Tired of having cheaters/exploiters taking your Scrolls without taking the necessary Keeps first?

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

ZOS

Tweak the guards and NPCs in the Scroll Temples to be V20 and invulnerable when the necessary keeps aren't in enemy hands. They revert to normal V5 should the gates open.

Boom problem solved.

You're welcome

NovaShadow · October 2014

Or have a scroll unable to be picked up when a gate is closed. No open gate, cannot pickup scroll.

Rylana · October 2014

The temple has gates on it, they should be closed if the scroll gate itself is also closed.

NovaShadow · October 2014

Rylana wrote: »

The temple has gates on it, they should be closed if the scroll gate itself is also closed.

I'm sitting in a temple right now and they look more like decorations. Though this is a good idea. Closed gate, closed temple.

Columba · October 2014

just don't allow camps behind scroll gates. ever

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Nah, the [snip] that are audacious enough to cheat should be punished for it. Not just locked out of achieving their objective. They should have to watch their characters die painful explosive deaths and be unable to respawn ANYWHERE within Cyrodiil.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Ackwalan · October 2014

Is it exploiting to hide behind the gate and when it closes to try for the scroll? (real question) It is kind of lame, and I usually search the camp for stragglers after the gate closes (found a few today doing it) but I'm not sure if it is an exploited.

Grim13 · October 2014

Columba wrote: »

just don't allow camps behind scroll gates. ever

Agreed. I'd thought that was ZOS' stance on the issue... but I guess there are a few spots they missed when they said they were making it impossible to place camps behind the gates...

kevlarto_ESO · October 2014

I agree how about some gates at the gate where the mages are, just like a roach motel ninja's enter but they don't leave.
Really they are behind the gate for a reason and they have a closed gate for a reason, I see some good suggestions in this thread.

Zubba · October 2014

I see absolutely no problem with camps after the gates close. It ads flavour to the game.

NovaShadow · October 2014

Zubba wrote: »

I see absolutely no problem with camps after the gates close. It ads flavour to the game.

We're not talking about gates being open then closed. We're talking about when gates weren't open and yet scrolls are taken. Read properly next time.

Azarul · October 2014

Looks like your talking about both to me.

cozmon3c_ESO · October 2014

When they out tactics you, you get upset? I completely disagree with most of what you guys are saying. Now if these guys are getting over the gate when it's closed that should be addressed but if they are through the gate before it closes then it's on you to make sure they are cleared out, not the devs.

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

NovaShadow · October 2014

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

When they out tactics you, you get upset? I completely disagree with most of what you guys are saying. Now if these guys are getting over the gate when it's closed that should be addressed but if they are through the gate before it closes then it's on you to make sure they are cleared out, not the devs.

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

Yes, we're talking about when the gates are closed and weren't open to begin with, a certain guild uses exploits to get behind the gate, sets up a camp and takes the scroll.

We're not talking about when the gates are open and people can enter and wait until they're closed.

Azarul · October 2014

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

I like the idea, however I think it would be really hard to ever get a scroll then.

Subtomik · October 2014

NovaShadow wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

When they out tactics you, you get upset? I completely disagree with most of what you guys are saying. Now if these guys are getting over the gate when it's closed that should be addressed but if they are through the gate before it closes then it's on you to make sure they are cleared out, not the devs.

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

Yes, we're talking about when the gates are closed and weren't open to begin with, a certain guild uses exploits to get behind the gate, sets up a camp and takes the scroll.

We're not talking about when the gates are open and people can enter and wait until they're closed.

I know of a guild that camped behind a gate for hours after they were indeed open and no one cleaned out the stragglers.

unless this is another instance im thinking of zero exploits were done.

you guys left everything open and lost the entire map yesterday. there was ample time to get behind the gates and wait lol.

cozmon3c_ESO · October 2014

Have you ever had a good scroll defense happen at the temple, i can think of only a few times over the past year I have been in cyrodil. There needs to be something to slow the zerg so they can't just rush it with mass numbers and just take the scroll in the chaos. So many times the defenders do not have enough time to set up a defense of the temple. Most of the time actually. Doors will allow the defense to set up and set up an inner defense and force the offense to go through a choke point until they open more doors. Scrolls should be hard to get imo. Not just zerg rush the center.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Have you ever had a good scroll defense happen at the temple, i can think of only a few times over the past year I have been in cyrodil. There needs to be something to slow the zerg so they can't just rush it with mass numbers and just take the scroll in the chaos. So many times the defenders do not have enough time to set up a defense of the temple. Most of the time actually. Doors will allow the defense to set up and set up an inner defense and force the offense to go through a choke point until they open more doors. Scrolls should be hard to get imo. Not just zerg rush the center.

We've had several, unfortunately many are late night due to the nature of the population.

It's very tough, and requires no slip ups for the defending faction.

Huntler · October 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

When they out tactics you, you get upset? I completely disagree with most of what you guys are saying. Now if these guys are getting over the gate when it's closed that should be addressed but if they are through the gate before it closes then it's on you to make sure they are cleared out, not the devs.

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

Yes, we're talking about when the gates are closed and weren't open to begin with, a certain guild uses exploits to get behind the gate, sets up a camp and takes the scroll.

We're not talking about when the gates are open and people can enter and wait until they're closed.

I know of a guild that camped behind a gate for hours after they were indeed open and no one cleaned out the stragglers.

teehee

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Zubba wrote: »

I see absolutely no problem with camps after the gates close. It ads flavour to the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't taking a scroll from behind a closed gate a ban-able offense?

FluffiestOne · October 2014

The Lord Fixate rather enjoys taking scrolls from behind gates. Fun fact, dc has people that stay in the temple after a gate opens, just get good.

Asgari · October 2014

Learn to clear your zones and this wont be an issue. I dont see a problem if someone wants to sit 30+ min behind the gate. They arent earning AP or helping the faction during that time.

Stop crying about every little aspect of PvP that doesnt favor you.

eliisra · October 2014

You shouldn't be able to spawn indefinitely behind closed gates, due to sloppy coding. I mean really, should scroll defence be all about finding that one guy in sneak spitting out ninja camps?

It dont think it matters personally if the gate was opened one hour earlier and people lingered behind, or if it's been closed all day. You're not suppose to be able to place camps close to enemy temple or in the [snip] starter area lol. Not when the gate is shut, not when the gate is open. But with like so many other things in this game, ZoS missed more than a few spots.

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WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

When they out tactics you, you get upset? I completely disagree with most of what you guys are saying. Now if these guys are getting over the gate when it's closed that should be addressed but if they are through the gate before it closes then it's on you to make sure they are cleared out, not the devs.

As for the scroll temple I think the gates should drop and have to be broken down before you can get the scroll. When a door is at 50% it should go under attack like any keep. This gives you the defenders a warning and time to get there to defend.

-Leper

Yes, we're talking about when the gates are closed and weren't open to begin with, a certain guild uses exploits to get behind the gate, sets up a camp and takes the scroll.

We're not talking about when the gates are open and people can enter and wait until they're closed.

I know of a guild that camped behind a gate for hours after they were indeed open and no one cleaned out the stragglers.

unless this is another instance im thinking of zero exploits were done.

you guys left everything open and lost the entire map yesterday. there was ample time to get behind the gates and wait lol.

The instance my post is referring to was last night/this morning around 0100-0200 when a specific DC player whose name I can't name because of rules and regulations on the forum picked up the scroll of Altadoon without either EP or DC owning both Faregyl and Black Boot.

EDIT: Situation clarified.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Learn to clear your zones and this wont be an issue. I dont see a problem if someone wants to sit 30+ min behind the gate. They arent earning AP or helping the faction during that time.

Stop crying about every little aspect of PvP that doesnt favor you.

Oh I'm sure if any other faction would've done it, half the tryhards and forumcommando's would be up in arms crying foul play.

Careful of the edge of that pedestal, looks like it's a long way down.

Asgari · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Learn to clear your zones and this wont be an issue. I dont see a problem if someone wants to sit 30+ min behind the gate. They arent earning AP or helping the faction during that time.

Stop crying about every little aspect of PvP that doesnt favor you.

Oh I'm sure if any other faction would've done it, half you tryhards and forumcommando's would be up in arms crying foul play.

Careful of the edge of that pedestal, looks like it's a long way down.

If you knew me or anything about me you would know i would laugh and say thank you for the free AP.

Aoe_Barbecue · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

I see absolutely no problem with camps after the gates close. It ads flavour to the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't taking a scroll from behind a closed gate a ban-able offense?

No. ZoS also does not consider camps placed behind gates bannable

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Learn to clear your zones and this wont be an issue. I dont see a problem if someone wants to sit 30+ min behind the gate. They arent earning AP or helping the faction during that time.

Stop crying about every little aspect of PvP that doesnt favor you.

Oh I'm sure if any other faction would've done it, half you tryhards and forumcommando's would be up in arms crying foul play.

Careful of the edge of that pedestal, looks like it's a long way down.

If you knew me or anything about me you would know i would laugh and say thank you for the free AP.

I'd probably hi-5 you and say good game. But I remember the stink that was raised when certain AD players found their way through enemy gates. This is really just par for the course in that respect.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

I see absolutely no problem with camps after the gates close. It ads flavour to the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't taking a scroll from behind a closed gate a ban-able offense?

No. ZoS also does not consider camps placed behind gates bannable

Not what I asked. Camps placed behind gates after the gates were open for however long, sure cool whatever.

But if the gates hadn't been opened in hours upon hours, that's not okay. But hey I don't make the rules, I'm still just trying to figure them the hell out.

Aoe_Barbecue · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

My game philosophy is the right one!

Nah

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

I think I'm clever!

That's nice, pumpkin. Go play with your trains.