Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?

raglau · October 2014

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Think people just gave up and don't care anymore.

Well, the developer doesn't care about this item, quite obviously.

I've stopped playing ESO.

I am playing Alien Isolation and their forum is a world apart from this. Customer service reps online all the time, every bug or query you post answered within an hour or so. And they don't even get a sub.

ZOS are living in the dark ages of gaming if they think they can grow ESO with their weak attitude. It's a great game but is being neglected in terms of the management team.

bunnytrix · October 2014

I too have stopped. The devs do not come to this forum at all. Anything they want to tell the community they go to Reddit. On here they give all of their dirty work, dishonesty and lies to the poor community manager and assistants to take all the flak.
Yes this is the official game forum, but the devs do not come here to interact with the game community...ever! I find this very strange. It is hurting them to do this yet they persist in this lack of transparency and lack of respect for the people paying for their game. It is as if they themselves have no confidence in their own game.
I compare this to other games like Wildstar where the devs are all over the forums with full transparency about everything, letting the players know what they are doing, what they are planning and when etc etc...If theres a bug or any problem..the devs are on the forums immediately telling the community what went wrong, what they are doing to fix it and when..Now..I dont particularly like that game, but I have the utmost respect for it's devs..

Here, they just ignore us and hope the threads will get buried and people will eventually (like in this thread) give up.

A core gameplay mechanic that affects everyone, has been broken for weeks, and ZoS will not come here to explain what they are doing about it or to even let us know they are dealing with it. How are they getting away with this ? It is exactly the same in the thread about skill line xp being lost...lies, dishonesty then silence.

Sneak_Thief · October 2014

I believe the stealth issue here are as resolved as we are going to get from ZOS.

While there are still ongoing issues with night blades it may be best for them to have a new thread. So ZOS is welcome to lock or archive this or let it get buried. I don't think it will receive much more help. Thanks for all those who voiced your opinions.

GreyRanger · October 2014

For me the lack of posts has not reflected a solution or resolution, but a lack of new evidence or information from Zenimax. I am stuck with trying to decide between finding a different game to play or giving up my main and switching to a DK, since a stealth/invisibility based character is not really viable.

What a frustration this has been.

Nazon_Katts · October 2014

Dunno, but I would have thought they figured out by now, that their head-in-the-sand approach does not only make the problem go away, but it's taking the people who got it with it.

GreyRanger · October 2014

Just observing:
2 weeks since the last patch and no mention of the stealth or shadow cloak issues in the current patch notes.

I don't think there has been a post from a mod on the issues in about the same period. Awfully frustrating.

raglau · October 2014

GreyRanger wrote: »

Just observing:
2 weeks since the last patch and no mention of the stealth or shadow cloak issues in the current patch notes.

I don't think there has been a post from a mod on the issues in about the same period. Awfully frustrating.

Bottom line is, ZOS don't care and are hoping we will go away.

If this were a F2P game I may accept this. But I pay a sub and I therefore expect the supplier to do their job, not to ignore me.

Might I suggest in order to raise this through the documented process, all who are affected raise support tickets detailing our concerns.

Whilst I don't really play the game anymore - partly because of the attitude of ZOS to how broken it STILL is - I have a sub still running for a few months more and therefore I am going to raise this one again.

Shizashane · October 2014

is Blood craze healing ticks supposed to break you from stealth? If they are not that's what it is doing to me

Nazon_Katts · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

GreyRanger wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno, Nice to see you back on the forums.

FYI from the patch notes, Critical Charge is a 2 hand ability not a dual weapons ability.

Any chance of a post/response on the stealth/Shadow Cloak issues, since any fixes for that did not make the patch?

Thanks! Been out of town for a bit. We'll fix the Critical Charge note now, thanks for the heads up.

As far as Shadow Cloak, we'll try to get an update out later today.

Finally. Let's see if we like what they've got to say.

Sacadon · October 2014

great if they get an update out... I tried to surface this again here...

rook75 · October 2014

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ Any word on this? Been around 24 hours. Cloaks are broken and stealth is useless again.

Lazrael · October 2014

Cloak still spontaneously breaking for no discernable reason. Cast it 4 times in a row and it broke each time. Ridiculous.

Sylvyr · October 2014

This should get more attention. Seriously.

GhostwalkerLD · October 2014

Stealth is still very much broken as well.. and the complete silence from ZOS on this issue is very, very troubling to say the least. Can we please get SOME acknowledgement?

Jacques Berge · October 2014

Hi guys, I also don't like the way stealth currently works. Also, I too have no experience in game design, especially not with the engine ZoS uses. That being said, I figured I'd repost what everyone else is saying. "RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR!!!!... Address this one issue now.... PR folks, make statement giving me exact details!!! What's that? You already said its being perpetually tweaked? Not good enough... RAWR!!!" I think I covered everything. Thread can end now.

Allicus · October 2014

I don't know if Zenimax are under the illusion that they have fixed the problem and all is fine. Cloak is broken, lots of times I get hit while cloaked and get knocked out of it. Stealth itself is broken, as I am now getting hit when the eye is shut. Majority of my deaths in Cyrodiil are due to these two issues. For a NB cloak is a class defining ability and its disgusting the fact that a) its not fixed by now and b) that lack of communication about it from the developers.

raglau · October 2014

The only way we have a hope of getting ZOS to pay any attention to this, is if everyone affected raises support tickets on each point.

ZOS clearly don't give a toss about their own forum, as has been shown time and time again, so a wave of tickets - which are no doubt counted for stats - may get their eye.

Razzak · October 2014

Greatfellow wrote: »

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Now I get detected when I shouldn't, I mean detected like I wasn't stealthed at all, the nonsense with critters turning around when I sneak up on them, what the heck is that, eh?

I guess the answer to that is that you were either heard (watch where you step when sneaking) or smelled (wash your armor every 20 hours).

Maybe that's an official explanation as well.

Wolfshade · October 2014

Yeah it`s still broken. Was there a time it work`s how it should?

@ZOS: Should any shockeffect break the cloak?

It happend by any NPC who use shockskills.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2014

rook75 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ Any word on this? Been around 24 hours. Cloaks are broken and stealth is useless again.

Hey all, apologies for the delay. We're still working on rounding up the issues surrounding Shadow Cloak and are sorting out the facts and status of each issue so we don't post something incorrect. We can tell you, in the meantime, that there are a number of things breaking Shadow Cloak currently. More to come this afternoon...

raglau · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

rook75 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ Any word on this? Been around 24 hours. Cloaks are broken and stealth is useless again.

Hey all, apologies for the delay. We're still working on rounding up the issues surrounding Shadow Cloak and are sorting out the facts and status of each issue so we don't post something incorrect. We can tell you, in the meantime, that there are a number of things breaking Shadow Cloak currently. More to come this afternoon...

Great you are rounding up SC issues, but where are you with stealth as a whole please?

Grim13 · October 2014

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

At the ESO guild summit day 2 they are looking into Shadow Cloak and it's morph's, so hopefully we can get a real hard fix on the troubles..

"Shadow Cloak – QA has been hard at work to identify the affects of using every single ability in the game with/against a character who is cloaked, so they are aware of all the issues and will be working on resolving them for future updates."

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit-day2/

The issue here is: they should have been doing this kind of QA testing DURING *** BETA!!! You know, when it first became apparent that there was an issue and it was reported ad nauseum.

At worst they should have taken a several days to a week to put out this kind of response... but NOT SIX *** MONTHS!!!

SIX MONTHS.

..And that's not including Beta (which I believe we're still in, lol).

Un-***-believable.

What mind-blowingly awful support for a product.

Wow.

rook75 · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

rook75 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ Any word on this? Been around 24 hours. Cloaks are broken and stealth is useless again.

Hey all, apologies for the delay. We're still working on rounding up the issues surrounding Shadow Cloak and are sorting out the facts and status of each issue so we don't post something incorrect. We can tell you, in the meantime, that there are a number of things breaking Shadow Cloak currently. More to come this afternoon...

What about Stealth as a whole?

Yusuf · October 2014

rook75 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

rook75 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ Any word on this? Been around 24 hours. Cloaks are broken and stealth is useless again.

Hey all, apologies for the delay. We're still working on rounding up the issues surrounding Shadow Cloak and are sorting out the facts and status of each issue so we don't post something incorrect. We can tell you, in the meantime, that there are a number of things breaking Shadow Cloak currently. More to come this afternoon...

What about Stealth as a whole?

What's wrong with stealth?

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2014

Ok everyone, we understand there are still a number of outstanding issues with Shadow Cloak, and wanted to finally give you an update on what we’re doing to fix this ability.

Currently, the cloak from Shadow Cloak is being removed if you cast Caltrops or Scorched Earth, then cast Shadow Cloak. This is currently fixed on the PTS, and will be pushed Live for Update 5. There’s also an issue where casting the ability Force Siphon on an enemy is removing Shadow Cloak, and we are currently testing a fix for this.

In addition, we’ve seen reports that projectiles are removing Shadow Cloak’s effects when you reflect the projectile back, and melee weapon procs will still hit you even if you dodge them. Both these issues will be fixed when we publish Update 5.

Finally, there are a number of abilities affecting Shadow Cloak where it’s being removed after you cast the ability while a projectile targeting you is in flight. These include:

Restoration Staff Light Attack
Inner Fire and its morphs
Cripple and its morphs
Solar Flare and its morphs

Regarding issues with stealth itself, we have recently identified a few items that may be contributing to how stealth acts and feels since Update 4. You’re not going crazy! We’re still trying to nail down the details, but we’ll keep you in the loop as we gather more information.

Thanks so much for your patience on these issues. We understand it’s been frustrating, but hope this update helps a bit!

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok everyone, we understand there are still a number of outstanding issues with Shadow Cloak, and wanted to finally give you an update on what we’re doing to fix this ability.

Currently, the cloak from Shadow Cloak is being removed if you cast Caltrops or Scorched Earth, then cast Shadow Cloak. This is currently fixed on the PTS, and will be pushed Live for Update 5. There’s also an issue where casting the ability Force Siphon on an enemy is removing Shadow Cloak, and we are currently testing a fix for this.

In addition, we’ve seen reports that projectiles are removing Shadow Cloak’s effects when you reflect the projectile back, and melee weapon procs will still hit you even if you dodge them. Both these issues will be fixed when we publish Update 5.

Finally, there are a number of abilities affecting Shadow Cloak where it’s being removed after you cast the ability while a projectile targeting you is in flight. These include:
Restoration Staff Light Attack

Inner Fire and its morphs

Cripple and its morphs

Solar Flare and its morphs

Regarding issues with stealth itself, we have recently identified a few items that may be contributing to how stealth acts and feels since Update 4. You’re not going crazy! We’re still trying to nail down the details, but we’ll keep you in the loop as we gather more information.

Thanks so much for your patience on these issues. We understand it’s been frustrating, but hope this update helps a bit!

Thank you Very Much Gina you are Awesome.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · October 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

At the ESO guild summit day 2 they are looking into Shadow Cloak and it's morph's, so hopefully we can get a real hard fix on the troubles..

"Shadow Cloak – QA has been hard at work to identify the affects of using every single ability in the game with/against a character who is cloaked, so they are aware of all the issues and will be working on resolving them for future updates."

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit-day2/

The issue here is: they should have been doing this kind of QA testing DURING xxxxxxx BETA!!! You know, when it first became apparent that there was an issue and it was reported ad nauseum.

At worst they should have taken a several days to a week to put out this kind of response... but NOT SIX xxxxxx MONTHS!!!

SIX MONTHS.

..And that's not including Beta (which I believe we're still in, lol).

Un-xxxxxx-believable.

What mind-blowingly awful support for a product.

Wow.

I know my man, I am right there with you. I love this game but I have to say that sometimes I feel that it came out a year too early. But this is a MMO and alot of MMO's have bugs, maybe not to this extent but they do.

I am still a very strong supporter of this game and will be resubbing for another 6 mos next month and as long as they (ZOS) realize that there are troubles and that they are trying to fix them I will be happy with it.

Note- I edited your Qoute because of the Cursing/foul language.

raglau · October 2014

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I love this game but I have to say that sometimes I feel that it came out a year too early. But this is a MMO and alot of MMO's have bugs, maybe not to this extent but they do.

The main issue I have with ESO, is that ZOS come across that they don't actually know what they are doing. Time and time again there is a dithering and unfocused response, which implies to me that they don't offer anything in return for my sub that I would not get from a F2P developer.

In many cases, F2P games are supported far better than ESO. So I just think, "where's the value add?"

I support a game having a sub in principle, but there needs to be something coming back to the customer. And in the case of ESO, it's very clear we are actually playing a game that not only was not (and still is not) tested properly, but that there's no intention on behalf of ZOS to make the changes internally that will drag the game out of that hole.

I am in the middle of a 6 month sub and I pick the game up now and then to play, but if ZOS have not sorted themselves out by the time that sub expires, I'll be off. It's not like there is a lack of games out there.

One thing is for sure, there is no way they would be able to release this game to the console market as it is, ZOS would be crucified the way things are now.

rook75 · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok everyone, we understand there are still a number of outstanding issues with Shadow Cloak, and wanted to finally give you an update on what we’re doing to fix this ability.

Currently, the cloak from Shadow Cloak is being removed if you cast Caltrops or Scorched Earth, then cast Shadow Cloak. This is currently fixed on the PTS, and will be pushed Live for Update 5. There’s also an issue where casting the ability Force Siphon on an enemy is removing Shadow Cloak, and we are currently testing a fix for this.

In addition, we’ve seen reports that projectiles are removing Shadow Cloak’s effects when you reflect the projectile back, and melee weapon procs will still hit you even if you dodge them. Both these issues will be fixed when we publish Update 5.

Finally, there are a number of abilities affecting Shadow Cloak where it’s being removed after you cast the ability while a projectile targeting you is in flight. These include:
Restoration Staff Light Attack

Inner Fire and its morphs

Cripple and its morphs

Solar Flare and its morphs

Regarding issues with stealth itself, we have recently identified a few items that may be contributing to how stealth acts and feels since Update 4. You’re not going crazy! We’re still trying to nail down the details, but we’ll keep you in the loop as we gather more information.

Thanks so much for your patience on these issues. We understand it’s been frustrating, but hope this update helps a bit!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

This doesn't discuss how people are seeing through stealth from ranges WAYYYYY farther then the 20-30m from a detection potion, or how Cloaks just fail, and everyone and their brother can see you (though I'm showing "hidden"). A couple posts detail this excessively, can you also give us an answer to this as well please?

Deheart · October 2014

Wow, am I glad that I only chose nightblade for the leech in order to try out a leech staff healer.