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To the people being upset over vampire nerfs
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reften✭✭✭✭✭Should be significant pros and cons to both.
For vamps, I think that is there. Seige weapons with fire (oil!) hurt bad. I think people underestimate the weakness here for vamps. And players who fight me rarely if ever use silver bolts.
It's a good mix right now. Batswarm nerf not neededEdited by reften on October 16, 2014 4:28PMReften
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So you don't want any non vamp or ww players in the game at all?
You would not feel special as a vamp if half the players were and the other half wolves.
It can't be more powerful than bad race, or it's no longer an option, it's required.
I'm guessing people who think like this, are not from multiplayer competative gaming backgrounds.
I never stated that i dont want non vamp/ww in game. What i said was they should be superior. You know... because they are SUPER-human, they are superior. They should also have major debuffs. It should be a hard choice to decide to be one or the other.
Your guess is only half right. Though im not a competitive person by nature, i do and have played many a multiplayer games. I play them for fun, not to compete. I don't PVP in this game because honestly, I read the forums before trying it and the PVP community turned me off to it immediately.It takes the pvp experience to bring these overpowerd skills to light. However it takes the pve crowd to whine about getting their "leet" skills nerfed.
PVE whines are only in response to the PVP whines... only difference is PVP gets heard and something happens and screws up the PVE experience. The most whining i see on the forums comes from complaints about Cyrodill. As if the entire game is all about that one zone. Its not. And its frustrating to those who aren't interested in it when their game is affected.
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✭ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »
PvP Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvE is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh.8 -
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✭And the age old PvE'ers vs PvP'ers battle begins anew.
Round 11320203458429921010aXGermanyPurpleFishwrinkle! FIGHT!Edited by WraithAzraiel on October 16, 2014 5:14PMShendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »
PvP Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvE is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh.
Hilarious.
"PvE Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvP is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh."
There "fixed".WraithAzraiel wrote: »And the age old PvE'ers vs PvP'ers battle begins anew.
Round 11320203458429921010aXGermanyPurpleFishwrinkle! FIGHT!
It is like the discussions about the paladins code of conduct and lawful stupid , they can never end , if there isnt atleast one going each week something is wrong."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Vamps are so removed from my view of this game. If people want to rp vamp that's cool.
Most people who dominate in PvP are dk/vamp or sorc/vamp. The stream of talons/bolt escape and then the inevitable devouring swarm makes it very one dimensional and op.
So hearing vamps complaining about nerfs is ironic, perhaps in 1.5. But we'll wait and see.
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If you can't enjoy the game without having god mode in pvp, then yes, perhaps you should do something else. Vamps are ruining pvp.The constant nerfs happening in this game are making it a joke. Perhaps it is time to take a long break once my days are up. See if they can come around and actually fix crap instead of breaking it more. My enjoyment level is greatly dwindling with a lot of their recent and upcoming changes.
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✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »And the age old PvE'ers vs PvP'ers battle begins anew.
It ended for a little bit??? Who knew?
There are bad apples all over. PVP just tends to concentrate them. UberLeet raids do too. Someday their frontal lobes will close.
Here we go with the next round of nerfs. Still think a better course would be a collection of "pain in the butt" features like daylight debuffs, KOS to guards at stage 4, etc, etc (everybody has heard it all before) to thin the herd a lot. We are one step closer to Vampires being an appearance set and a couple of debuffs without discernable benefit. Heck, next thing you know, they'll actually make us glow in PVP.2 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Vamps are so removed from my view of this game. If people want to rp vamp that's cool.
Most people who dominate in PvP are dk/vamp or sorc/vamp. The stream of talons/bolt escape and then the inevitable devouring swarm makes it very one dimensional and op.
So hearing vamps complaining about nerfs is ironic, perhaps in 1.5. But we'll wait and see.
Maybe , just maybe it is because not every vampire is a sorc/DK ...
Funny right , strong vampire = DK/sorc ...
But ofc it has nothing to do with the sorc or the DK nope , it is all on the vampire side :P.ExiledKhallisi wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »
PvP Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvE is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh.
Hilarious.
"PvE Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvP is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh."
There "fixed".WraithAzraiel wrote: »And the age old PvE'ers vs PvP'ers battle begins anew.
Round 11320203458429921010aXGermanyPurpleFishwrinkle! FIGHT!
It is like the discussions about the paladins code of conduct and lawful stupid , they can never end , if there isnt atleast one going each week something is wrong.
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Ok then , i wanna see her faceroll those arenas :P.
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✭✭ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »
PvP Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvE is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
Maybe , just maybe it is because not every vampire is a sorc/DK ...
Funny right , strong vampire = DK/sorc ...
But ofc it has nothing to do with the sorc or the DK nope , it is all on the vampire side :P.
Yes that's true, and I agree. Many people play Sorcs and DKS, and they're pretty powerful anyway if they're magicka based. Coupled with Devouring Swarm it's really not much fun.
But I definitely take your point.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
KingRebz✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
Damn she looks like a monkey...though she would still get it xDV14 Sorceror [Ebonheart]2 -
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If you can't enjoy the game without having god mode in pvp, then yes, perhaps you should do something else. Vamps are ruining pvp.The constant nerfs happening in this game are making it a joke. Perhaps it is time to take a long break once my days are up. See if they can come around and actually fix crap instead of breaking it more. My enjoyment level is greatly dwindling with a lot of their recent and upcoming changes.
With perma blocking at a 360 degree radius and DK flappy bird/talos spam at close seconds.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Vamps are so removed from my view of this game. If people want to rp vamp that's cool.
Most people who dominate in PvP are dk/vamp or sorc/vamp. The stream of talons/bolt escape and then the inevitable devouring swarm makes it very one dimensional and op.
So hearing vamps complaining about nerfs is ironic, perhaps in 1.5. But we'll wait and see.
Maybe , just maybe it is because not every vampire is a sorc/DK ...
Funny right , strong vampire = DK/sorc ...
But ofc it has nothing to do with the sorc or the DK nope , it is all on the vampire side :P.ExiledKhallisi wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »
PvP Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvE is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh.
Hilarious.
"PvE Balance is the only "balance" that matters. Who cares if PvP is effected a little bit? I know I don't. If it isn't game breaking it doesn't matter whether or not you have to heal a little more or cast a couple more spells to complete your goal. meh."
There "fixed".WraithAzraiel wrote: »And the age old PvE'ers vs PvP'ers battle begins anew.
Round 11320203458429921010aXGermanyPurpleFishwrinkle! FIGHT!
It is like the discussions about the paladins code of conduct and lawful stupid , they can never end , if there isnt atleast one going each week something is wrong.
[...]
Ok then , i wanna see her faceroll those arenas :P.
They are hard?
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If you can't enjoy the game without having god mode in pvp, then yes, perhaps you should do something else. Vamps are ruining pvp.The constant nerfs happening in this game are making it a joke. Perhaps it is time to take a long break once my days are up. See if they can come around and actually fix crap instead of breaking it more. My enjoyment level is greatly dwindling with a lot of their recent and upcoming changes.
With perma blocking at a 360 degree radius and DK flappy bird/talos spam at close seconds.>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »WW not like the vampire pretty much doesnt add issues , so that means it will be much easier for people to bash on it till zen nerfs it also.
Because no one in Cyrodil uses attacks that apply poison. I mean, we all know how utterly useless lethal arrow is...
Actually the bow is pretty much all over cyrodil... Almost all of its attacks are poison or can be morphed into poison. Say hello to lethal arrows.jelliedsoup wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
Maybe , just maybe it is because not every vampire is a sorc/DK ...
Funny right , strong vampire = DK/sorc ...
But ofc it has nothing to do with the sorc or the DK nope , it is all on the vampire side :P.
Yes that's true, and I agree. Many people play Sorcs and DKS, and they're pretty powerful anyway if they're magicka based. Coupled with Devouring Swarm it's really not much fun.
But I definitely take your point.
And then you take the ones that are stamina based and use melee weapons that aren't 1h/sh, which are weak anyways, and couple it with vampire and they actually stay weak. They just move faster in stealth now.0 -
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✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »
If you can't enjoy the game without having god mode in pvp, then yes, perhaps you should do something else. Vamps are ruining pvp.The constant nerfs happening in this game are making it a joke. Perhaps it is time to take a long break once my days are up. See if they can come around and actually fix crap instead of breaking it more. My enjoyment level is greatly dwindling with a lot of their recent and upcoming changes.
With perma blocking at a 360 degree radius and DK flappy bird/talos spam at close seconds.
How many times by how many different people do you need to be told that it's not 1 skill line's fault
It's the system that allows Perpetual Mana-Batteries with face-to-keyboard slam-spamming of 1-3 skills that generate RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF ULTIMATE to spam a (granted unnecessarily cheap and the Ulti cost reduction inherent in Sorcs sure as sh!t doesn't help) Ultimate that not only does damage but provides a HoT.
Have ZOS fix the Skirt + Stick > All predicament and all your the problems supposedly from Vampire will be solved.
People are constantly finding the wrong common denominator, jumpin on an ignorant bandwagon and running with it.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭timidobserver wrote: »Im more upset about annulment than the vampire stuff. The annulment change hurts my heavy armor build more than my light armor build.
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✭Should be significant pros and cons to both.
For vamps, I think that is there. Seige weapons with fire (oil!) hurt bad. I think people underestimate the weakness here for vamps. And players who fight me rarely if ever use silver bolts.
It's a good mix right now. Batswarm nerf not needed
Cast Purge/Cloak problem solved. This pretense that it's that much of a big deal is only big deal if you're dumb enough to run in PVP without something to clear the fire damage and frankly that could be said for non-vamps as well.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »WW not like the vampire pretty much doesnt add issues , so that means it will be much easier for people to bash on it till zen nerfs it also.
Because no one in Cyrodil uses attacks that apply poison. I mean, we all know how utterly useless lethal arrow is...
Actually the bow is pretty much all over cyrodil... Almost all of its attacks are poison or can be morphed into poison. Say hello to lethal arrows.
That was the joke.1 -
brandon✭✭✭✭I'm so sick of all the nerfs to vampires. They have so many weaknesses it's not funny, but yet ZOS keeps nerfing them more and more. Seriously they really need to buff them or something. I mean today they nerfed Devouring swarms healing by 30%. ZOS please buff vampires next update and stop nerfing them into the ground. @ZOS_AmeliaR @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno2 -
Goibot✭✭✭•Evil Hunter: This ability now highlights vampire player characters in Cyrodiil.
It is one thing to balance characters and skill lines but to purposely paint a target on vampires or any skill line in PVP is WRONG just wrong. It is almost like you are asking people to unsub......3 -
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✭✭I'm a Nord DK Vamp and I don't have a problem at all with the changes to vampires. I'll still be hilariously OP in PvE, even with the nerf to swarm.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I am fine with it. I use Bat Swarm to defend against Bat Swarm. If they nerf it to the point that other people don't use Bat Swarm, I am fine with not using it as well.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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brandon✭✭✭✭I'm a Nord DK Vamp and I don't have a problem at all with the changes to vampires. I'll still be hilariously OP in PvE, even with the nerf to swarm.
Dragonknights are pretty much the top class at the moment. Don't you remember all those threads about Dragonknights being able to faceroll everything. Of course it wouldn't effect them much considering they are already massively powerful.1 -
brandon✭✭✭✭•Evil Hunter: This ability now highlights vampire player characters in Cyrodiil.
It is one thing to balance characters and skill lines but to purposely paint a target on vampires or any skill line in PVP is WRONG just wrong. It is almost like you are asking people to unsub......
Wow i didn't even see that. Seriously another stupid decision by ZOS. Another weakness against vampires for no reason.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »AssaultLemming wrote: »I'm struggling to find a reason to load any vamp skills on my Dw/resto Nb. Bats? Nope veil is better. Mist form? Meh. The life drain? Was good while leveling up, never use it at high level. So basically I get a fire debuff and I'm faster in stealth. I would like to see another three vamp actives for us to use.
Welcome to the reason eventually vampires will be completely useless
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In the end there is a limit to how many skills you can take in combat at once and the vampire ones are already not that great when compared to the others.
When the spellcrafting hit the game , if it really add many different skills , then probably being a vampire will be just a bag of debuffs you could avoid and use skills just as effective.
I realize I'm probably just dreaming but I really hope there are vamp and WW specific spells in spellcrafting.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
seanvwolf✭✭✭✭This makes me think maybe WW/Vamp should have been essentially this:
1 Active Skill : Transform
This would essentially kick off the buff/debuff modifiers to adjust gameplay.
Something like heal X on critical strikes or CC on critical strikes.
Then have the passives add buff/debuff modifiers to the already existing form. No ultimates, no other active skills... nothing. Just a toggle active skill (like bound armor or mage light) and a cosmetic animation change... easy peasy.
What is better would have been to do something similar to what happens during Sorceror's Overload ultimate.
Distance closing skills would have transformed to leaps.
CC skills would have transformed to fear/stun.
Class skills would have transformed to feed.
Weapon skills would have transformed to slash.
But I guess that wouldn't have been satisfactory for many people. C'est la vie.0 -
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✭They nerf Bat Swarm making is almost useless now and then put a marked target on Vampires with Evil Hunter. Like to know the reasoning behind all this.
Was thinking of dropping Vampire anyways. With all the nerfs ZOS has seen fit to impose on the class its not really a benefit anymore anyways.1 -
Whisper292✭✭✭As soon as you enter Cyrodiil, this game changes from The Elder Scrolls Online to Twilight Online.
Would somebody explain this to me, please? Where do you get Twilight? Have you read the books? Do you even know what it's about? Yes, I've read the books--sue me--but at least when I talk about it, I know what I'm saying. It's basically just your standard teen angst story that just happens to have sparkly supernaturals. Twilight's vamps don't even have fangs. Just because ESO has vampires doesn't mean it's Twilight Online. There is absolutely NOTHING about ESO's vamps even remotely similar to Twilight.
I personally don't care if somebody hates ESO's vampires. If I'm offended by the venom you're spouting, I don't have to read it. But if you're going to insult them, you should educate yourself or at least THINK before you do it. Because when you call it "Twilight Online," all you're doing it making yourself look stupid.---
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