbacks, first hand. I've also been present for 3 that were intentional over the course of the last 6 months. Search the forums... there are threads where DC Players ADMIT that a small faction within the faction are causing crashes/rollbacks on purpose. It's not exactly a conspiracy.

Blah blah blah....words, arguments and bold text.

I too have seen rollbacks first hand, as have pretty much anyone that plays in Cyrodiil consistently, you aren't Robinson Crusoe on that mate. And having experienced a rollback alone doesn't make you an expert on Rollbacks. I've experienced a Solar Eclipse before, that doesn't make me an expert on Eclipse's.

As for what a few people are saying, DC or other factions, I couldn't give a flying Continental, they aren't experts either. There is zero proof (you should have a look at the meaning of the word proof) that anyone is causing roll backs at all, none, zero, zip, nada.

With a hand full of population on a buff server I've seen a rollback... kinda puts a dampener on your conspiracy theory doesn't it?

Give me proof, until then let the tinfoil hats and conspiracy theories abound!

serenenightmare · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

I've witnessed multiple rollbacks, first hand. I've also been present for 3 that were intentional over the course of the last 6 months. Search the forums... there are threads where DC Players ADMIT that a small faction within the faction are causing crashes/rollbacks on purpose. It's not exactly a conspiracy.

Blah blah blah....words, arguments and bold text.

I too have seen rollbacks first hand, as have pretty much anyone that plays in Cyrodiil consistently, you aren't Robinson Crusoe on that mate. And having experienced a rollback alone doesn't make you an expert on Rollbacks. I've experienced a Solar Eclipse before, that doesn't make me an expert on Eclipse's.

As for what a few people are saying, DC or other factions, I couldn't give a flying Continental, they aren't experts either. There is zero proof (you should have a look at the meaning of the word proof) that anyone is causing roll backs at all, none, zero, zip, nada.

With a hand full of population on a buff server I've seen a rollback... kinda puts a dampener on your conspiracy theory doesn't it?

Give me proof, until then let the tinfoil hats and conspiracy theories abound!

Give this man a cookie.

kijima · October 2014

I like cookies nearly as much as I like AP.

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