Braidas wrote: »

apparently they're removing the caps on damaging aoe's but reducing their effectiveness by a scaled percentage after some amount of targets hit.

Shouldn't you have started that with "BRAIDAS says"...

Annulment no longer gives a 50% damage reduction and is 150% bigger.


Interesting.

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

So it stacks for more HP but doesnt provide DR while the shield lasts?

Yeah. Idk exactly how to feel about this but I sorta like the change. Oh and they said it only returns mana on spells.. So they fixed the bug where weapon damage made harness return mana.

You forgot to throw in a Streak+Swarm in that as well...the ZOS Meta for Cyrodiil

Xallus wrote: »

sean.plackerb14_ESO wrote: »

Information from the PVP segment of the ESO guild summit. The PVP Q and A, as well as a lot more information about the future of ESO in general is available at the link bellow.

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit/

More information from the second day of the guild summit avaliable at the link below. I put most of the stuff that I feel applies to PVP directly below though. Topics being discussed today include combat and abilites, lore, justice system, zones and content.

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit-day2/

AoE Target Cap Updates

Eric recognized the current meta of stacking in AoE and distributing damage throughout your group. This isn’t the gameplay ZOS wants, they want large groups of abilities to be vulnerable to AoE and afraid of AoE. Some important concerns to consider with increasing the AoE cap are:

• Effect on Ultimate generation
  
• Application of secondary effects (stuns, CCs)
  
• Additional server load
  
• Effects on PvE balance
  
• The solution ZOS is currently considering involves healing remaining capped at 6 targets, but AoE damage being unlimited in the number of targets it can affect, but subjecting that damage to a damage falloff effect where as an AoE hits more and more targets the damage dealt to additional targets decreases by some scaled percentage.

So pulse groups will be more or less required on any siege? And they'll be more devastating than before? Unless I'm understanding this wrong, PvP is going to turn into needing a full group running pulse and immovable. The only two skills you need to wipe full raids atm, and its gonna get worse?

Yes.. you are reading it wrong....The only reason those groups stay alive now is because they can't be instant killed by large amounts of AoE.

You remove that cap...and they can run pulse and immovable all they want..But unless they instant kill that raid at the start of the fight, It's going to end up like DAOC where they'll eventually be overwhelmed.

What you're going to see is Impulse groups like you're talking about being forced to sneak up on the enemy and hitting them when they stack in an area.

Even then, if they get hit from behind by another bomb group they'll die incredibly fast as well.

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

All they need to do is max ult generation from AoE out at a limited # and you can remove AoE Caps.

Huge ult generation is a reason to have an AoE cap.
Zergballs are a reason to not have AoE caps.

Solution is remove AoE caps but AoE cap ultimate generation.

Why not make the ultimate a time based regeneration instead?

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Monsoon wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

All they need to do is max ult generation from AoE out at a limited # and you can remove AoE Caps.

Huge ult generation is a reason to have an AoE cap.
Zergballs are a reason to not have AoE caps.

Solution is remove AoE caps but AoE cap ultimate generation.

Why not make the ultimate a time based regeneration instead?

NO, i cannot stress how Bad and horrible of an idea that is, we allready had it on a timer and ruined the game for a whole lot of people. its now no longer on a timer and needs to remain that way.

So you think it is better to have it helping people who spam aoes to multiple targets so they can refill their batswarm faster so they can kill more people to more firerings to recharge their ultimate even faster time the 20 people in the zerg...brilliant

Monsoon wrote: »

So ZOS wants more AOE zergs and one trick pony groups spamming aoes...got it. I think we are being trolled...there is no way the answer to fixing a problem is to make the problem even more damaging and encouraging people to do it.

Are you trying to reduce the amount of players to lower lag by making people leave the game because I think it is working. I bet the lag will be gone in December when we are down to one server with 2 bars as full pop

You really have no clue whats going on do ya.

Monsoon wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Monsoon wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

All they need to do is max ult generation from AoE out at a limited # and you can remove AoE Caps.

Huge ult generation is a reason to have an AoE cap.
Zergballs are a reason to not have AoE caps.

Solution is remove AoE caps but AoE cap ultimate generation.

Why not make the ultimate a time based regeneration instead?

NO, i cannot stress how Bad and horrible of an idea that is, we allready had it on a timer and ruined the game for a whole lot of people. its now no longer on a timer and needs to remain that way.

So you think it is better to have it helping people who spam aoes to multiple targets so they can refill their batswarm faster so they can kill more people to more firerings to recharge their ultimate even faster time the 20 people in the zerg...brilliant

Abilities already have a cap on how much ultimate each activation can give per skill.

Also you're not going to kill anyone Batswarming right now if he's around 6 people unless you specifically drop oil them.. and even then they will probably heal through it..So having it hit 20 people (and lets be honest, if 20 of you [snip] are standing there getting batswarmed over and over you deserve to die) makes no difference.

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Monsoon wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You really have no clue whats going on do ya.

Please enlighten me and translate...

"Eric recognized the current meta of stacking in AoE and distributing damage throughout your group. This isn’t the gameplay ZOS wants, they want large groups of abilities to be vulnerable to AoE and afraid of AoE"

So what else does it mean besides more aoe? please tell me

Large groups = zergs unless I am mistaken

Right now, the larger the group you're in..the less damage you take from AoE's. Now generally the only ones benefiting from this right now are the impulse bomb groups and the occasional zerg stacking on the flags right now. Large un-organized zergs generally do not stack enough to get benefit from this.

After the patch..Impulse Groups will have to sneak up on Large Groups to bomb them. There will be no stacking on objectives, no running around in a big train spamming Impulse..Because you simply won't be able to out heal the amount of crap that's going to be pelted on you.

in DAOC Bomb Groups like this generally had to Speed6 into a stack and then ball mez before bombing it. This game doesn't have anything close to Speed6, so every single impulse group you see today is going to have to sneak up on a clump to bomb.

At that point they either have to wipe the zerg or most of it..Or they're going to be overwhelmed.

Now you're probably wondering..how will this result in less AoE? Because right now AoE is the only viable method of playing in these groups..If you stay stacked you simply take less damage...once stacking is bad people will stop doing it..if people aren't stacking its generally best to pick them out with single target abilities that do more damage and take them down. So initial hits will be AoE like they are now..But then everyone will spread out and single target abilities will be used.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

...
Now you're probably wondering..how will this result in less AoE? Because right now AoE is the only viable method of playing in these groups..If you stay stacked you simply take less damage...once stacking is bad people will stop doing it..if people aren't stacking its generally best to pick them out with single target abilities that do more damage and take them down. So initial hits will be AoE like they are now..But then everyone will spread out and single target abilities will be used.

As a single-target build, looking very forward to this day.

Monsoon wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Also you're not going to kill anyone Batswarming right now if he's around 6 people unless you specifically drop oil them.. and even then they will probably heal through it..So having it hit 20 people (and lets be honest, if 20 of you [snip] are standing there getting batswarmed over and over you deserve to die) makes no difference.

I am done with you...when you start insulting people you have lost the argumentation

You get killed by Batswarm BEFORE you even know you are in a swarm because of lag and the fact that 10 people are batswarming on top of you and some are invisible abusing the inv potion exploit...so please don t act as if there is no lag...the people abusing these aoes know it very well the only purpose of stacking as many aoes is to screw with the server and hope to lag the enemy since aoe seems to be prioritized

Please continue lecturing me as if there was no exploits, no lag and no abuses of shield stacking and invisible exploits.In a perfect word without lag it would be possible to escape the AD zergs...on Thornblade it is almost impossible

I am curious...what faction do you play?

I know exactly when i'm about to be batswarmed...they're also not abusing invisible potions.. one of the morphs of batswarm makes you invisible. The reason you're getting the lag in the first place is because of all the checks it has to do every tic of damage to select people in range since its hitting 6 random people every time. This is whats overwhelming the server. This is why the server grinds to a halt once you get these zerg balls in an area. This won't happen after they change the AoE caps.

As for the other crap about no exploits/lag/abuse of shield stacking I have no bloody clue where you even get that from...There is clearly some exploiting you can do, There is most certainly lag, and Shield Stacking is a thing...But you clearly don't grasp what is going on in PvP.

and Daggerfall Covenant is what i play under.

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u guys reading the latest update?

AoE caps will be removed. Damage will be to unlimited number of enemies *BUT* the higher the number, the less damage you'll get to balance it out.

it's perfect.

and the 2H buff?



Yes. I'm extending my sub for another 6 months.

GJ ZOS.

Stupid questions:
What are stamina builds going to spam? What AOEs? (and I mean serious stuff..not dw or 2h so called skills)
What are those people going to do? move out of the castle? cuz that's pretty much what we've been doing lately with the AD zerg+ "elite" guilds+ over skilled emp spamming impulse and bats...
(sure...let's try somewhere else?..nope ..can't do cuz they have death port to get to you in 20 sec--> We lost the campaign in 12 hours because of a deathport )
Aren't stamina builds already scarce/useless in this game? now to pvp you must have group and impulse/bats on skillbar? wth (ganking is not pvp for the ones thinking this)