Jacques Berge wrote: »

Vampires are powerful, yes they should be. Could devouring swarm use a bit of a nerf? Maybe, popping an ultimate shouldn't make you invincible while simultaneously making you a killing machine.

However, vampires are weak against fire, which is the single most common damage type other than physical weapon attacks. Every player has access to the fighters guild, which, not only gives passives to damage, but also provides skills that a deadly as hell against vamps. Camouflaged hunter is the only way to get killed with 1 hit in pvp.

This post is niether for or against. Vamps!!! We're plenty powerful. Devouring swarm was a bit much. Non vamps... L2P, there's skills that everyone has access to that are specifically designed to kill vamps. Also, clouding swarm is an ultimate, Magelight is not, that is why it doesn't reveal, use AoEs or block.

You are far from invincible during this phase. See a bat swarmer? Tell your raid to single target him down, he'll die in seconds.

Vampirism was definitely worth it a few months ago (not talking about the Batswarm exploit as I never participated in that nor would I). However, it seems to have been nothing but a downward spiral with negatives in tact and always working properly. That's when I had some discussions with friends who were Vampires as well on their mains and decided we'd cure it and see how it went. It turns out, I went from already doing well in PVP to doing amazingly well --- especially considering I don't have 12 hours a day to play it like some do however you'd never know it from how I perform. My friends experienced very similar outcomes.

I've yet to hear of someone curing Vampirism and doing worse in Cyrodiil. I would like to see it be a viable option along with being a Werewolf (which they are working on but I feel it will be some time before it's truly a good choice other than for RP or simply the "want" to be one). However currently, I just can't find reasoning that it is. The ultimate alone simply isn't worth it especially since as time goes on more and more people will learn how to counter it (although some seem to never be able to figure it out which is baffling LOL).

Also to Wreuntzylla, it's not about stacking as much DPS as possible in Cyrodiil. Survivability is extremely important hence the success of DKs and Templars of all skill levels in Cyrodiil. Sure those of us who excel at NB and Sorc can do well in Cyrodiil, but those who are not as seasoned will have a much harder time in comparison to those of a similar skill level that choose DK/Templar. This is not about balancing actual skills but how people seem to use an approach as you suggest... just run in and DPS your butt off, hoping for the best. No... just no. As a NB and even a Sorc, you need to be tactical as well since your survivability is really a temporary escape as you regen and re-enter battle as opposed to it being available while you DPS.

I'll take my NB's single target damage as my fav any day and my Sorc's AOE damage any day, but survivability is extremely important in Cyrodiil, Trials, DSA, etc.. DPS wiping doesn't do anyone good other than the enemy. Strategize!!!!

NERF VAMPIRES!!!

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WraithAzraiel wrote: »

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ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

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WraithAzraiel wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

They should just give all you whiny vampires your own server and give you all god mode and infinite damage.

Awww you're cute, should they then give all the terribads that can't be bothered to move out of something that kills you a server with helmets and waterwings handed out at the doors?

"Vamp fanboys try too hard" button needed.

What're you going to say next? Something you perceive as clever about Twilight? Come on, I know you're just itching to bring it up, it's ok.

After 1.5

Vamps can go in daylight - check
Vamps will be melancholic - check (tears from nerf)
Vamps will glow sparkly - check (Evil Hunter)

Might as well name your character after a twilight character.

Jokes aside... you guys need to stop the denial.
No amount of "L2P" or "that's what dodge roll is for" can excuse how easy it is to kill other players as a vamp. The problems. Is the DPS and HPS output put I to one skill with an Ult cost below 120.....it is a no brainer. I could show my 6 yr old how to press 'R' after a few spams of 1,2,3 and he could kill seasoned alliance war vets.

The nerf was necessary.

Abuse something and it will be removed. Welcome to mmorpg balance

Hey did you miss the part where Vampire wasn't the problem but the tool used by insanely broken amounts of Ultimate generation allowing for the almost spammable Devouring Swarms?

For instance the Streak Elemental Ring spam Streak Devouring Swarm, rinse repeat combination used by Sorcs. Or the Talon spam, Elemental ring spam, green dragon blood, Devouring Swarm, rinse repeat done by DK's.


When's the last time you saw a nightblade or another class that wasn't a Sorc or DK spamming impulse in the middle of a crowd and then firing off Devouring Swarm.


So if you ask me, while yes, devouring swarm is the common denominator here, that doesn't make it the problem.

The fact that anyone can gain enough ultimate by facerolling 1 - 3 buttons is the problem.

Hence why they're addressing it with this: From the Day 2 Notes of the Guild Summit

Ultimates

Changes to Ultimate abilities and the way that Ultimate generation works are also coming soon to reconcile the difference between fast-ticking DoT stacking builds and slow attacking tanks to even out the rate at which different build types generate Ultimate resource.

Reduce variation in Ultimate generation between builds
Ultimates will scale off your highest stat and critical strike chance
Abilities and Morphs

Still think Vampire is the problem or are you just hating to hate?

TL:DR: Broken Ultimate Generation = Problem, Vampire =/= Problem. Read above for clarification.

Clearly you've not seen what a caster Nightblade can do with Batswarm and Sap Essence.

In a skirt with a stick right?

Cuuuuuz if that's the case you just proved my point.

How did i prove your point?

your original point was when was the last time I seen a nightblade or another class that wasn't a sorc/dk spamming impusle ect ect and firing off Devouring Swarm...

I pointed out its fairly common to see a Nightblade doing exactly that with Sap Essence and Batswarm..

The fact that its a caster nightblade means nothing..Its still a nightblade and it had nothing to do with the original argument you made.

Once they fix the predicament of skirt+stick>all, they'll have fixed the spammability of Bat Swarm and every other Ultimate for that matter.

That was my point.

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Once they fix the predicament of skirt+stick>all, they'll have fixed the spammability of Bat Swarm and every other Ultimate for that matter.

That was my point.

Pretty much.

Sarenia wrote: »

I wish people would learn to disambiguate "balanced", "fixed", "removed", and other terms away from the generic "nerf'd", which is all-encompassing, typically misleading, and tends to lead to a lot of FUD.

To my understanding, "nerfed" means to needlessly downgrade a skill or ability. I am NOT at all sure what "FUD" means.

Would of been a simple fix if,
Batswarm gets canceled if Caster Moves
Same damage and everything else, you just have to be stationary
Good for PvE and Good for PvP.

What I hate is that Feeding has to be positional, it sucks trying to hit" X" in pvp with all that lag