Any Future for Nightblades? Devs contribute pls

Redlag · September 2014

Kego wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

Who cares if you fear me. If I maintain spell reflect at all times. You wont get me to 75% of my health for your fear to matter. Refresh me. How do you dps someone with this build if they have spell reflect up 100% of the time? How? There isn't anything but funnel health and crush shock.. Live in your theories and hardcore talk. But your fear is nothing to me. Because you cant even damage me. AT all. Zero. Nill. None. Damage. Slot your shades, but your funnel health and crush shuck don't matter. Your fear doesn't matter. Even after I am out of stamina, because if I maintain my reflect you aren't 100 to zeroing me in your fear. You do not matter to me. You aint killing me and I haven't died on my Dk to a solo NB except for an archer who did tons of dps before I could respond. Keep talking big thinking people will think you're good. The people who also play your class know youre siphon build isn't killing a DK. THE END.

And you don`t get it, that this is no issue of the Nightblade class. ANY Caster, no matter if Sorcerer, Nightblade, DK or Templar that uses Staffs is completly screwed agains that one skill of DKs. But be sure, if all DKs start spamming it, it will be nerfed to the ground quiete fast.

If I wanted to counter your specific Build, I would go with 1H+S and Resto Staff and just reflect your reflected spells.

And admit it. If youre running that build all a DK has to do is keep up spell reflect. Say it. It's true and if you don't say it you're just trying to appear better than you are.

Yes it is that way, cause spell reflect is just another way to strong skill of many that DKs got. Nothing new here, we all know that ZOS has a special love for this class.

You're no good anyways, because your trash post omits that spell reflect negates that build completely. Just say it man.

How many NBs, Sorcerer and Templar are out there with Spell Reflect? So I don`t care about one class, that has currently one overpowered skill.

Like LOTRO: One Skill to rule them all.

I'm a naughty girl.

I would more say, your are a kid and your decision for a DK was a FOTM decision.

You don't know what you're talking about. If I hit reflect against a sorc I get steaked, and liquid lightning x2 for about 1400-1600 damage and then they repeat it. Sorry, I'm not racing into a sorc thread that are crying about reflects to tell them how sorc can melt DKs.

A Templar uses blazing shield. DK vs Temp is practically the most balanced fight there is.

You build for the DK you're building just to fight 1v1, and the DK b/s is still superior to the NB b/s. I run a B/s shield with a resto. It's how I leveled to VR14 on my NB. A dk is running around with one build that is effective against every class and multiple players at a time. Have fun sap essence veil spamming in zerg groups with a b/s NB. Yawn.

Telling me that I don't understand is laughable. All I've asked for is Path to tick for 50 more damage and make NB immune to snares and roots while standing in it, and more base damage to Drain Power. That's for PvP utility. That's for siphon DPS caster utility in PvP. You're arguing against that for why?

Redlag · September 2014

pppontus wrote: »

mriguy1981 wrote: »

Sorry kego, u lost the argument. Get up to vr14 and go head to head against any dk and you'll see real fast that you can't win. In agroup your build is cool. Zerg feast..... its awesome. But it lacks unfortunetly. Not trying to be mean but dks just are op. Wish us nbs had a littke bit more to stand on but all dks know the truth. Its not winning or we are not emo but when there are a crap ton of threads about this issue, then maybe, just maybe we need to be compensated. I have recently rerolled to dk and I'm killing vr14s nbs at level 40, 8/10 times. Just sad.

Sorry but personally I don't need to level my NB to vr14 - you see I can think beyond casting spells at reflect so I'm fine at VR12, I faceroll every single DK who is stupid enough to even try to 1v1 me. Healing ward > GDB. Disease enchant on weapons. Shades and fear the living hell out of him. Drop VoB, you'd be surprised how many DKs think that because they're FoTM they can kill me in my veil. Oops, not even close.

With my AoE S/S Sap Essence + Veil bar I can hold my own against 10 DKs furiously whipping at me for as long as they want - my veil is up 100% of the time and they just can't figure out why they can't kill a lonely nightblade.

Now the main point of my post is that if you're moderately intelligent you can come up with builds that can accomplish anything with any class, and that can in turn be countered by something else. I think the main problem here is not that the DK FoTM build is especially OP, but that so many people are running it that other people really think it is and don't bother countering it because they're so stuck in the "OP NERF"-mindset.

The reflect spam is so easy to handle, put shades on him, drop a crippling grasp so he can't get up on you. Heavy attack all the time, he WILL run out of resources before you do, because he is using his while you are regenerating yours. Learn to smell his weakness and hit him when it hurts the most.

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LMAO, AHAHAHAHA

Here's some information against what you're obviously believing in your imagination. Root (talons) > Snare (crippling crippling crasp). Healing ward, that only works if the DK isn't spamming talons to break your cloak. Which is pretty amusing and looks quite desperate. Standing in your veil. AHAHAHAHA. Fasntasy PvP. You aren't sap-Veils against a DK. You aren't building crap for veil in a DK vs you fight. Go back to running in your zerg sap/veils. LMAO.

xMovingTarget · September 2014

TheBull wrote: »

NBs are the only class with 0 Mitigation, 0 Self Heal and it shows.

#buffBlur
@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

really? Funnel health, sap essence? I stand in 15 mobs on my NB and my health doesnt dare to drop below 80%.. 0 Selfheal. lol..

Redlag · September 2014

GoatKnuckle wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

GoatKnuckle wrote: »

Yep, you're definitely not whining...

And you definitely have no argument to what I've said. I've nullified his entire build with one spell, reducing him to a weak resto healer. Which he sounds like a group support healer in the first place telling me, when I try to create a siphon dps ranged build, that NBs are fine.

All I'm asking for is Path of Darkness to tick harder and make you immune to roots and snares while in it and to make Drain Power to hit a bit harder as a counter to spell reflect and usable in small scale (less the 4 targets) so it can go on my bar. Nothing overpowering.

See? You are still not whining. Do you need a hug? Bring it on in big guy.

The Goat doesn't see an argument here, just a string of emotive outbursts.

So you want Path of Darkness to hit harder? OK, it hits for crap ... I'll grant you that. You also want to add CC immunity to it. I agree that sounds like a lot of fun. Who wouldn't want a skill that increases your runspeed and provides CC immunity and would be spammable because the skill currently does not have a high resource cost. Not OP.

If you can control your ego, I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on how buffing drain power would be a counter against a spell reflect.

Putting me in the position I'm currently not in just so you can grope me is sly.

Yet,

Giving Path of Darkness immunity to snares and roots wouldn't be stronger than say streak, a teleport that does good damage and AoE stuns? Asking for things to put the NB on par with other classes isn't an ego or whining. NBs don't get anytime self heals like templar and Dk on the NB or damage mitigation like the other classes.

Just to clarify with everyone in this thread. I play every class. NBs are the weakest and it feels like a waste of time. That's my opinion, I play every class to know their weaknesses, to counter them effectively by knowing what their going to do before they do it. I'm telling you, aside from openers that are prone to wtf not hit hard a lot in PvP due to latency, there isn't much synergy in the class utility.

Archie · September 2014

Nightblade's stealth and shadow are broken. Any of you who see marginal, small issues with NBs have any comment on that? We are now - if you don't mind - Morningblades

Soulac · September 2014

A good player can win against any class, no matter what ur enemy use.
NB are rly rly strong.. you just need to play good and not like a ***.

Btw.. I´m a member of the biggest EU-Dueling guild "Arena" and we fighting each other every day since many months, so i think i have enough experience to know what i´m talking about.
DKs? Temps? Sorcs? No problem if u play well and know how to counter other builds.

so well.. if anyone is interested in a duel.. just write a PM or something.
I will fight everyone to show the real strength of a NB.

PS:
The arena guild is always looking for interested players

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

Soulac wrote: »

A good player can win against any class, no matter what ur enemy use.
NB are rly rly strong.. you just need to play good and not like a ***.

Btw.. I´m a member of the biggest EU-Dueling guild "Arena" and we fighting each other every day since many months, so i think i have enough experience to know what i´m talking about.
DKs? Temps? Sorcs? No problem if u play well and know how to counter other builds.

so well.. if anyone is interested in a duel.. just write a PM or something.
I will fight everyone to show the real strength of a NB.

PS:
The arena guild is always looking for interested players

I am not on EU servers but would be interested in watching video of your duels if you could make that happen.

Soulac · September 2014

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I am not on EU servers but would be interested in watching video of your duels if you could make that happen.

If u wanna see me dueling, fight against me or make a char on the EU-Server and watch a duel.

I will not make any videos, cause i don´t want to share my build that easy, so everyone could just copy it, sry.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

Soulac wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I am not on EU servers but would be interested in watching video of your duels if you could make that happen.

If u wanna see me dueling, fight against me or make a char on the EU-Server and watch a duel.

I will not make any videos, cause i don´t want to share my build that easy, so everyone could just copy it, sry.

I might just take you up on your offer and create a character on the EU server.

Rune_Relic · September 2014

helediron wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

It is still true that some Skills could need some love to make them more of an option.
Those skills would be from my perspective:

Assassination Skill Tree: ...snip...

This!

@Kego, while this thread is much ado about nothing, that is a very well thought out list. Having VR14 NB i can only concur. The buffs are in places where needed, while staying moderate.

Few comments:
- One morph of Blur could have burst heal. In another thread there was a great idea of changing miss chance to damage mitigation. Miss chance is not good against bosses.
- Siphoning attacks don't necessarily need buff, but it should tick twice often returning half of what it does now. Current values allow eternal cast of Funnel/LA on average, but create sometimes awfully long streaks of bad luck. I see often 30..40 casts without a proc.
- Would add a change to Funnel Health: Heal 3 allies instead of 2. That would be great for 4 person groups.

Is this the RNG yet again ?

Sav72 · September 2014

NB was outsourced... that is why we are broken!

killedbyping · September 2014

So any hope that NBs will get some love before i get old ?

Archie · September 2014

killedbyping wrote: »

So any hope that NBs will get some love before i get old ?

You are lucky! Some of us are already old and wondering if we will see the NB class work before the grave.

zhevon · October 2014

killedbyping wrote: »

So any hope that NBs will get some love before i get old ?

I don't know all the love we have gotten in the last 3 months has made us into a more broken less cohesive character.

Some of the general game mechanics are working much better than they used to but, but NB and stuff the NB have been encouraged to use like healing staffs are noticeably worse.

helediron · October 2014

Rune_Relic wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

- Siphoning attacks don't necessarily need buff, but it should tick twice often returning half of what it does now. Current values allow eternal cast of Funnel/LA on average, but create sometimes awfully long streaks of bad luck. I see often 30..40 casts without a proc.

Is this the RNG yet again ?

Yes, RNG issue.

Mojomonkeyman · October 2014

After harness nerf and s&b nerf, NB will be the most broken OP masterclass in the game.

There`s already no other class with such a variety of builds, with oneshot-builds (2,2k lethal arrow standard + light attack weave and camo hunter) that can escape at will while hitting targets from stealth who have no time to react. With bomb/tank builds en par with DK. The only class that has viable stam/hybrid dw builds.

This is not PvP. Opponents should have the opportunity to react and fight back.

NBs are already swarming Cyro like an army of little rats, broken overbuffed class...

@ZOS: Please go out in Cyro, play your own game and realize what a mess u made by listening to all the bads.

Razzak · October 2014

Soulac wrote: »

A good player can win against any class, no matter what ur enemy use.
NB are rly rly strong.. you just need to play good and not like a ***.

Btw.. I´m a member of the biggest EU-Dueling guild "Arena" and we fighting each other every day since many months, so i think i have enough experience to know what i´m talking about.
DKs? Temps? Sorcs? No problem if u play well and know how to counter other builds.

so well.. if anyone is interested in a duel.. just write a PM or something.
I will fight everyone to show the real strength of a NB.

PS:
The arena guild is always looking for interested players

Are you using staff as your main (only) weapon?

GwaynLoki · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

This is not PvP. Opponents should have the opportunity to react and fight back.

I am not alone...

Varicite · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

After harness nerf and s&b nerf, NB will be the most broken OP masterclass in the game.

What's the S&S nerf?

Mojomonkeyman · October 2014

As far as I understood from the summit records, blocking & attacking won`t be possible anymore. Something about a flat dmg reduction instead. It was a bit vague.

Varicite · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

As far as I understood from the summit records, blocking & attacking won`t be possible anymore. Something about a flat dmg reduction instead. It was a bit vague.

Ah, I saw something that said that they were looking into making blocking / attacking less effective, but I don't think there were any details regarding what they were actually considering.

Eh, will suck for my S&B characters, but I think it will prolly be better overall for the game to neuter the whole "hold block and spam magicka skills" meta for something a bit more dynamic.

Archie · October 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

After harness nerf and s&b nerf, NB will be the most broken OP masterclass in the game.

There`s already no other class with such a variety of builds, with oneshot-builds (2,2k lethal arrow standard + light attack weave and camo hunter) that can escape at will while hitting targets from stealth who have no time to react. With bomb/tank builds en par with DK. The only class that has viable stam/hybrid dw builds.

This is not PvP. Opponents should have the opportunity to react and fight back.

NBs are already swarming Cyro like an army of little rats, broken overbuffed class...

@ZOS: Please go out in Cyro, play your own game and realize what a mess u made by listening to all the bads.

Indeed... Blame it all on ZOS! We never wanted an OP class. We only wanted a working class.