Komma wrote: »

Isn't ep in the lead with all three in a close race. This has been a great campaign so far with very little night capping.

And as will see what happens during the last week. AD night capped every night hard during the last campaing when EP was in the lead for the entire campaing. WATCH AND SEE. Ill re-quote this in 2 weeks time.

""EP or DC will be in the lead and AD WILL night cap consistently for the last 5-6 days to ensure AD the lead and win !!! """" QUOTE

But between now and then I'll still have a blast killing them in the meantime.

Braidas wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

Hnnnngggg....wait what were we talking about?

It's a night cap...

This entire thread just makes it seem like other Oceanic players like myself should give up pvp entirely so that your precious map stays perfectly in tact as you left it when you logged off.

All this night capping ***. You do realise I can say exactly the same thing about NA primetime. All the work I put into helping take keeps when its my primetime to play is gone down the drain when I log on the next morning to find everything has been taken back. Should I be complaining here about nightcapping when I'm asleep?

I don't because I know I cannot be on 24/7 and as a megaserver that doesn't shut down when you want it you've gotta deal with the fact that people like me that don't live in Northern Hemisphere have no option but to play on the NA or EU servers and as such we pvp at different times. This isn't going to change so learn to accept it.

I do agree however that if ZOS did make some changes to things it would make a difference, but what exactly those changes could be I do not know. But locking out Oceanic players from your precious campaign while you're in bed is NOT FAIR and I completely disagree with.

One campaign for vet, one campaign for non-vet. Horse beating problem solved.

michael_bimson wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

You do realise I can say exactly the same thing about NA primetime. All the work I put into helping take keeps when its my primetime to play is gone down the drain when I log on the next morning to find everything has been taken back.

So if there were 2 x 12 hour campaigns, you wouldn't suffer night capping either. Again I'm not seeing the relevance of your argument to the suggested solution. Do you prefer that "All the work I put into helping take keeps when its my primetime to play is gone down the drain when I log on the next morning"? Or would you prefer your own "prime time" campaign at approximately your prime time in which your effort is not undermined?

Or an Oceanic server, problem fixed and the lag would be so much better.

Nidwin wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Or an Oceanic server, problem fixed and the lag would be so much better.

Really?

What about the Euros playing on the NA server?
What about our African, Asian, Middle East players?
What about American players with very different playing hours, outside NA prime-time?
What about those French Canadiens, Kings of Night Capping? It's well known that French Canadiens never sleep, don't eat, don't have a social lifes and only Night Cap in every RvR game.
What about West-Coast players going to bed early in the morning during the week-ends?
Any players from Hawaii, Tahiti,... around by the way?

Human stupidity will never stops to amaze me.

How exactly is it stupid for me to want a server based in the Oceanic area?

Nermy wrote: »

I don't think that one faction thinks to itself, 'I know a good plan, let's wait until all the bananas and smurfs are tucked up in bed with their coco and storybooks and we'll take back all the keeps! MUUUUWHHHHHAAAHAHAHAAA!'

In Thornblade NA, I have it on good authority that is precisely what happens in the /zone chat of AD.

'Just hold out till late night, we're stronger there' or 'hold onto emp, don't worry about keeps and scrolls, we'll get it all back when the aussies log in'. Numerous times specific organized teams have pushed this thought process.

NovaShadow wrote: »

How exactly is it stupid for me to want a server based in the Oceanic area?

Its not stupid, I' sure all the Oceaninc players would want their own server and if being objective I am sure that Nidwin would recognise that. It would be a solution for Oceanic players definitely, but I'm equally sure that ZOS must have done some sort of cost/benefit analysis and concluded that its not profitable enough for them.

Nermy wrote: »

The reason my guild, and a few other guilds I know, play on Thornblade [EU] is that you can get a fight 24/7.

Indeed you can, but that is one full campaign out of 4 (not including the non-vet one) and it has huge queues because everyone knows you can get a fight there 24/7. However it used to be four campaigns that were full-ish, so I am concerned that we appear to be losing PvP players and, while that may be for a plethora of reasons, here's one potential solution to consider.

Nermy wrote: »

I don't think that one faction thinks to itself, 'I know a good plan, let's wait until all the bananas and smurfs are tucked up in bed with their coco and storybooks and we'll take back all the keeps! MUUUUWHHHHHAAAHAHAHAAA!'

For the most part I agree (although there is anecdotal evidence to the contrary); as you say:

Nermy wrote: »

People are around at all times, for all kinds of reasons.

Nermy wrote: »

Night-capping, as it has become known and tbh, I think that's a slightly s**t term, is here to stay. You can't limit people's playing time in a game that is open and online 24/7 and that they pay for.

Which is exactly not what I am suggesting. I am suggesting that 24 hour coverage continues and people are allowed to 'home' their campaign in their own 'prime time' time slot, I suggested 2 x 12 hour campaigns but 3 x 8 hour campaigns might also work. You guest in the opposing time slot campaign but continue to receive AP from it on your score, so if you are literally online 24/7 you will still likely be an emperor candidate in your 'home' campaign time.

I think that almost nothing would change except for the fact that the effort you put in in your 'prime time' is not 'undermined' by the fact you have a life outside of ESO. Now I may be missing something and if I am, I apologise and would appreciate enlightenment.

But before anyone repeats that you cannot limit people's playing time in a 24/7 online game, this is not a valid argument against the suggestion, people's game time will not be limited. 24/7 availability would continue, just imagine that you are playing on your home campaign for 12 hours and a guest campaign for 12 hours but the guest APs would still contribute to your home campaign score. That is how I see it working (although it may necessitate removing the ability to guest elsewhere).

NovaShadow wrote: »

This entire thread just makes it seem like other Oceanic players like myself should give up pvp entirely so that your precious map stays perfectly in tact as you left it when you logged off.

All this night capping ***. You do realise I can say exactly the same thing about NA primetime. All the work I put into helping take keeps when its my primetime to play is gone down the drain when I log on the next morning to find everything has been taken back. Should I be complaining here about nightcapping when I'm asleep?

I don't because I know I cannot be on 24/7 and as a megaserver that doesn't shut down when you want it you've gotta deal with the fact that people like me that don't live in Northern Hemisphere have no option but to play on the NA or EU servers and as such we pvp at different times. This isn't going to change so learn to accept it.

I do agree however that if ZOS did make some changes to things it would make a difference, but what exactly those changes could be I do not know. But locking out Oceanic players from your precious campaign while you're in bed is NOT FAIR and I completely disagree with.

What work did you put in exactly? The front door say something mean?

This isn't directed at Oceanic players this is directed at CERTAIN AD Oceanic players who flood a server to make sure the entire map is yellow and they can win. THE SAME AD who take the map before maintenence to ensure free ticks at FULL Points. No class with garbage like this.

No one is saying don't take things but pop lock it at 5 am when everyone else 1 bar then claim you worked for something is where a line must be drawn.

Zintair wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

This entire thread just makes it seem like other Oceanic players like myself should give up pvp entirely so that your precious map stays perfectly in tact as you left it when you logged off.

All this night capping ***. You do realise I can say exactly the same thing about NA primetime. All the work I put into helping take keeps when its my primetime to play is gone down the drain when I log on the next morning to find everything has been taken back. Should I be complaining here about nightcapping when I'm asleep?

I don't because I know I cannot be on 24/7 and as a megaserver that doesn't shut down when you want it you've gotta deal with the fact that people like me that don't live in Northern Hemisphere have no option but to play on the NA or EU servers and as such we pvp at different times. This isn't going to change so learn to accept it.

I do agree however that if ZOS did make some changes to things it would make a difference, but what exactly those changes could be I do not know. But locking out Oceanic players from your precious campaign while you're in bed is NOT FAIR and I completely disagree with.

What work did you put in exactly? The front door say something mean?

This isn't directed at Oceanic players this is directed at CERTAIN AD Oceanic players who flood a server to make sure the entire map is yellow and they can win. THE SAME AD who take the map before maintenence to ensure free ticks at FULL Points. No class with garbage like this.

No one is saying don't take things but pop lock it at 5 am when everyone else 1 bar then claim you worked for something is where a line must be drawn.

Exactly.

If the overpopulated faction in question was looking for a serious, strong challenge, they would split up. Yes, I understand you want to play with your mates, but something's gotta give.

Either the game will give, and you'll never have another fight again, or the Aussies have to split themselves between EP and DC so that they can play against each other.

This is healthier for the game, gives them something to do beyond PvDoor, and helps them improve their skills and capabilities as players by having someone to fight on equal footing, instead of a smattering of insomniac NA players who are on the verge of exhaustion just trying to cling to a scroll temple (speaking as someone who's done this more than once).

The victor is always the one who exploits the most and capitalizes on loopholes, like real life. Which sux because thsi is a fantasy game meant to take you away from all that jive ***.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

If the overpopulated faction in question was looking for a serious, strong challenge, they would split up. Yes, I understand you want to play with your mates, but something's gotta give.

Either the game will give, and you'll never have another fight again, or the Aussies have to split themselves between EP and DC so that they can play against each other.

This is healthier for the game, gives them something to do beyond PvDoor, and helps them improve their skills and capabilities as players by having someone to fight on equal footing, instead of a smattering of insomniac NA players who are on the verge of exhaustion just trying to cling to a scroll temple (speaking as someone who's done this more than once).

Exactly.

Thechemicals wrote: »

The victor is always the one who exploits the most and capitalizes on loopholes, like real life. Which sux because thsi is a fantasy game meant to take you away from all that jive ***.

Also, and unfortunately, true.

Valymer wrote: »

This times 1000...who cares about the outcome of the campaign? Just get in there and kill some people and try not to die. That is the fun of it, not worrying about some lame rewards that will just end up getting vendored/deconned anyway

But we are prevented from doing this by the PvP system which is allowing the utter domination of one faction for a variety of reasons. I play on Haderus EU because I chose Haderus when these campaigns opened. I haven't left, but lots of others have and now there is no getting in there and killing because of the now inherent imbalance.

There are lots of reasons for this, but do you think the original topic suggestion would help, hinder or do nothing?

Muizer wrote: »

Indeed.......this discussion again. What I would like to know, just out of curiosity, is how this whole situation arose. I mean, you really cannot blame ZoS for not anticipating that in some parts of the world one alliance would be heavily favoured over the others to the point that this issue could arise. I hear our antipodal friends are blamed for rolling AD en masse. Is that actually true? And if so, how the #3!! did that happen? Was there a conference or something? Do people get ostracized in RL if they're found out to be playing the wrong side? Is it the hole in the Ozone layer? This is not intended as an accusation or putting pressure on people to re-roll. I just would like to know what's caused this mess in the first place.

A large number of the Alpha/Beta guilds all chose one faction. That did not help.

A large number of the streamers that streamed to Twitch, Livestream, et al (Angry Joe being a primary example) all oversold how much awesomer the AD experience was and organize Stream Watchers guilds that all got everyone playing on the AD side of the ball.

And the majority (not all, but most) of the Aussies all collectively organized into the same faction.

There was a bugged quest zone (Crow's Wood) which would yield massive amounts of Veteran XP for DC and AD players, leaving EP woefully behind as it is a low level (sub level 10) area for us being in Stonefalls. A lot of our EP bretheren got frustrated by being outleveled by BOTH other factions and rerolled, reducing EP's numbers considerably.

Rerolls and success brings bandwagoners. Everyone saw how well AD was doing on Auriel's Bow (the first big high pop campaign before Wabbajack took off) and rerolled.

This lead to our current situation.

milthalas wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

This isn't directed at Oceanic players this is directed at CERTAIN AD Oceanic players who flood a server to make sure the entire map is yellow and they can win. THE SAME AD who take the map before maintenence to ensure free ticks at FULL Points. No class with garbage like this.

No one is saying don't take things but pop lock it at 5 am when everyone else 1 bar then claim you worked for something is where a line must be drawn.

So... pop lock each alliance when it equals the sum of the other two alliances' pop? Or maybe even 75% of the other two alliances' pop.

100 AD, 25 DC, 75 EP, for instance. AD locked since it equals sum of the others.

or

75 AD, 40 DC, 60 EP... AD locked when it is 75% of the sum of the others.

Something of this nature would be decent. I don't want people to not be able to play together but if there was a system to spread it out a bit at odd hours it would be a move in the right direction IMO.

Something of a deterrent is needed.

BTW this isn't the first game this "stacking" of the most populated faction or server has happened before for those who didn't play GW2.

By all means play together on the same realm. But you picked AD the easily most populated one at launch?

And you wanted competition....?

Muizer wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Indeed.......this discussion again. What I would like to know, just out of curiosity, is how this whole situation arose. I mean, you really cannot blame ZoS for not anticipating that in some parts of the world one alliance would be heavily favoured over the others to the point that this issue could arise. I hear our antipodal friends are blamed for rolling AD en masse. Is that actually true? And if so, how the #3!! did that happen? Was there a conference or something? Do people get ostracized in RL if they're found out to be playing the wrong side? Is it the hole in the Ozone layer? This is not intended as an accusation or putting pressure on people to re-roll. I just would like to know what's caused this mess in the first place.

A large number of the Alpha/Beta guilds all chose one faction. That did not help.

A large number of the streamers that streamed to Twitch, Livestream, et al (Angry Joe being a primary example) all oversold how much awesomer the AD experience was and organize Stream Watchers guilds that all got everyone playing on the AD side of the ball.

And the majority (not all, but most) of the Aussies all collectively organized into the same faction.

There was a bugged quest zone (Crow's Wood) which would yield massive amounts of Veteran XP for DC and AD players, leaving EP woefully behind as it is a low level (sub level 10) area for us being in Stonefalls. A lot of our EP bretheren got frustrated by being outleveled by BOTH other factions and rerolled, reducing EP's numbers considerably.

Rerolls and success brings bandwagoners. Everyone saw how well AD was doing on Auriel's Bow (the first big high pop campaign before Wabbajack took off) and rerolled.

This lead to our current situation.

At the start, ESO is largely a solo PvE game, and you wouldn't expect choice of alliance to be influenced by something that only really starts to matter much later in the game (PvP, group content). So this implies that oceanic players who started out as EP or DC either re-rolled to AD or simply gave up on it alltogether rather than face unfavourable odds. At the risk of generalising, Aussies are about the last people I'd expect to behave like that.

Most of the Aussies that started EP/DC stayed EP/DC.

The Aussies we have are some of the nicest, funniest, most down to earth folks in our Alliance and in our guild. We love having them, and wish there were more that were EP.

When I'm referring to the ones who rerolled after having a tough time with leveling, it was an across the board spectrum of folks. Majority of which were NA, as that's the majority of players.