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Shadow Cloak Spamming must STOP
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.
Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.
I guess it depends on how you play your sorc. If I'm playing keep away I usually always have time for a tick of dark exchange to keep my magicka going. I don't play templar but every video I've seen of them doing well looks like it entirely relied on the magicka returns from harness magicka.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points1 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.
Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.
I guess it depends on how you play your sorc. If I'm playing keep away I usually always have time for a tick of dark exchange to keep my magicka going. I don't play templar but every video I've seen of them doing well looks like it entirely relied on the magicka returns from harness magicka.
Its true
, either in my small man v zerg form or healing form, harness is my sustain. Sure I can use spell symm, if I am with another healer or two that I trust, but that isn't always the case unfortunately as we tend to run 4-8 players (10 every now and then). 0 -
Darthryan✭✭✭this post has the most "lol"s ive ever seen.
im a bow nb. so when i spam cloak that means 3 times cause then my magic is gone. hey give my reflctive skills and your instant heal and ill give u my buggy cloak.
we are pretty strong solo with our bow builds and our ambush magic build. however nbs cant do what u dks do. not yet but soon we will rise up and be the new scourge of cyrodil.5 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mriguy1981 wrote: »....not yet but soon we will rise up and be the new scourge of cyrodil.
Soon? What do you mean soon? You're already the scourge of CyrodiilEU | PC | AD2 -
Braidas✭✭✭✭✭
Personally never used harness.....but not everyone is BRAIDAS.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.
Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.
I guess it depends on how you play your sorc. If I'm playing keep away I usually always have time for a tick of dark exchange to keep my magicka going. I don't play templar but every video I've seen of them doing well looks like it entirely relied on the magicka returns from harness magicka.
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
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Personally never used harness.....but not everyone is BRAIDAS.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.
Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.
I guess it depends on how you play your sorc. If I'm playing keep away I usually always have time for a tick of dark exchange to keep my magicka going. I don't play templar but every video I've seen of them doing well looks like it entirely relied on the magicka returns from harness magicka.
Truth, not everyone can be Braidas.0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
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Personally never used harness.....but not everyone is BRAIDAS.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.
Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.
I guess it depends on how you play your sorc. If I'm playing keep away I usually always have time for a tick of dark exchange to keep my magicka going. I don't play templar but every video I've seen of them doing well looks like it entirely relied on the magicka returns from harness magicka.
so not everyone spams puncturing strikes... or... what?(lol)1 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mriguy1981 wrote: »....not yet but soon we will rise up and be the new scourge of cyrodil.
Soon? What do you mean soon? You're already the scourge of Cyrodiil
DKs are bigger scourge then.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as NB have to close to melee range and there's at least a window where you have a chance to enage in a duel I don't mind if they slip away. That's what a NB should be IMHO. As long as it isn't a complete "get out of jail free" ticket. Especially in combination with one-shot kills from stealth, that could be a game killer. In other words, NB should have a decent chance to escape from a duel, but it's not like they should have the "right" to do so 100% of the time.
That's why I think it's a good thing there are detection potions: NB cannot ever be certain they're not being detected. NB should not complain about that (some have). These potions last 10 seconds and come with the usual 30 second cooldown. To say this completely negates NB skills is just silly.Edited by Muizer on October 18, 2014 8:58AMPlease stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
and what set up is this?1 -
Saet✭✭✭How far across the map are we talking here? Even if you could travel while constantly shadow cloaked you could still get knocked out of it at anytime by multiple things. Detect pots, magelight, hawk eyed npc guards, crickets, etc.Saet - stam nb
Hordak - magicka nb
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
and what set up is this?
full light, 5 magus,5 warlock, 15 second cooldown reduction on pots as an argonian nightbladehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
and what set up is this?
full light, 5 magus,5 warlock, 15 second cooldown reduction on pots as an argonian nightblade
ok. cool. now try spamming cloak with a NB in medium armor, or a LA NB that is using a different set.
a NB in medium armor or HA, in PvP, will have to sacrifice about 400+ magicka with each cloak use, in a full LA set, about 260ish or so. unless you combine that with warlock, or some other magic set that gives you a (snip) ton of magicka, you wont be spamming shadowcloak to the point you can do it across the map.
even if you COULD keep up the magic to do so, the cloak breaks on a ridiculous amount of things. keep guards, enemy players, battles with 3+ enemies...... sometimes it just wont even activate.... you have to be very lucky to use it across the map.Edited by Cody on October 18, 2014 8:42PM5 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
and what set up is this?
full light, 5 magus,5 warlock, 15 second cooldown reduction on pots as an argonian nightblade
ok. cool. now try spamming cloak with a NB in medium armor, or a LA NB that is using a different set.
a NB in medium armor or HA, in PvP, will have to sacrifice about 400+ magicka with each cloak use, in a full LA set, about 260ish or so. unless you combine that with warlock, or some other magic set that gives you a (snip) ton of magicka, you wont be spamming shadowcloak to the point you can do it across the map.
even if you COULD keep up the magic to do so, the cloak breaks on a ridiculous amount of things. keep guards, enemy players, battles with 3+ enemies...... sometimes it just wont even activate.... you have to be very lucky to use it across the map.
oh the age old "Well if you can't do it with Medium Armor it just isn't possible on a Nightblade" argument
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭ok. cool. now try spamming cloak with a NB in medium armor, or a LA NB that is using a different set.
There's always some guy that's going to complain...Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
Pox Dragon Knight
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squshy7✭✭✭Is this...a real thread?In order of conception:
Castnia Ashwind VR14 Nightblade; original Day 1 Vampire, bloodfiends, not bought. You're probably in my family tree.
Jul'eh Kaleh VR14 Templar
Lysnta Ashwind VR14 Sorcerer
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✭Oddly shaow clock is currently out of my hot bars atm, you really don't get has far away has you think in alliance wars.
You know how many nbs end up in the same spot, mist form is still a better escape plan then shadow cloak. Unless your on the denfense then you just cloak till you hit guards or doors and you have to uncloak to do the doors so still get caught with pants down a lot.
If I had choice between dark cloak and mist form, mist form for escape, then poof out use dark cloak. :P dark cloak is more a benefit to vampires then any other build.
Just my two silver, but with how things are playing you only use dark cloak when part of a gank force or skirmishing to try to drag foes away and poof out while others move in to the main points.
really no need to change it to make it worse.Edited by RedTalon on October 19, 2014 12:12AM0 -
Remorseless✭✭✭Show us on the doll where the nightblade touched you.Edited by Remorseless on October 19, 2014 1:34AMVice
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This thread is pretty much a resource tower full of LOLoil pots. Goals are goals, I guess. Enjoy your new forum achievement, Nico.1
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
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and you did not read my post past the first 2 sentences. that's nicexsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.
NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.
lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.
With the setup I use I can move across the map with shadowcloak
and what set up is this?
full light, 5 magus,5 warlock, 15 second cooldown reduction on pots as an argonian nightblade
ok. cool. now try spamming cloak with a NB in medium armor, or a LA NB that is using a different set.
a NB in medium armor or HA, in PvP, will have to sacrifice about 400+ magicka with each cloak use, in a full LA set, about 260ish or so. unless you combine that with warlock, or some other magic set that gives you a (snip) ton of magicka, you wont be spamming shadowcloak to the point you can do it across the map.
even if you COULD keep up the magic to do so, the cloak breaks on a ridiculous amount of things. keep guards, enemy players, battles with 3+ enemies...... sometimes it just wont even activate.... you have to be very lucky to use it across the map.
oh the age old "Well if you can't do it with Medium Armor it just isn't possible on a Nightblade" argumentEdited by Cody on October 19, 2014 3:30AM2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?
CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!
Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.
Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.
Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.
P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!
This has to be a joke!
NB get a stealth skill that rarely works and even if it does makes them get 0.0000001 feet away from the attacker haha.
They also get no class skills to keep up their hp, stam, magicka compared to ALL other classes.
This is either a bad joke or you a DK of all classes just want to be able to mash your face into the keyboard and still win, EVEN MORE.2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭delete, it sent twice.Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on October 19, 2014 4:07AM0 -
Hypertionb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭spamming?
most fights i cloak out of only require 1 or 2 casts and some smart sneaking..
you just dont like the fact someone got the better of you in any fashion.
"they got away from me, nerf what they used" arguement is tired and old..I play every class in every situation. I love them all.1
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