Shadow Cloak Spamming must STOP

DDuke · October 2014

Well done OP...

Braidas · October 2014

DDuke wrote: »

Well done OP...

no i think he's rlly just po'd bout nb's

MiyaTheUnbroken · October 2014

FluffiestOne wrote: »

I've noticed some Nightblades can escape from my Dk, My Templar, and My Sorc just by spamming this spell. I think it's because the morph that removes debuffs, so it's harder to keep them rooted or snared?

In my experience, it's a combination of the dot removing morph, immovable, retreating maneuver, mist form, some well-timed dodges, and a *** ton of praying. I have escaped your characters more than once. I've also died to them more than once, but let's not talk about that.

aco5712 · October 2014

NB is most definetly not the weakest pvp class. Highest burst out of stealth, very difficult casters to kill because of fear and their dmg and my personal favourite, the sap tank. NB is one of the harder classes to play because it actually requires some time to learn it and shouldnt be called the weakest because so many of you dont know how to play it properly.

As for the original topic, dark cloak is extremely unreliable still, but its much better. Like mentioned above, use a detect pot, use magelight or use aoe. It will pop us out.

Asgari · October 2014

Huntler wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Braidas wrote: »

Funny cause I find NB's to be pretty good solo but prob the weakest class in group (well maybe not weakest perse, but the least useful). Not that they can't be great, and I love having NB's for veils, extra heals, and I feel diversity in general makes the group stronger, but negate's essential, dk's are essential, and heals are obv essential; I've never heard anyone complain that we don't have enough NB's lol.

People just want me for my negate? =(
I feel cheated.

basically...sorry.... do you feel used?

I sure do when im on my Sorc. Im only ever asked for negates lol

Cody · October 2014

there are also players that do nothing but hold up block and spam flame whip and whatever other abilities. that's a far bigger problem than this "shadow cloak spam" you seem to dislike.

you cant spam shadow cloak. you just cant, if you are fighting someone, you wont be spamming it. it will break because its bugged all to h***, and it eats up your magic. stop playing your VR14 sword and shield flame whip spamming OP DK and try out the NB for a change. you will see.

Cody · October 2014

supernico wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

"VR14 DragonKnight" ok...

Thank you for your constructive participation.

oren74 wrote: »

Yes, nerf the weaknest pvp class in game.

Sure, then go ahead and make it so blocking doesn't work in a 360 degree arc.

NB is the most powerful class in the game right now.

Columba wrote: »

If you can't beat a NB on a DK, perhaps this isn't the game for you.

It doesn't matter either I, as a DK, can beat or not a Nightblade. We are discussing the Shadow Cloak skill regardless the other classes.

NB is the most powerful class in the game right now..... you really think that?

....... you thinking that is a sign of your inexperience with the game.

I despise saying this... but you need to L2P

you are playing the most powerful class in the game, VR14, and you are complaining about NBs?? are you serious?? do you have ANY idea how weak the class is compared to DKs and sorcerers, and heck, maybe even Templars!!! Templars can at least spam blazing shield and be a pain in the (snip); what can NBs do?

I cant wait for all the classes to be on par, then you will be doing ALOT of complaining.

Xeniph · October 2014

I actually think NB's are in a really good spot atm. The issue most folks have with the class, from my experience, come from their ignorance of game mechanics.
I don't say this to be rude, simply stating there are too many people who try to play the class like a classic RPG "rogue", but fail to understand how to make it work.

Hell, look at Sypher's vids on his NB, and I am quite happy with my NB's performance.

As for shadow cloak, I kinda agree with Nicko. It is an amazing skill, that I use to outstanding effect, multiple times a day, to get away.

However, I will equate Cloak to Hardened Ward, Blazing and Igneous Shield. They are actually cheaper to cast, like geared than Cloak and most certainly prevent more damage due to them not being negated in any way. Never the less, I believe the comparison is fair.

The only gripe about the skill I have is magelight, I get that it can see through stealth, but to render a class skill moot, without having to morph it and have to choose a downside, kinda bothers me. That said, magelight, once understood it quite easy to get away from.

Ps. I believe I am one of the main reasons this player is complaining. I have personally dropped him from his horse numerous times. I'm sorry that this play style bothers you Nicko, but I find it fun.

Edit: I do hear you Nicko. I have/do play the way you described, stamina speced ganker. I do not disagree with you simply because I play a NB, as I also have a DK and Sorc I play. And all of these classes have some sort of gimmick they can employ, be it Shields, Bolt Escape, Cloak or Reflect repeatedly or until magicka is depleted.

TagaParti · October 2014

i play DK, i dont care about whos strongest class, i only care about crafting! ^^ too much fun to make easily an item that worths too much for everyone.. lol full legendary gears? a penny only, dont care about NB whos strong on pvp..

Rylana · October 2014

This thread made me lol

Mojomonkeyman · October 2014

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.

kewl · October 2014

Instead of ragging about getting whipped by a NB, ask for advice on how to counter.

Columba · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.

lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.

Blooddancer · October 2014

Some people need to get some therapy, the rage levels are off the scale.

All classes are "good" in the right hands( 'cept maybe Templars, no offence intended :'( ), even at the worst of times for NBs there were plenty of folks managing just fine.

Raging about a class be OP just because you got frustrated or haven't figured it out does nothing other than make people rage against the QQ.

Now, let that be the end of it, I don't to hear any more whining out of you and your friends for the rest of the day or there will be no ketchup with your dinner this evening.

Grim13 · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.

lol

just...

lol

Grim13 · October 2014

OP, if I had 1 dollar for every time cloak failing directly resulted in my pvp demise... I could buy you a new mmo game to play... and pay the sub fee for life.

Soulac · October 2014

NBs are fine, DKs are fine, Sorcs are fine, Temps are fine.
The damn Weapon swap is not fine!

The Nb use cloak? Use an AoE or Mage light.
The most good Players hitting me out of cloak every time, and so if you can't do it, learn it.

NBs can be rly tanky and they can be rly offensive or do both..

If you saw my video u will see that I'm able to tank as much as a Dk in open field and little rooms.

But they're not the strongest.. I would put them between DKs and Sorcs but not on the top.

Zubba · October 2014

Supernico - VR14 DragonKnight - Daggerfall Covenant - Former Emperor of NA Thornblade v2.0

Sharee · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

I would love to get the same treatment. That means in addition to the above,

- the ability always does what the tooltip says. That means using cloak makes you invisible for 2.9 second, everytime, with 100% reliability. Just like bolt escape works everytime. No longer will you cloak for the full magicka cost, only to reappear 0.2 seconds later.

- there is no way to negate the cloak, like detection potions or magelight, just like there is no potion or passive ability that would make bolt escape not work.

Alternatively, they could give bolt escape the same treatment cloak gets:

You can bolt all you want, with no increased cost, but your BE will not work within 12m of someone with active magelight, or within 26m of someone who drank an anti-teleport potion for 10 seconds. (It will, however, eat it's full magicka cost anyway) Deal?

Lava_Croft · October 2014

Columba wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.

lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.

Actually he is a pretty good player and actually I can spam Dark Cloak near infinitely thanks to Seducer, Warlock and good potions. Of course, I need to be able to spam it near-infinitely because the skill has been in various stages borkedness since forever.

Kypho · October 2014

supernico wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?

CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!

Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.

Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.

Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.

P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!

i completly agree with you. stop cloak to be spammable. Make it combat breaker, make it to put NB in stealth, make it unbreakable.

Make a thread about blazing shield spamming, make about streak spamming stunlock, make about curse is unblockable, unremovable. Make thread about warlock set opness, about lightarmor opness, about spell penetration bug.

"There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK."

why? why are ppl spammnig aoe, spamming shields, spamming heals, spamming streak, spamming whip?
Why NB spamming cloak to get away? because 1 on 1 without that NB is a weak crap if not using cookie cutter build. but those builds doesnt have cloak.

"Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes."

What are you? OPlar or a DK? you are weak whatever if you think NB has more survivability. If you sorc? Streak streak curse streak repeat.

Kypho · October 2014

supernico wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?

CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!

Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.

Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.

Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.

P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!

i completly agree with you. stop cloak to be spammable. Make it combat breaker, make it to put NB in stealth, make it unbreakable.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree to OP. Chain spamming 20x cloak is in no way different to doing it with BE, give it the same treatment. Doubled temporary cost after intial use.

NBs are at the moment the most powerful class in the game. Keep on denying what good players knew for a while.

lol you are just bad. we can't chain spam cloak 20x. learn to play.

Actually he is a pretty good player and actually I can spam Dark Cloak near infinitely thanks to Seducer, Warlock and good potions. Of course, I need to be able to spam it near-infinitely because the skill has been in various stages borkedness since forever.

What is the real problem now? Your cookie cutter build because your set... Thx ZoS they are unable to fix those builds, its not about cloak. LA and Warlock is the biggest problem. About spamming more than 4 times? Have you seen blazing spammers, heal spammers, whip spammers, pulse spammers etc? What will ppl say next? NB have more survivability without cloak than any other class?????? what idiots playing this game? All have better... even sorc streak is better than lame cloak, and spammable.

Kypho · October 2014

Zubba wrote: »

Supernico - VR14 DragonKnight - Daggerfall Covenant - Former Emperor of NA Thornblade v2.0

Seems worst DK ever in game, but decent AP farmer. Just a bad dk losing against ganker NB. Because that lameDK lets his guard down. But then not only NB can kill him. Most decent NB doesnt even need cloak to kill such lameDK who cant use his OP class.
QQ from a reflecting, tank+dps, whipspammer class with decent survivability skills, what makes em kill 4 ppl alone if used right, sounds pretty bad.

You Super(lol)nico, would be destroyed by a friend of mine, who doesnt even using cloak at all... not even bow.

Kypho · October 2014

kewl wrote: »

Instead of ragging about getting whipped by a NB, ask for advice on how to counter.

like prebuffing your OPDK?

supernico wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

"VR14 DragonKnight" ok...

Thank you for your constructive participation.

oren74 wrote: »

Yes, nerf the weaknest pvp class in game.

Sure, then go ahead and make it so blocking doesn't work in a 360 degree arc.

NB is the most powerful class in the game right now.

Columba wrote: »

If you can't beat a NB on a DK, perhaps this isn't the game for you.

It doesn't matter either I, as a DK, can beat or not a Nightblade. We are discussing the Shadow Cloak skill regardless the other classes.

Discuss your DK's skills and compare whole class with others you joke. DK and OPlar is the best classes and you QQ because you cant play easymode?

Even if cloak could be used only once, it would still make you QQ. As bugged it is, you NEED to spam it. If you fart with your DK, cloak is off... so simple. Better have fun with your OP DK than coming and crying about such bugged crap.

About NB in PvP.... cookie cutter pijama blades are good. no cookie cutter are the weakest in pvp whatever you say. but a cookie cutter DK or templar is far more better than NB. DK can solo 20 ppl, templar similar. NB around 3-5 if they are not so good.

Lava_Croft · October 2014

Kypho wrote: »

What is the real problem now? Your cookie cutter build because your set... Thx ZoS they are unable to fix those builds, its not about cloak. LA and Warlock is the biggest problem. About spamming more than 4 times? Have you seen blazing spammers, heal spammers, whip spammers, pulse spammers etc? What will ppl say next? NB have more survivability without cloak than any other class?????? what idiots playing this game? All have better... even sorc streak is better than lame cloak, and spammable.

I run a dual restoration staff NB healer. Those aren't exactly cookie cutter in Cyrodiil.

You can cry all you want, but if you don't like the spamming of skills, maybe you should not play a game without any real kind of cooldown on skill usage.

[EDIT] I want to add that I think it's great there are finally thread(s) about OP Nightblade stuff. I can't wait for threads about other Nightblade stuff that needs nerfing!

krim · October 2014

who the hell uses shadow cloak.

Junipus · October 2014

Any good NB with a magicka build.

Spec for stamina and your magicka will disappear as quickly as your stamina.

I'm using the morph without removing DoT and when it works can spam it long enough to let my stamina regen and then stealth away.

Tbh, if you're having problems with it not working then you're bringing the wrong skills to the wrong situations.

Cloaks should be used for 1v1 where you can use fear/magnum shot to give distance between you two before popping cloak and stealthing away.

In groups using cloak is pretty much useless, especially in large scale encounters where you should have an ability slotted to keep you alive or do damage, leaving healing to the healers and relying on strength in numbers.

Erock25 · October 2014

Some facts that are in no way my opinion.

- DK is currently the most powerful class overall
- A sorc that is devoted to always surviving (and has a bit of situational awareness) will always survive.
- It seems for whatever reason some of the worst avid and vocal pvp players decided to all roll NB. I think it has something to do with the idea that stealth makes it easier for them.
- I've never really feared a Templar and think the upcoming Harness Magicka nerf will hit them the hardest.

Braidas · October 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems for whatever reason some of the worst avid and vocal pvp players decided to all roll NB. I think it has something to do with the idea that stealth makes it easier for them.

aha seems tht way

Erock25 wrote: »

I've never really feared a Templar and think the upcoming Harness Magicka nerf will hit them the hardest.

Def not, hittin sorcs the hardest.

Maulkin · October 2014

Braidas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I've never really feared a Templar and think the upcoming Harness Magicka nerf will hit them the hardest.

Def not, hittin sorcs the hardest.

Well it hits Temps as well but it hist Sorcs the hardest I agree. Temps are affected in duels, where spamming Blazing Shield against one player gets you knowhere.

Sorcs on the other hand relied on Harness both in duels and open world PvP. It kinda mitigated some of the increasing cost of Bolt Escape and offered some decent of extra protection to a class that lacks decent heals in PvP.