Reason #2451 why you shouldn't be a NB.

Yes, but you forget the problem starts with the precept that all classes can stealth in this game, and all can do so equally (the only special sneak bonuses in game being Bosmer/Khajiit Racial Perks). In theory, therefore, the Detect Potions apply to everyone equally, but of course attacking out of stealth is far more crucial for NBs than any other class, and an NB whose stealth is blown is infinitely more vulnerable than any other class afterwards.

IMO, the problem isn't the potions so much as NB stealth buffs in general. Our ability to stealth/go invisible is far too fragile, considering how helpless we are once detected. Aside from one skill allowing less than three seconds of invisibility, there's absolutely nothing that makes NBs more capable at achieving stealth or remaining undetected than other classes. Nothing. Nonetheless, they are considerably less capable/more vulnerable when detected. This is the imbalance which needs to be corrected, and the way to do so is by improving buffs to NB stealth, including preventing detection by potions.

EDIT: In fairness, Consuming Darkness offers a stealth synergy as well, but that's being pretty generous I think.

If you look at the notes from the guild summit on tamriel foundry. They're awar of the detect pot issue with cloak and going to fix it. I had friends say, nah man, that's dumb... Key thing is balance. Magelight is one thing... It's a skill.... Mundane potions should not work on magical cloak. NB should not be the only class so adversely effected by potions/gear. No item should break invisbility... Period

Wing wrote: »

and Shadow image. . .I cannot tell you how much fun this skill is, pop it in a safe location, go gank one person in a zerg, then as everyone turns on you give them the finger and teleport away XD

Yeah, this is pretty much our best escape tool but I find it needs to be used with cloak to get the most from it.

Run one way, drop shade, keep running, "derp derp derp" goes the DK bunny hopping after you, teleport back to shade, cloak and zig zag in a totally different direction.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I've said it a number of times before, but you don't see a potion shutting down GDB or Bolt Escape.

You don't even need a potion to shut down GDB, just a disease enchanted weapon. Cheaper too.

I don't have an issue with detect potions not breaking cloak to be honest. I think it's probably a good idea, for once coming from a NB. Damage should still pop you of cloak though.

I can't believe you're honestly comparing that decrease in the efficacy of GDB (which still gives you the full return on stamina recovery, you failed to mention), a decrease which only individuals with the proper enchant can inflict in the first place, to Shadow Cloak completely failing to override an easily acquired potion that anyone can quickslot at any point in battle.

GDB, even when cut in half, still has value (even if you're saying it becomes less efficient than other options), where Cloak is often just a magicka sink that can't overcome the most common of potions and becomes essentially useless once you've been detected in this fashion.

Guessing this is why ZoS has already mentioned they are getting balanced in the near future.

Even though NB has horrible problems at the moment, I still think it is the most fun class to play.

You necro a thread from October 2014 and use that for making a point now in May 2015 when everything has changed?

Let me just say that the game was very different back then. NB's were squishy, cloak didn't work as intended and many, many things were still broken for NB's. Fast forward to current day and NB's are bad ass in PvP.

All I'm seeing here is someone used a detect pot on you in PvP and you died...

Stealthing after willingly entering combat is dumb. Remove that, then remove detect pots.

You say this assuming cloak and sneak are a night lades only defense. It may be the only defense of a magicka nightblade, but stamina night blades can dodge roll around entire keeps. But that's a moot point because things die so fast in front of nighbtlades defense is an after thought most of the time.


EDIT: oops didn't see the thread necro.

hammer_fella wrote: »

Yes, but you forget the problem starts with the precept that all classes can stealth in this game, and all can do so equally (the only special sneak bonuses in game being Bosmer/Khajiit Racial Perks). In theory, therefore, the Detect Potions apply to everyone equally, but of course attacking out of stealth is far more crucial for NBs than any other class, and an NB whose stealth is blown is infinitely more vulnerable than any other class afterwards.

IMO, the problem isn't the potions so much as NB stealth buffs in general. Our ability to stealth/go invisible is far too fragile, considering how helpless we are once detected. Aside from one skill allowing less than three seconds of invisibility, there's absolutely nothing that makes NBs more capable at achieving stealth or remaining undetected than other classes. Nothing. Nonetheless, they are considerably less capable/more vulnerable when detected. This is the imbalance which needs to be corrected, and the way to do so is by improving buffs to NB stealth, including preventing detection by potions.

EDIT: In fairness, Consuming Darkness offers a stealth synergy as well, but that's being pretty generous I think.

I think the whole stealth system needs an overhaul.

- Everyone in stealth should be visible in PvP except for the alliance indicators so you cannot see which faction it is unless you are close enough to target them.
- That way people will use stealth more like hiding in bushes, behind a tree or rock and not hide in the open field.
- NB's should blur out (like Chameleon spell in previous TES-games and for those who have not played those, it's how the predator looks while cloaked) while sneaking.
- Cloak (either morph) should not be nullified by detect potions or NPC's guarding a castle
- Detect potion should only cancel invisibility potions and reveal the alliance indicators of people stealhing and not the cloak from NB.

Well, that's my opinion :-)

Edit: Typos

I don't think a nightblades strength was meant to be based on being invisible. If its not pots then people would pop flares, or caltrops, or whatever. Nothing in the game should have the ability to stay invisible permanently...what kind of mentality is that?

A nightblades advantage from stealth is it's ability to stun and do massive damage in an incredibly short amount of time. They are assassins, they use the shadows (not air...aka invisibility), and slice and dice a person to death. Nothing about a nightblade class, or any class has ever given me the impression, or feel like I'm entitled to stay invisible no matter what.

And about sorcs, they can't run forever, any more than a nightblade can stay cloaked forever :P

Wahee wrote: »

-Is that NB you are fighting 20 v 1 trying to get away? Pop a detect pot!

-Did a NB manage to do damage despite your stacked shields and perma-block? Detect pot!

-Running low on Magicka, or maybe feel you want some extra spell power too? Detect pot!

Detect potions are broken. They shouldn't give mag/spell power and they shouldn't see through invis. Full disclosure, I use them all the time for free NB kills. I'm also a NB and I die all the time because of them. A potion shouldn't shutdown a core mechanic for any class.

God bless all detect potions, If anything NB need nerf to their Escapes and stamina NB need burst nerf.