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So you gave in and nerfed Batswarm...
MornaBaine
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...but added a crit chance to Drain. I am KIND OF okay with that ZoS though until you give me fire mitigatin that actually works consistently I AM a bit annoyed. Apparently "Nerf vampires!" is the new mantra...but yet you can't be bothered to do ANYTHING to make them more fun to play? What about altering the Stage timers? At the very least? Or are you just determined to make them so NOT fun to play that people will start dropping them?
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Quick question....magelight says reveals hidden and invisible players. Why does magelight not work on batswarm with invisibilty morph? Special kind of invisible? Yeah i hope they fix that too.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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MasterFUNG_ESO✭✭✭I'm fine with the Nerf if they would only fix the ability to actually go off. Been broken since may. Its takes 3 times the amount of ultimate before it will pop. This bug doesn't affect everyone so it gets ignored. When they fix this and the de-lvling issue ill come back to the game.1 -
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✭✭✭The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.5 -
stumpy999✭✭✭Nerf to the batswarm is a good idea, now I just need a boost to Nova to give it fire damage so I can compete with DK talon and swarm spam machines
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
Id prefer the chance to just kill you instead of you popping the immunity batswarm. Nobody that is good is complaining about the damage, its the inability to wreck you while you are using it. Invisbility is not immunity from single target attacks.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I enjoy PvP but don't so it all that often. But it annoys the blue blazes out of me that they keep nerfing my main over an activity I'm not even all that interested in yet it screws with PvE as well and they REFUSE to acknowledge all the requests for other changes/additions to vampires. Seriously ZoS every single PLAYER in the game knows my character is a vampire....NONE of the NPCs do. THAT is just flatly STUPID. FIX IT.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!8 -
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✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
Id prefer the chance to just kill you instead of you popping the immunity batswarm. Nobody that is good is complaining about the damage, its the inability to wreck you while you are using it. Invisbility is not immunity from single target attacks.
I have only done a little PVP but I have gone against quite a number of Vamps trying to spam Batswarm, they where not immune to being killed.5 -
Voodoo✭✭✭✭there was no nerf. devouring swarms heal was lowered. it still heals and it still works really well ...its just not a perfect solution to every problem now ..just like all spells should be. ...and I am a lv 4 vamp so no complaining here.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
Id prefer the chance to just kill you instead of you popping the immunity batswarm. Nobody that is good is complaining about the damage, its the inability to wreck you while you are using it. Invisbility is not immunity from single target attacks.
I have only done a little PVP but I have gone against quite a number of Vamps trying to spam Batswarm, they where not immune to being killed.
EXACTLY this. Despite having 3000 points of fire resist jewelry I am REGULARLY ashed. And NOW you're going to nerf my Ult? Go to Oblivion ZoS.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!13 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
Id prefer the chance to just kill you instead of you popping the immunity batswarm. Nobody that is good is complaining about the damage, its the inability to wreck you while you are using it. Invisbility is not immunity from single target attacks.
I have only done a little PVP but I have gone against quite a number of Vamps trying to spam Batswarm, they where not immune to being killed.
Pretty certain i said immune to single target attacks....
Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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✭✭✭✭✭there was no nerf. devouring swarms heal was lowered. it still heals and it still works really well ...its just not a perfect solution to every problem now ..just like all spells should be. ...and I am a lv 4 vamp so no complaining here.
And like I said...give me fire mitigation that actually WORKS and I'll call it a fair trade.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!4 -
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✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
Id prefer the chance to just kill you instead of you popping the immunity batswarm. Nobody that is good is complaining about the damage, its the inability to wreck you while you are using it. Invisbility is not immunity from single target attacks.
I have only done a little PVP but I have gone against quite a number of Vamps trying to spam Batswarm, they where not immune to being killed.
Pretty certain i said immune to single target attacks....
They where not immune to single target attacks either. Dragon knight standard is pretty much my only AOE attack. The still fell to me using heavy attacks, Ransack, Crippling Slash, and Shield bash.0 -
Halke✭✭✭MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »I'm fine with the Nerf if they would only fix the ability to actually go off. Been broken since may. Its takes 3 times the amount of ultimate before it will pop. This bug doesn't affect everyone so it gets ignored. When they fix this and the de-lvling issue ill come back to the game.
Have you been living at stage four? If so than what you are seeing is because our cost reduction for abilities got hit hard but you have to go down to stage one to get the numbers to reflect right. Just feed down and goof off until you are back at stage four and you will see the actual costs for your skills.0 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »The only way to get them not to nerf something is to complain louder than the people who can't be bothered to dodge out of the way.
I would be cool with that if the lag were not so bad, making it hard to get a dodge off at the right time (if at all).3 -
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✭I'm fine with the nerf. I'd like these optional trait lines to excel in character flavor and give additional utility, not be a part of the min/max meta for their strengths. As a player with a vampire, I would be fine with further reduction of some of the skills, and harsher treatment from PvE NPCs.5 -
Origin✭✭✭Daily news: A large shipment of silver bolts has arrived in Cyrodiil.
Now there will be a silver bolt for every vampire.
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Bramir✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Quick question....magelight says reveals hidden and invisible players. Why does magelight not work on batswarm with invisibilty morph? Special kind of invisible? Yeah i hope they fix that too.
Vampires are special. If their abilities aren't better than everyone elses, they turn all emo and start sparkling...
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✭This was necessary, Devouring was pretty much a free "kill everything without giving a [snip]" in PvE. Sure, it was nice to stay at full HP while having 30 mobs beating on you but it didn't make sense! It's still an extremely powerful ultimate, although I agree that Clouding should be revealed by Magelight because now that morph is a billion times better instead.
Although I plan to respec into a stamina vampire hunter once update 5 launches, with the new Evil Hunter revealing vamps.
I think it will be good for the state of the game to do some hunting, because Vampirism is still way more prevalent in Cyrodiil than it should be. It should be very powerful in the right hands, sure, but Camo Hunter will make it dangerous enough to balance that out as there will be a cool way to really build for hunting them down.
Maybe Swarm should even be made more powerful after that, we'll see! Anything to reduce the number of vamps in Cyrodiil is good imo, 'cause it's kinda silly for it to be such an easy choice to make.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on October 16, 2014 12:42PM3 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Quick question....magelight says reveals hidden and invisible players. Why does magelight not work on batswarm with invisibilty morph? Special kind of invisible? Yeah i hope they fix that too.
That is really a lack of common sense right there. The whole point of that morph is to remain invisible while doing damage. That is the survivability.
Here's a secret: If you aoe spam near the bats you will damage them. If you stay away from the bats, you will not be damaged. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't used vampirism other than on a lowbie character in quite a while. So really, I have nothing to gain or lose from this. It's easy to overcome. Vamps are never a problem for me. The fire damage they take is ridiculous to begin with as is when they get 1 shot from the chance using Silver Bolts/Leash.
The bad outweighs the good right now and what ZOS needs to do is make Vamp and WW a lot better... if they are to have such severe consequences of fire/poison damage PLUS FG skills damage which so many people use in Cyrodiil... it needs to be fixed and rebalanced to be attractive enough other than for RP reasons. There is already plenty of incentive not to take either Vamp or WW, there needs to be just as much incentive to take either of them.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming and Trolling & Baiting]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on October 16, 2014 3:28PM12 -
Bramir✭✭✭✭ViciousWayz wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Quick question....magelight says reveals hidden and invisible players. Why does magelight not work on batswarm with invisibilty morph? Special kind of invisible? Yeah i hope they fix that too.
That is really a lack of common sense right there. The whole point of that morph is to remain invisible while doing damage. That is the survivability.
Here's a secret: If you aoe spam near the bats you will damage them. If you stay away from the bats, you will not be damaged. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't used vampirism other than on a lowbie character in quite a while. So really, I have nothing to gain or lose from this. But calling for this kind of butthurt nonsense in a parade of nerfs is pathetic. It's easy to overcome. Vamps are never a problem for me. The fire damage they take is ridiculous to begin with as is when they get 1 shot from the chance using Silver Bolts/Leash.
The bad outweighs the good right now and what ZOS needs to do is make Vamp and WW a lot better... if they are to have such severe consequences of fire/poison damage PLUS FG skills damage which so many people use in Cyrodiil... it needs to be fixed and rebalanced to be attractive enough other than for RP reasons. There is already plenty of incentive not to take either Vamp or WW, there needs to be just as much incentive to take either of them.
TL;DR: L2P There's no reason to be a noob this many months into the game when you clearly aren't actually new to it yet still show all the signs of a noob.
The consequences of being a vamp are anything but severe, and can be mitigated in numerous ways...one of which was the ridiculous healing from batswarm. If the mitigation is within the same skill line, it is hardly a major problem to overcome.
Werewolves on the other hand, take the extra damage from fighter's guild abilities without anything near the power boost of being a vampire. Yet you consider vampires needing to be boosted along with werewolves? And you are calling other people noobs?
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Vampire status should not be a general purpose buff. Therefore, I think it is proper that the bad should generally outweigh the good. Instead of being a general purpose buff, Vampire should be more of a niche build.The bad outweighs the good right now and what ZOS needs to do is make Vamp and WW a lot better... if they are to have such severe consequences of fire/poison damage PLUS FG skills damage which so many people use in Cyrodiil... it needs to be fixed and rebalanced to be attractive enough other than for RP reasons. There is already plenty of incentive not to take either Vamp or WW, there needs to be just as much incentive to take either of them.
The problem that we've had in the past is that Vampires were basically a general purpose buff. Imagine a lorebook in a future elder scrolls game describing about how the armies of the Dominion, Pact, and Covenant were 90% vampires. Would sound ridiculous.Edited by Aeratus on October 15, 2014 3:33PM12 -
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✭Nerf to the batswarm is a good idea, now I just need a boost to Nova to give it fire damage so I can compete with DK talon and swarm spam machines
Using Nova on my Templar: 288 ulti
Using Bat Swarm on my Sorcerer: 118 ulti
Dropping Standard with my DK: 200 ulti
Not sure if extra fire damage is enough to make Nova competitive, still takes half a gaming session to build it up as a templar lol.
Anyway, the so called healing reduction for Devouring Swarm is so tiny, can we even call it a nerf? Rather they make the other one, Cloudy-Lagfest Swarm, easier to see in the middle of all clustered animation explosions in PvP. Pretty please.3 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭ViciousWayz wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Quick question....magelight says reveals hidden and invisible players. Why does magelight not work on batswarm with invisibilty morph? Special kind of invisible? Yeah i hope they fix that too.
That is really a lack of common sense right there. The whole point of that morph is to remain invisible while doing damage. That is the survivability.
Here's a secret: If you aoe spam near the bats you will damage them. If you stay away from the bats, you will not be damaged. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't used vampirism other than on a lowbie character in quite a while. So really, I have nothing to gain or lose from this. But calling for this kind of butthurt nonsense in a parade of nerfs is pathetic. It's easy to overcome. Vamps are never a problem for me. The fire damage they take is ridiculous to begin with as is when they get 1 shot from the chance using Silver Bolts/Leash.
The bad outweighs the good right now and what ZOS needs to do is make Vamp and WW a lot better... if they are to have such severe consequences of fire/poison damage PLUS FG skills damage which so many people use in Cyrodiil... it needs to be fixed and rebalanced to be attractive enough other than for RP reasons. There is already plenty of incentive not to take either Vamp or WW, there needs to be just as much incentive to take either of them.
TL;DR: L2P There's no reason to be a noob this many months into the game when you clearly aren't actually new to it yet still show all the signs of a noob.
So what your saying is that it is common sense that vampire invisibility is special and should not be revealed by magelight. No need to call me or anyone a noob, this is a discussion. If you want to talk about noobs, we can do that too but you wont win.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »...but added a crit chance to Drain. I am KIND OF okay with that ZoS though until you give me fire mitigatin that actually works consistently I AM a bit annoyed. Apparently "Nerf vampires!" is the new mantra...but yet you can't be bothered to do ANYTHING to make them more fun to play? What about altering the Stage timers? At the very least? Or are you just determined to make them so NOT fun to play that people will start dropping them?
Did you see the part where Evil Hunter will highlight Vamps in Cyrodiil too (has not been confirmed if will do the same for werewolves).
Might as well tie a big balloon to the wrist of every Vamp out there.Using Nova on my Templar: 288 ulti
Using Bat Swarm on my Sorcerer: 118 ulti
Dropping Standard with my DK: 200 ulti
Anyway, the so called healing reduction for Devouring Swarm is so tiny, can we even call it a nerf? Rather they make the other one, Cloudy-Lagfest Swarm, easier to see in the middle of all clustered animation explosions in PvP. Pretty please.
On the Ulti cost - how much of that is Sorc Passives and not just Vamp? Blood Magic, for instance (reduced Magicka and Stamina costs)?
Regarding the downgrade on Swarm, by itself, it's not that big of a deal. Add on Evil Hunter and the dropkick from Silver Shards/Bolt/Leash which is all but unavoidable (roll dodge if you're lucky, probably out of stamina before they are - you do the math) and it's potentially a huge hit.
Guess if they're trying to thin the herd or keep Vampirism out of Cyrodiil, they may get their wish.
There should be upsides and downsides. Neither should completely outweigh the other.
Let's no forget that most of the Destro attacks out there are fire based for the +10% crit as it is...
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS3
