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Upper Craglorn Scorpion Grind

  • onlinegamer1
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    It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!
    lathbury wrote: »
    I am a humanoid creature (Bosmer, Khajhit, whatever).
    I can climb rocks.
    Scorpions cannot.
    I want to kill some scorpions, but there are too many to fight at once.
    I climb a rock.
    I use a magical ability to "pull" them onto my rock 1 by 1 and kill them with my party.

    Regardless of how much experience you have at MMORPGs, there is nothing wrong with the above gameplay. No one can be banned or reprimanded for it. I don't care what your opinion is, because its just that - your opinion. You may like playing a certain way, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

    Some people like strategy and tactics, not just button mashing. To "perch" in video games (MMO or otherwise) is not only common, but an absolute staple tactic. There is nothing illegal, unethical, or wrong with perching. Period. Perching is a 100% valid tactic in all video games. Perching is MEANT to give you an advantage. The entire idea of perching is "I am in a high, unreachable position and I can use ranged attacks to slaughter melee-limited opponents with no chance of repercussion whatsoever." Again, 100% legal, viable, common tactic used in all video game genres.

    So:
    1. There is nothing wrong with getting on the rock. That's perching.
    2. There is nothing wrong with using either ranged attacks or DK Chain to pull something onto the rock. Perfectly valid play.
    3. The only issue is that the boss respawns right after you kill it if its small scorpions are still alive.

    The thing is, that would happen whether you use the rock, kill the boss and then die to the little scorpions, kill the boss and then disconnect from the server due to client crash, kill the boss and then run away, or any other way of killing the boss and not the adds. It has 0 to do with the rock, and 100% to do with the boss respawn code.

    No player can know if this is intended or not. Well, wait a sec... we CAN know if its intended or not.... by looking.... here:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131866/known-issues-for-update-4#latest

    Hmm, nothing there that says this is a bug. Fantastic! I did my due diligence as a player. I found something that looked odd, not knowing if it was a bug or intended. I then checked the OFFICIAL place that I would check to see if its some exploit or bug. Nothing was there.

    BAM. It is now OFFICIALLY allowed. Right up until ZoS changes it so that the boss will go on a normal respawn timer even if his adds remain alive (which I presume will be the "fix").

    Except that you know they are going to fix it this must mean it's currently broken. You know it's the respawn timer that's broken, you know that's what they will fix. So by doing this you are exploiting and should be punished according to the tos.

    Incorrect.

    I have no idea if anything is broken. All I know is that, WHEN ASKED POINT BLANK IF IT WAS AN EXPLOIT, ZoS has not said if it is, and instead simply said they would "adjust it".

    When Streak had no cap, were you "Exploiting" by using Streak and damaging/gaining Ultimate on more than 6 people? No.
    Did they "adjust it" by capping it at 6? Yes.

    Your logic is faulty.
    Edited by onlinegamer1 on October 8, 2014 1:02PM
  • MorHawk
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    I want to see it fixed, but I don't think handing out punishments is wise. No option there for that.
    Observant wrote: »
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    another topic that cant see past its own farts.
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  • hiyde
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    It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.
    I am a humanoid creature (Bosmer, Khajhit, whatever).


    So:
    1. There is nothing wrong with getting on the rock. That's perching.
    2. There is nothing wrong with using either ranged attacks or DK Chain to pull something onto the rock. Perfectly valid play.
    3. The only issue is that the boss respawns right after you kill it if its small scorpions are still alive.

    Incorrect. The boss immediately respawns ONLY if the adds are reset after killing the boss by being on the rock or intentionally running them off.
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  • Cuyler
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    It is an exploit, but not a big deal
    I can climb rocks.
    Scorpions cannot.

    This is incorrect.

    Centuroides scorpions are unusual in that they can climb walls, trees, and other objects with a sufficiently rough surface. Bark scorpions practice negative geotaxis, preferring an upside down orientation, which often results in people being stung due to the scorpion being on the underside of an object.

    Therefore, exploit...jk just some forum logic there.
    3. The only issue is that the boss respawns right after you kill it if its small scorpions are still alive.

    This is clearly why this is an exploit and pretty sure is not intended play. I could care less what you do with your time in eso but to defend that it's not an exploit is just being obtuse.

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  • GunemCleric
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    It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!
    Too all QQ about grinding.

    it is an exploit in the same way that every other quick boss respawn. skyreach has a simialar mechanic but is a lot more fun. The only thing that needs to be fixed here is probably the drops and i am not sure of that as this may simply be faster than others with drops so it seems to drop more.

    You want a reason, the adult scorpion shows up to protect the young scorpions when you kill the adult...do not even care really. The fact is that they actually HAD to code that respawn trait in...I cannot think of another example in all Tamriel and in most areas with similar groupings i kill the boss first as the little ones are not as dangerous...it was intended or the Dev was brilliantly inept.

    I have a v14 and have done nearly everything in the game, when/before I was v12. I did 90% of it solo, i solo'd nearly every public dungeon, most of the world bosses, most of lower Crag. I can solo nearly every normal boss in lower crag and all but two of the public dungeons, though some of them take 30 minutes and a lot of patience. I started doing solo because of lack of people to play with (no they were not grinding) just very slow at questing and i finished the game before ZOS nerfed everything and buffed xp. I know a NB who solo'd the entire game, with melee/stam build before NB buffs and before upper vets were nerfed. I know a couple sorcs who did the same, and if a Templar cannot do it then he/she should find a new game.

    The first point is if you are not on par with my 1100 quests and "69 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes, and 25 secs" of game time then you have ZERO right to me i cannot grind an alt. Those that whinge about grinding and tell us to do the story, i have done the story, all of the story, and 80% of the story sucks, not even close to being good or on par with Elder Scrolls quests in previous games. I will only do the quests where the rewards outweigh the boredom, i.e. skill points. That is the purpose of Craglorn, grinding, some of it is actually fun. There is no real story or consequences like Cadwell's Platinum, it is just for grinding and trials.

    The second point is that the entire game outside of Crag, trials, and vet dungeons can be solo'd, so those people grinding are not preventing you from playing by not being able to group, most would not group with people who QQ about grinding anyway. In fact, most would not play PvE unless they had too; i know several who have not finished Cadwell's Silver because they absolutely hate the AD story, they basically got to v12/v14 though PvP.

    If you have a problem with grinding then get over it. As for this, if ZOS actually had the nerve to say that "this is a (punishable) exploit" everyone (who cared) would stop. All they had to do (or have to do) is come in and say a single sentence that it was unintended. There are literally dozens of exploits some reported by people i know to ensure they were not doing anything wrong.

    But, they did not say it was unintended or a "bad" exploit, they said "We're actively looking into a solution now." which translates to "oh no, more QQ from people who have nothing better to do, better change that so they stop QQ and making multiple threads and polls"
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  • ZOS_UlyssesW
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    Hey, all. We're actively looking into a solution now. As we have all of the necessary information we need about this issue, we are closing this thread. Thank you for your reports and your understanding.
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