Grim13 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Fact is:

1. They attempted to make stealth harder by increasing detection radius for all classes. This make stealth better for NB with abilities that enhance stealth. Especially for some races. A direct response regarding input and desires of NB community. (Sneak is overused and too effective among all classes)
2. They attempted to fix cloak by making it resist certain abilities and attacks from breaking it. Once again a direct response from input from the NB community. (And continue to work on)
3. ZOS has and does respond to these threads. It is wrong to suggest they are somehow using them as a means to reduce tensions without having to do anything or to assert they are intentionally lying or deceiving us regarding their intent for NB. They are not. They have been very clear as to what their intent is. They merely have not delivered on it yet. (I think they will but it's a more complex issue than we or they admit to.)

I do think they will eventually get to the bottom of it but will it be too little too late? Who knows...guess we'll see when we get there.

Fact is: you have no idea whether any of that is actually true or not. So, how about you stop being as baseless as the people you are accusing of it.

Your actually trying to argue this? lols
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It's pretty self evident if you've been paying attention. These things don't happen in a vacuum and for no reason. They are attempts at balancing. It's a fail to be sure until fixes actually work, but I'm at least going to give credit were it's due.

Considering the amount of stealth related things they *** up last patch you're making quite the leap... While we'll never know for sure... I'd say ZOS' track record backs me up more than you.

1) is a complete guess on your part. total hilarity.

2) only they didn't fix it. they've made it worse... and caused many other stealth issues.

3) Yes, ZOS do occasionally communicate in these threads. However, "It is wrong to suggest they are somehow using them as a means to reduce tensions without having to do anything or to assert they are intentionally lying or deceiving us regarding their intent for NB. They are not. They have been very clear as to what their intent is. They merely have not delivered on it yet." is more guesswork. Truth is: giving a date for fixes... and then failing to fix them... and then failing to set a new date leaves A LOT of room open to lean towards them deceiving us. In fact, as I said above, their track record favors the cynical over you.

It's not wrong because it's not an assumption. We have direct feedback from ZoS here whom have contact with the Dev team and have and continue to liaison between us and them.

We have multiple threads giving feedback to them about issues and have ZoS's responses to those threads. Furthermore they've given answers regarding these issues followed up with patches dealing with them. Sorry bud but they didn't show up to work one day asking themselves how they could fluff up the game some more. They tweaked stealth in direct response to the input from the community and jacked it up. It wasn't intentional, they already cleared up what stealth and cloak are supposed to be like and mention they are working to get it right.

You want to be mad at ZoS and give them no props. Good for you. You want to feel like your insignificant to them, I can't help you there. It's plain to see. They are not perfect and certainly could handle the issue better IMO but to act like the game isn't effected by the community and that ZoS doesn't hear simply doesn't bear out.


*corrected awkward sentence for better clarity.

well.. 16 pages, 10 patches and the fail continues.. I think next patch they should make the skill ' becomes invulnerable, cannot attack ' - I mean, it should be easy, there's a lot of people around in Cyrodill using this 'mod' somehow.. this way, if it doesn't get fixed, 'oh well..' - NBs will not complain because most want's a skill to disengage and being visible, invisible or flying doesn't matter at all.

only then, this does not become a NB issue but a 'Game' issue and then... we shall see it fixed.

Perhaps you should see how effective your stealth is when you invest a higher % in stamina ? If the sneak effect is now variable....and if it has been tuned....

Junkogen wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

elowan wrote: »

I personally think that stealth should be possible for all characters (in step with the "play how you want" philosophy), but that NBs should have a notable advantage. Shadows and stealth are the bread and butter of the straight shadow-assassin style NB, and I think it's appropriate. To be absolutely clear, I don't say that as a 100% NB player, either. My main is a V10 sorc, and I have a VR2 DK as well. I don't feel like my nord sorc should be able to achieve the same level of stealthiness as my made-to-sneak wood elf NB.

The problem is that only 2 races get a stealth bonus and they're both in the same alliance. Any other NB only gets the medium armor bonus. They should do something with the shadow passives or something to give all NBs a distinct advantage.

You mean a stamina based class skill ?
stone him....hang him....duck him.....string him to a tree and rip out his guts.

*gasp*

We must never speak of this "s" word again.

Yeah...yeah.
I got my eye on you

I haven't played my NB since the 1.4 patch because of the sneak speed bug. Last night I got around to playing for a bit and although that's fixed, stealth sucks now. Before the patch, when I inv. the mob would just stand there or turn around but would stop attacking. Now I inv. and the mob continues to track me and attack me. I inv and normally run around behind them and attack again but not they are tracking you, they turn to keep facing you and attack you while your inv. This really sucks, all that magicka for what?

The patch and hotfix seemed to improve stealth for me but patch 1.4.5 seems to have broken it again; I'm getting detected in stealth mode approaching from the rear.

Enemy attacks are still breaking cloak. Sometimes it just breaks the moment I cast it for no apparent reason. It's getting exhausting always being short on mana, just because I have to cast everything twice.

morvegil wrote: »

So any fix on the "I cant stealth for 20 seconds for no reason"? I seriously had to HIDE behind a tree and keep popping in and out of stealth for it to work. ONe time when this happens I stayed crouched for FIVE minutes..then toggled and it worked.


Its getting annoying. Sometimes i can fire a shot or retreat from a battle and i can stealth fine. Other times? Im stuck where i cant stealth.

Sucks being a NB in this game.

Pijama NB or nothing. Its fine they say. Turn gandalf lol.

MrMT wrote: »

Seeing that it appears nightblade is no longer intended to be an extra stealthy class, I wonder what its unique style is meant to be. Siphoning?

sucking balls so yeah siphoning

I have had enough of being a nightblade. Just logged off because constantly being detected for no reason (only in pvp). Mark a player and hit then i am permanently (just to clarify dev's) permanently detected. Cannot stealth again till I'm dead. Which doesn't take long because NB's are weak melee choices. After the last mini patch, it worked like it used to, only got detected as should be expected. Today, I was being detected whenever a player from my faction came near again. Until this has been remedied they should get rid of nightblade altogether and let us re-assign our character with all points reset to current level. A game full of overpowered DK's and sorcerors appears to be the direction they wish this game to go. If I can't use my current build as a NB then this game is over for me.

Whats WoD?

Warlords of Draenor maybe, a <shudder> World of Warcraft expansion.

Maybe that's what the deal is, we got two groups of gamers, one favoring spamming skills style of play, and another group wanting some challenge. That would essentially mean one group will not like changes made to the game for any reason, all the time, perpetually being unhappy, with this flipping from one group to the other depending on what gets effected. If more skill required, spammers get upset, more spamming required, skilled players get upset.

Pick one Z, you can't be a politician about this.

I wonder why the moderator posts, that gave many of us such hope for a while, have stopped cold. Just some information would be nice.

Knowing:
(A) It is working as intended, so if you don't enjoy the new stealth doesn't really do much reliably, switch to a different build, class, or game.
OR
(B) We, Zeni, get it. Stealth and Shadow Cloak are bugged and we are working on fixes. Here is the intended state . . . Hang in there, we expect the next patch to be . . .

Information can be invaluable when you are frustrated, as many of us are.

I had almost overcome my altoholism. This time, I said to myself, this time around I will stick to just one character. And stick I did! All those others were just mules, parked at the bank and otherwise untouched. But now, look what you've done!

Not only do I now play one of each class in every alliance, no, I even rerolled a NB on PTS and thanks to not being able to decide between them, won't really progress anymore. It's a shame, really. I had almost made it.