Man, this is awesome! I love this idea. But why only 1%? Maybe 5%? If you leave 1-2 nodes with worms - still ok. If more - get penalty. Unfortunately, I doubt that ZOS will add this feature.

Seriously?? This is what you want devs to spend resources on now?

As I collect everything in the game I come in contact with this issue does not bother me by a long shot - if I find worms.. woohoo! more stuff for me to use/sell, on to the next node. Why would I care if someone else is not doing what I do?

I hardly think the issue is so serious as to necessitate dedicating limited dev resources which should be spent on far more important matters to something like this just because you are bothered by getting worms from a node.

Or they can just do the reasonable/easy thing and have the node auto go empty if someone leaves something that isn't a herb behind.

Soulshine wrote: »

Seriously?? This is what you want devs to spend resources on now?

As I collect everything in the game I come in contact with this issue does not bother me by a long shot - if I find worms.. woohoo! more stuff for me to use/sell, on to the next node. Why would I care if someone else is not doing what I do?

I hardly think the issue is so serious as to necessitate dedicating limited dev resources which should be spent on far more important matters to something like this just because you are bothered by getting worms from a node.

Leeric wrote: »

lol that's what were complaining about now....

Alchemy nodes don't regenerate if people leave the junk items in them. I too take everything, but some people don't, and the nodes just sit there waiting for someone to completely empty them. Which is why people leaving the worms and stuff behind is antisocial. Also @soulshine worms and plumb worms are 0Gold items, I think crayfish might be too, but I'm not 100% about that.

danovic wrote: »

When the herb has been looted and menu closed it should fade as if it empty even with worms on it. Worms are not herbs its empty. These nodes just bad programming. Either change the programing or make fishing work with provisioning then everyone would take the worms.

timidobserver wrote: »

Or they can just do the reasonable/easy thing and have the node auto go empty if someone leaves something that isn't a herb behind.

Well that would be my choice too, but it's been suggested and it hasn't happened, so I'm suggesting the increasing chance of getting nothing, on the basis it probably hasn't been suggested before.

To be honest either option would probably work, but the Devs doing nothing won't.

Soulshine wrote: »

IClearly there are - again - way more important things in the game to be bothered by and that are impacting every single one of us than some ppl not "farming nodes correctly."

You're right. There are.

Like my low level alt not having any jute to collect due to some v14 character farming it and leaving only worms behind and then telling me to suck it up when I call them out on it in zone chat and ask them to stop.

You use the worms? Good for you! Fishing in this game is incredibly boring and I don't wish to partake of it. I don't appreciate when people leave tons of nodes with just worms, leaving me with nothing and the nodes not respawning, making it difficult for my character to keep up on gear as I level up.

chipputer wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

IClearly there are - again - way more important things in the game to be bothered by and that are impacting every single one of us than some ppl not "farming nodes correctly."

You're right. There are.

Like my low level alt not having any jute to collect due to some v14 character farming it and leaving only worms behind and then telling me to suck it up when I call them out on it in zone chat and ask them to stop.

You use the worms? Good for you! Fishing in this game is incredibly boring and I don't wish to partake of it. I don't appreciate when people leave tons of nodes with just worms, leaving me with nothing and the nodes not respawning, making it difficult for my character to keep up on gear as I level up.

If you were playing the game at launch, you would know that far more often than not, you would not have had the opportunity to farm ANYTHING as bots in the game were everywhere and narry a node of anything was to be found.

Thankfully that is not happening now. If higher level players are depleting mats in the area you are in, you do have the option to move on to a different area where that player is not. I have plenty of alts at low level zones at this time and they are not having the issues you speak of. I don't just scope out one area to farm mats if I need them, they are easily found all over the map. When on my baby alts, I too have seen VRs farming the mats I want. I move to a different area, problemo solved.

Suggesting to the devs that the solution to this issue is to penalize players for not farming nodes as you want them to is not the message to send.

Once you open that door, it is only going to lead down a very ugly road, very fast and is frnakly not the kind of thing I would want to see start happening in this game.

Soulshine wrote: »

Deciding it is a good idea to start penalizing players over this just appears petty and it is not something I would ever support.

I can respect that position, especially as you yourself collect the worms and the like.

But from my perspective it's just as petty to leave behind junk items knowing full well it prevents the node from respawning with more items. Which is why I'm suggesting it.

Yes it's petty, but it's to counter another form of petty behaviour. But as I say I can respect your position.

Or instead of suggesting a crappy mechanic, I have a better idea.

If no alchemy components remains in a node, it will now diseppear after a minut or two and create a new random node on the map.

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Or instead of suggesting a crappy mechanic, I have a better idea.

If no alchemy components remains in a node, it will now diseppear after a minut or two and create a new random node on the map.

KenjiJU wrote: »

Turn the node into a dirt clod/dirt pile on the ground if there's only bugs in it. Have it despawn after a minute.

Or

Alternatively, all nodes start with dirt clusters, but the resource must be gathered firstly, then you can harvest the dirt cluster below for bugs and random garbage.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Deciding it is a good idea to start penalizing players over this just appears petty and it is not something I would ever support.

I can respect that position, especially as you yourself collect the worms and the like.

But from my perspective it's just as petty to leave behind junk items knowing full well it prevents the node from respawning with more items. Which is why I'm suggesting it.

Yes it's petty, but it's to counter another form of petty behaviour. But as I say I can respect your position.

It might not be necessary at all once the junk filter actually works (which they're implementing at some point.)

As I said earlier, I have no problem with the alchemy node respawning if it lacks alchemy ingredients, in fact I support several people who suggested that, but it hasn't happened yet.

I hadn't heard about the junk filter though, I hope it does sort out the problem, but if it doesn't, well we can keep asking them for solutions to it.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

The thing is, I'm sure it happens a lot of the time without bad intentions. For example, when I loot nodes, I always hit the take all button. However, I frequently hit the inventory space cap, so only the reagent comes out, and I have to leave the worms there. I'm betting I'm not the only one this happens to, so we effectively get penalized for filling our inventories and not going out of our ways to make someone else's life easier. We can't be punished for not helping people, that's not fair. Even a low chance is more of a chance than I had before.

To be honest, this is probably the least important issue in the game to me. If I find just worms, it's slightly frustrating, but I move on and find the next node.

That's basically what I just wanted to write, too. I always "take all", but if the inventory is full, the worm stays.
Back then when I was new to the game, I had the very exact same thoughts like the OP when I found just worms instead of a flower etc. But the more it happened to myself that the inventory was full and I could only harvest the flower (or clothing material), the more I understood it's probably not even on purpose when others leave a worm behind.

I would imagine that if someone picks up a plant that worms were on, they would fall to the ground and squirm away. A better solution would just be to have the game automatically remove the worms after a few seconds if the main plant was taken.

LOL..lets penalize players instead of just fixing the BAD PROGRAMMING?

NO.

Worms should just be an ingredient in high argonian gastronomy, not just the plump ones. If they make those items alchemical, as well as provisioning, and fishing materials the problem is solved. Speaking of which, I really wish that this game had the crossover of materials that Skyrim had. I loved the way Salt and Wheat both worked to benefit both Cooking and Alchemy in that game.

I also miss other materials such as Vampire Dust, Bone Meal, Frost Salts, Fire Salts, Giant's Toe, Trama Root, Scathecrew, Honey, Wisp Wrappings, Ice wraith teeth, etc etc. I realize with the way the MMO is designed, that my wish of a deeper alchemy system is only going to bite me in the backside if they fulfill it, but it does strike me as odd how the Provisioning system is actually has more 'recipes'. The only downside of Provisioning is that there is no experimentation, which is part of the fun of Alchemy traditionally in TES games. That being said, it really doesn't take too much to experiment your way to completion.

I agree with most of the previous posts, but the problem is the way the nodes are implemented: All treasure chests and crafting nodes or containers should be phased to the individual player. This would eliminate a ton of problems and some friction between players (this post is a perfect example).

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@AlexDougherty‌ How about tying the respawn timer to the Alchemical item (not the supplemental)?

This way, there is no added programming involved to tack onto those that leave parts behind, and the respawn of the item everyone is primarily looking for is exactly the same.

The only other addition to this I'd recommend is to change the appearance of the node (make it look withered, for instance) so those looking for alchemical components know to skip that one. Those looking for worms can have at it.

This makes Alchemical gatherers happy. This makes bait gatherers happy. No one loses any time one way or the other.

As I've said I have no problem with that idea, It's just people have suggested multiple times, and the devs haven't done it.