This is a god awful change. Oil is the only counter atm to massive zergballs. Remove this, and there's literally no deterrent to just stacking on flags to cap it.

It's already happening with oils available. People are stacking on flags and purging and healing through oils constantly pouring. Remove oils, and there's literally no chance for a smaller group to defend against a large group.

Do ZoS "pvp developers" even play this freaking game? Sometimes their ideas are straight up boneheaded with zero foresight. And this is one of those times. Freaking imbecilic. Brian wheeler, you and your team are singlehandedly ruining this game.

Against it - here is why: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/133908/why-i-am-against-the-proposed-changes-to-oil-warning-long/p1

I personally don't like the raw suggestion at all, but maybe something else is needed.

How about they don't change the oil mechanics, but just reduce the areas where you can place oil to only a predefined list of locations.

These would include:
a) Keeps
b) Resources
c) Outposts
d) Scroll Temples
f) certain intentionally created choke points like: scroll gates, Alessia bridge and certain gates you have to pass to get to enemy keeps.

Basically, limit the areas you can place them to only those of strategic importance. People are always aware that there will be oil at those locations so they'll be prepared to deal with it. It also means you will still be able to hold larger groups of players at strategically important choke-points, which I personally think is currently working well, if not as originally intended.

However you will no longer be able to continue the (pretty funny, yet) unfair practice of hiding oil pots behind trees or rocks or inside random structures and effectively be ganking people with huge and unexpected oil damage.

What do you think?

No

yea, they need to give us a spell we can use to stop the oil ticks..."oh wait..purge."
OK then, maybe something to prevent the oil hitting all together.."oh wait..replenishing barrier."
But I don't like slotting spells and using them as the devs intended teacher!!..what then? "Sorry there's nothing else except spells...oh wait..each oil has 4 seconds between pours where you can literally knock and stun the pourer off siege and kill them."
Counting?...I gotta count?...no way!! I'm not here to count..wheres my one win button??. "Range them."

100% for this change. It's become just lazy combat tactics and from the looks of the Imperial City I think something had to be done.

This change should not go live -- yet.

This should not be changed until there is some inherent change in the function of AEs and/or zergballing. Things that possibly should be updated before the oil is nerfed in effectiveness is:

1. AE Cap increase or removal
2. Forward Camp updates to prevent constant spawn rushing
3. Increase in HP of castle walls and doors to allow more defense to be mustered.
4. Update of Stamina builds to be competitive in PVP.

THEN look at changing the oils.

The only way I could see any oil change right now that would be valid is to make them so you can't use them outside of a Keep, Resource Node, or Scroll Temple's grounds. This prevents the 'random oil in a field or house' garbage.

I myself love this change; but I also worry about what will happen because of it.

When this change gets implemented, how are we going to stop the zerg blobs? we can't AOE them down, oil obviously wont kill them, streak was changed(I say changed, not nerfed, because I don't believe it was nerfed, but that's for another thread) siege weapons don't do anywhere NEAR enough damage to kill them; we obviously cant send in tons-of-health-having melee players, so, after this change, what will the counter to zergs be?

if this change does get implemented, then zerg blobs will have to be dealt with once and for all along with it. Im not going to say "remove AoE caps" because I was around when they were not on, and do remember one player with batswarm killing almost 20 players single handedly(ah, good times. lol)

I don't know how to fix the zerg blob problem: every possible solution that I have seen and/or thought of, would simply bring up more problems if it where to be implemented; but these zerg blobs MUST be dealt with, if this change to oil is applied; otherwise, the game will TRULY be all zerg/impulse blobing(save for blackwater blade, maybe)

on the bright side, it would stop the cheesy tactic of players setting up oil in the middle of a field/right on a flag, and/or hiding in a tiny room with it like a bunch of cowards(one time an enemy tried to sneak attack me with oil. it was pretty hilarious. She failed epically, and was exterminated for her stupidity 30 seconds later. lol)

If this goes live the same ppl wanting this will be wondering why their breaches are being overrun so easily now and they will cry about that.

I also wouldn't call it lazy but also when you can use a macro it isn't that hard. Hov is right though it is not easy to drop one in the heat of battle in the right spot while trying to stay alive and it adds another dynamic to battles. But I also think when your skill rotation revolves around a few class skills and dropping an oil pot, albeit effective, doesn't say a lot about your gameplay and/or skills. I know an EP sorc that . . . . well we all know the name.

Really not sure what Zenimax intended with Oil pots as in real world military history they were employed as a defensive measure for keeps and castles but then again Napalm was used offensively throughout the 20th Century. But this is Tamriel - anything goes

While oil as PBAoE launcher looks stupid, I am not sure about benefits of change (especially if not combined e.g. with change to keep layout to offer more/better spots to use it) and I am sure there are more pressing issues to be addressed.

I can't wait.

It's the dumbest looking thing in the game atm. I understand that it is certainly needed, but it should not be able to be played the way it has been. The current version is too unbelievable even for a fantasy setting.