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Shadow Cloak Spamming must STOP
supernico
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@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?
CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!
Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.
Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.
Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.
P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!
Edited by supernico on October 16, 2014 7:31PM What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?
CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!
Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.
Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.
Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.
P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!
Supernico - VR14 DragonKnight - Daggerfall Covenant - Former Emperor
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol. Trying moving a meaningful distance in the time you can remain invisible, try it. I dare you. I have zero problem killing NBs who attempt to stealth away. ZERO. learn to play.10 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nerf the weaknest pvp class in game.
Sure, then go ahead and make it so blocking doesn't work in a 360 degree arc.
Reften
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Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't even use shadow cloak because of how unreliable that skill is.
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supernico✭✭✭"VR14 DragonKnight" ok...
Thank you for your constructive participation.Yes, nerf the weaknest pvp class in game.
Sure, then go ahead and make it so blocking doesn't work in a 360 degree arc.
NB is the most powerful class in the game right now.If you can't beat a NB on a DK, perhaps this isn't the game for you.
It doesn't matter either I, as a DK, can beat or not a Nightblade. We are discussing the Shadow Cloak skill regardless the other classes.
Supernico - VR14 DragonKnight - Daggerfall Covenant - Former EmperorMy name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.16 -
FluffiestOne✭✭✭✭I've noticed some Nightblades can escape from my Dk, My Templar, and My Sorc just by spamming this spell. I think it's because the morph that removes debuffs, so it's harder to keep them rooted or snared?Fluffy
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There's too many counters the cloak anyways.
If you notice they are about to make a run for it. Just spam any charge abilities you have and the NB will not be able to cloak.
AOEs.. Mages light.
If the NB is built to run away (sneak speed maxed out) then they sorta do deserve the opportunity to run away for the sacrifice and investment they made towards running away.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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Itse90210✭✭@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What led you to design Shadow Cloak differently than Mist Form? What I mean by that is why one can SPAM shadow cloak and stay invisible THE WHOLE TIME untill out of magika and by that time be too far away to even consider going after the said NB?
CHANGE SHADOW CLOAK MECHANIC TO BE POSSIBLE TO RECAST ONLY IF THE ANTERIOR FULLY ENDED!
Wich means become visible in between recast. You might think this will weaken Nightblades, but that is not true, as a matter of fact a Nightblade would become equally in survivability as other classes.
Why I am making this thread. There are some people who chose to devote their play time to either gank people or picking up random people while sieging or whatever other circumstances. In either case the victim is dead 80% of the time, 10% of the times the NB dies if the target blocks in time, while in the other 10% the NB simply leaves the battlefield by SPAMMING SHADOW CLOAK.
Whoever is against this change is a Nightblade.
P.S. IN A SECOND IM GONNA OPEN A THREAD ABOUT LETHAL ARROW SNIPERS!
ok, so give some like reflect all attack with absorb and heal to my class, and smthng about 50% of bonus dmg to half of cyridiil, why DK and TEMP have fire class dmg abilities that hurt vampires for 50% more and NB and Sorcs dont have those, i want 50% more dmg to non-vampires than, with my dark spells, at least it would be fair.
The only defensive ability that NB have is shadow cloak, it's always broken and to much expensive and you want to nerf it, really? Why u not want to nerf reflecting scales which is 1 button win against any archer or noob-casters, ONE DAMN button, you even dont need to hold block. If you're suffer from ganking it's only means that you're noob, everyone travel with shields, or absorb set or 3.5-4k hp, or in stealth. You do that or risk your life and thatn goes on forum to cry about snipe and shadow cloak, try to play NB, try this damn OP skill, after your DK you just run in fear from this extremely non-surviable class.1 -
GreyPilgrim✭✭✭@OP You do realize that we are running away because if we stay close to you you will kill us pretty much instantly? Its an escape mechanism, that eats up a *** ton of magicka, so if we're running away from you that badly, we're not going to have anything left to attack you again for some time.
Also, you can segue from invis to regular stealth, so there's a good chance that the person is not, in fact, spamming cloak, they are just going invisible, then crouching and going into normal stealth. Which can also be done by just about anyone, any sorc can pop one or two streaks and then crouch and dissappear. As a DK, you could run away from battle, and crouch, and then sneak back into battle.
Its just that, for you, theres no point, because if you know what you're doing you can run around with a fair amount of impunity. I can't tell you how many DK's I have stealth attacked, from behind, and watched it do NOTHING because I executed right as they got up their block or reflect. And then I hit them with my best spells with my spell damage past softcap and wipe out my magicka reserve without even taking them below 3/4's health.
And then you're saying we shouldn't be able to get away, that we should just stand there and let you wail on us, or stealth, get 10 feet away, and then be exposed again?
This is pretty rare for me to say, but... learn to play. Ask some other DK's how they do it. And realize that just because one of us killed you once when you were already being wailed on by 5 other people doesn't mean I'm OP.Edited by GreyPilgrim on October 16, 2014 8:21PM12 -
phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭You are barking up the wrong tree. You are asking for a nerf to a skill that has been semi-functional (and that is being generous) since beta, through early access down to today. Cloak still does not function correctly.
Nearly everything breaks cloak, including lots of out own DOTs.
Detect potions break cloak, they should only break stealth, but they break cloak which only lasts 2.9 sec w/all related passives.
I hate seeing "learn to play" as if it was an argument (thats why it comes last). But, Good God, Man!! You are a Dragon Knight, yours is the most codled and overpowered class in the game. A Nightblade has one and only one chance of killing you. If that sneak attack fails because it can't crit with all that Impenatrable, or scales, or stacked shields; you'll shrug off whatever DOT's we can apply, heal through the damage and squash us. If our barely functional escape skill is a problem for you, learn to play!15 -
GreyPilgrim✭✭✭FluffiestOne wrote: »I've noticed some Nightblades can escape from my Dk, My Templar, and My Sorc just by spamming this spell. I think it's because the morph that removes debuffs, so it's harder to keep them rooted or snared?
There is no morph that removes debuffs. the dark cloak morphs removes DoT's, and since DoT's break stealth, this means they will actually get a full 3 sec's out of the cloak, instead of popping right back out again if theyre say burning, bleeding, poisoned, etc.(that is assuming you dont hit them with an AoE). if they are getting away from yer roots it's with CC breaks and roll dodges first, or maybe even purge or rapid maneuver, then going into stealth.
And, as I indicated in my other repsonse, you can segue from cloak to regular stealth, which then especially if you are a vamp and using concealed weapon will allow you to move quickly enough in stealth to put in some distance, without spamming.
Honestly, the only time I ever really spam cloak and stay invis is when I get detected by siege NPC's and have to run away, and even then they still can follow me while invis, they just wont shoot, and I really do have to burn my entire magicka bar to get far enough away for them to stop chasing me. And then I still can't stealth again, because siege NPC's basically block you from stealthing once they see you. Yeah, that's how OP my stealth is.
If I'm spamming cloak in real combat its because IT KEEPS BREAKING, because the players I attacked know how to close, and how to use AoE's. Seriously, it's invisibility, not invulnerability, and even with stealth speed boosts we're not moving that fast. You just have to poke around to find us, and even without a detect pot or magelight, I get caught as often as I get away.
All of this is a way of saying NO, IT DOESN'T NEED NERFING. Thanks.2 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This thread is a Dark Joke.
Hope so. Otherwise...
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phreatophile wrote: »You are barking up the wrong tree. You are asking for a nerf to a skill that has been semi-functional (and that is being generous) since beta, through early access down to today. Cloak still does not function correctly.
Nearly everything breaks cloak, including lots of out own DOTs.
Detect potions break cloak, they should only break stealth, but they break cloak which only lasts 2.9 sec w/all related passives.
I hate seeing "learn to play" as if it was an argument (thats why it comes last). But, Good God, Man!! You are a Dragon Knight, yours is the most codled and overpowered class in the game. A Nightblade has one and only one chance of killing you. If that sneak attack fails because it can't crit with all that Impenatrable, or scales, or stacked shields; you'll shrug off whatever DOT's we can apply, heal through the damage and squash us. If our barely functional escape skill is a problem for you, learn to play!
the post i quoted is bare bones truth on this subject. enough said.
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »
What if I reminded you that you don't get to only view your class in the bubble of 1v1, only someone with drastic tunnel vision thinks a NB is only a solo class
? You have to consider a class in all situations to adequately debate what classes are strongest. Each class varies in strength depending on the situation ranging from 1v1s to zerg v zerg (and everything in between). Just because you or the OP only plays one form does not mean you get to claim that in your bubble "NBs are the weakest class." So if anything, I think you are the one that does not have a good idea on how classes perform because someone who does would understand all aspects of that class and not pigeonhole it into one dynamic.
So no, NBs are not the weakest PvP class when you take all factors into account, they are quite a capable class.
I'm out
Edited by Huntler on October 16, 2014 9:04PM9 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭So why do sorcs get to spam BE?
Yes , some classes got annoying skills , but it would be better if spellcrafting just had similar skills that everyone could use.
IF everyone is special , nobody is special."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »
Yes, recently however no. But there are many strong NBs I play with. You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think NBs are the weakest PvP class. Stop it with your 1v1 only mindset (and even then they are quite good). But its alright, I don't blame you for pushing the conversation away from why you only asked me earlier about 1v1s... makes sense.
edit: and lets not play the whole, oh you're not a nightblade so you don't know silly game.Edited by Huntler on October 16, 2014 9:40PM5 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭SWEET!!!
And thus, it begins!!
Having played Nightblade since MOST of our abilities were broken, I will REVEL in any DK whining about anything NB related.
@supernico
We're not called DAYblades.
If you rolled DK for fotm, I see why you're mad.
If you have always been DK, you are likely just experiencing growing pains. When every other class had to mature through months passed, DKs are only beginning to feel the sting of what it was like for some of us early on. Remember - NBs in the beginning had all these abilities... most were just broken. Sorcs have been whittled down and down and down until they became the dull pencils they are now. The only class that I pity is Templars. Sure, they can survive a ton but it takes a really good one to kill well in Cyrodiil.
You think Cloak is a frustrating mechanic? I'm guessing you didn't complain at all when you could stack a hot from talons and heal from gdb & whip eh?
It should be a natural law (like... say... gravity) that one MUST have experience with a tactic / ability / build / class before one is allowed to complain about it.
Did you post repeatedly to have Sorc bolt nerfed? Just curious...
Roll a Nightblade and run solo, small groups, and zergs at least until Veteran then come back and try to erase your post.
NBs are not weak. We are not yet top of the food chain, but I do agree we are headed there. We are definitely strong.
Nico, your problem is not the nightblade ability, I'm afraid. It's your understanding of our class and the mechanics that have you so angry.
Tell you what, @supernico
I'll let go of my cloak if you'll get rid of the DK synergies between Flame Lash, Talons, GDB, Draw Essence, and Standard.
What's that? You say the ability to survive amazing amounts of damage while regenerating your resource pools and dealing damage are what make a DK special?
Yes... see... back to my comment earlier. The NIGHTblade is a class that is intended to sneak in, sneak out, and to kill one... target. Here... I didn't look it up but I'd trust this guy.The Elder Scrolls series defines a Nightblade as follows:
"Nightblades are spell casters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.
Specialization: Magic
Major Skills: One-handed, Light Armor, Illusion, Destruction, Restoration, Sneak
Secondary Skills: Acrobatics (less fall damage, stamina regenerates faster).
Class Ability: Shadowmaster (All Illusion spells cost 25% less Magicka)."
1. As you see, the first sentence says "Nightblades are spell casters who use their magics to enhance mobility..."Edited by Kungfu on October 16, 2014 9:56PM9 -
Ifthir_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, recently however no. But there are many strong NBs I play with. You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think NBs are the weakest PvP class. Stop it with your 1v1 only mindset (and even then they are quite good). But its alright, I don't blame you for pushing the conversation away from why you only asked me earlier about 1v1s... makes sense.
edit: and lets not play the whole, oh you're not a nightblade so you don't know silly game.
Guess we just agree to disagree. Maybe its the fact that I play a NB, mostly solo, and you play not a NB, and really never solo, that gives us differing perspectives.
Very very few players here have the luxury you do, of playing with 3-6 extremely skilled other players every day.1 -
Braidas✭✭✭✭✭Funny cause I find NB's to be pretty good solo but prob the weakest class in group (well maybe not weakest perse, but the least useful). Not that they can't be great, and I love having NB's for veils, extra heals, and I feel diversity in general makes the group stronger, but negate's essential, dk's are essential, and heals are obv essential; I've never heard anyone complain that we don't have enough NB's lol.4
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Leovolao✭✭✭✭✭Funny cause I find NB's to be pretty good solo but prob the weakest class in group (well maybe not weakest perse, but the least useful). Not that they can't be great, and I love having NB's for veils, extra heals, and I feel diversity in general makes the group stronger, but negate's essential, dk's are essential, and heals are obv essential; I've never heard anyone complain that we don't have enough NB's lol.
People just want me for my negate? =(
I feel cheated.tea pot
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Funny cause I find NB's to be pretty good solo but prob the weakest class in group (well maybe not weakest perse, but the least useful). Not that they can't be great, and I love having NB's for veils, extra heals, and I feel diversity in general makes the group stronger, but negate's essential, dk's are essential, and heals are obv essential; I've never heard anyone complain that we don't have enough NB's lol.
People just want me for my negate? =(
I feel cheated.
basically...sorry.... do you feel used?
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