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Resto Staff Cycle of Life change, no skill point refund?
Skizer78
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Correct me if I am in error but I thought that previously when a skill or passsive was changed, that it was customary to receive your skill points back. If this change made was something that you didn't not want for your build, it would seem like the right thing to do would be to give you your points back and let you place them as you choose. I myself am not to worried about the points as I still seem to have one more point than the shrine is willing to refund me and I am ok with the extra magicka return, but those that are not happy about the change deserve the right to place their points as they see fit instead of paying for a full respec.
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SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭With this nerf I'm not sure what I want to do with my templar. I went and played and the nerf is noticeable. It's not just a nerf to damage but to healing as well. I could switch to destro staff for a damage bar but I use all class abilities and none appear to synergise with destro elemental damage.
Any weapon suggestions? Switch to sword and board and block all day?3 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭SoulScream wrote: »With this nerf I'm not sure what I want to do with my templar. I went and played and the nerf is noticeable. It's not just a nerf to damage but to healing as well. I could switch to destro staff for a damage bar but I use all class abilities and none appear to synergise with destro elemental damage.
Any weapon suggestions? Switch to sword and board and block all day?
The fact that merely "holding" this one weapon gave a 10% damage/healing boost, and that you are "perplexed" as to what you should "hold" now, is indicative that this fix/nerf was sorely needed.10 -
SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »With this nerf I'm not sure what I want to do with my templar. I went and played and the nerf is noticeable. It's not just a nerf to damage but to healing as well. I could switch to destro staff for a damage bar but I use all class abilities and none appear to synergise with destro elemental damage.
Any weapon suggestions? Switch to sword and board and block all day?
The fact that merely "holding" this one weapon gave a 10% damage/healing boost, and that you are "perplexed" as to what you should "hold" now, is indicative that this fix/nerf was sorely needed.
I don't agree at all. Other weapons give boosts were they all nerfed? If I were a sorc I would gladly use destro as it would synergise well with the elemental class skills. Do you have anything constructive to say or just trolling?5 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭SoulScream wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »With this nerf I'm not sure what I want to do with my templar. I went and played and the nerf is noticeable. It's not just a nerf to damage but to healing as well. I could switch to destro staff for a damage bar but I use all class abilities and none appear to synergise with destro elemental damage.
Any weapon suggestions? Switch to sword and board and block all day?
The fact that merely "holding" this one weapon gave a 10% damage/healing boost, and that you are "perplexed" as to what you should "hold" now, is indicative that this fix/nerf was sorely needed.
I don't agree at all. Other weapons give boosts were they all nerfed? If I were a sorc I would gladly use destro as it would synergise well with the elemental class skills. Do you have anything constructive to say or just trolling?
Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills.
I'll wait.5 -
SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »With this nerf I'm not sure what I want to do with my templar. I went and played and the nerf is noticeable. It's not just a nerf to damage but to healing as well. I could switch to destro staff for a damage bar but I use all class abilities and none appear to synergise with destro elemental damage.
Any weapon suggestions? Switch to sword and board and block all day?
The fact that merely "holding" this one weapon gave a 10% damage/healing boost, and that you are "perplexed" as to what you should "hold" now, is indicative that this fix/nerf was sorely needed.
I don't agree at all. Other weapons give boosts were they all nerfed? If I were a sorc I would gladly use destro as it would synergise well with the elemental class skills. Do you have anything constructive to say or just trolling?
Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills.
I'll wait.
I'm not going to wait till you're intelligent enough to understand that holding things in this game gives bonuses. I got nerfed and I can either A accept it or B look at alternatives that are good. You're the kind of depressed negative person that will choose A and just bend over every time. We are like oil and water. I don't have time to look up every skill, I'm looking for suggestions on a different weapon.
If there was a problem with the resto being to powerful of an offensive weapon it would have been better to nerf its offense and leave the bonus to healing.
The nerf makes my templar feel weaker in damage and healing, I'm not sure the class needed that.3 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills.
I'll wait.
Alright, that's it. Own up, who are you and what have you done with OG1?I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills.
I'll wait.
Alright, that's it. Own up, who are you and what have you done with OG1?
... "This is OG1! I don't have much time, he'll be back any second! I am trapped in an Indian call center! The smell! Oh, the smell!! You have to get me out of here! I am in..."
*static*
Some nerfs make sense. The resto staff one falls into that category.
And to SoulScream, there AREN'T any other weapon skill passives that affect ALL damage/healing. Every other weapon skill passive affects only that weapon's skills' damage.5 -
SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭I don't care at this point it's not like the nerf will be rolled back. What else is good?0
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?3 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭SoulScream wrote: »I don't care at this point it's not like the nerf will be rolled back. What else is good?
This is, to me, the biggest 'personal choice' in ESO. Classes often have 'given' skills that you take whatever you're doing, stats can to a large degree be optimised regardless of role, but more than anything else, your weapon depends on your playstyle. You're also going to be hammering that free attack half the time, so it's gotta be something you're comfortable with.
I, for example, loved the sound of the resto staff. Tried it during beta though, and found I couldn't stand waving my staff in a constant circle like I was frigging Harry Potter. As I've said many times, best thing to do is bust out a PTS template and try them out.I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.0 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah, kinda lost interested in PVE for my NB. My NB is still good for PVP though. Loss of 10% ranged dps isn't going to ruin my pvp game, especially since sorcs in PVP also got nerfed with this change.killedbyping wrote: »P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?Edited by Aeratus on September 29, 2014 5:39PM1 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?
It's a restoration staff, not a DPS staff, so that makes sense.
I was just recently leveling destro instead and I'm not complaining. Will level dual wield after, as that seem to be a more "classic" NB weapon. I will still use the resto staff if I'm healing through a dungeon, as our skills that heal others are not very good.
Long live the NightBlades!The Moot Councillor4 -
midnight_tea✭✭✭You people are depressing me.
Yes, 10% damage increase gone is a noticeable change, but it's not like resto staff became useless out of a sudden. Healing is still stronger with resto, absorbing spells while blocking always useful and the mana return with heavy attack - always great. I have no substantial reason to drop resto, either when it comes to my healer or DPS characters.4 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Since they actually decided to actually do this stupid nerf. I say nerf Shield +Weapon change one of their passive to a 20% damage done reduction at 2 points and 30% without with non sword and board. The fact that the greatest defense and greatest mobility does the same damage with class skills as anyone else is just unacceptable. Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa. neref pls.
Also the passives from DW should only apply to DW.onlinegamer1 wrote: »Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills.
I'll wait.
Twin Blade and Blunt. from DW. Stop Waiting
Edited by PBpsy on September 29, 2014 6:31PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭If you were holding the stick, that passive was increasing all skills damage on bar, not only resto staff abilities.1 -
midnight_tea✭✭✭Twin Blade and Blunt only works while dual wielding and only with specific weapons so I'm not sure why you mention it.5
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Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
Glad you finally figured out that a healing staff isn't meant as a primary dps weapon.
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Just as a stamina build isn't supposed to be a dpser.killedbyping wrote: »Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
Glad you finally figured out that a healing staff isn't meant as a primary dps weapon.
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✭1. It's a passive, you are still being benefited by it in some way.
2. do you actually pick and choose which passives you have? or do you just have a lack of skill points?
3. The passive wasn't working correctly, I don't even think that the damage did anything and that it was a typo in the tool tip
4. They said when there is a large change to a skill line/class they will give free respecs. they wont give a skill point every time an ability is changed in some way.Edited by bosmern_ESO on September 29, 2014 6:49PM~Thallen~0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭midnight_tea wrote: »Twin Blade and Blunt only works while dual wielding and only with specific weapons so I'm not sure why you mention it.
It was a response to the question. "Name one other weapon skill passive that affects all damage/healing? All. As in, not restricted to just that weapon's skills, but ALL skills."
Twin Blade and Blunt affects every class skill damage.
Cycle of life only worked with Resto while using Resto while being healthy. I will not continue to say what I think about your post since I will get banned.Edited by PBpsy on September 29, 2014 6:50PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
In terms of single target dps, destro adds nothing to a NB. Might as well replace the resto staff with a 2h sword.killedbyping wrote: »I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?
It's a restoration staff, not a DPS staff, so that makes sense.
I was just recently leveling destro instead and I'm not complaining. Will level dual wield after, as that seem to be a more "classic" NB weapon. I will still use the resto staff if I'm healing through a dungeon, as our skills that heal others are not very good.
Long live the NightBlades!1 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?
It's a restoration staff, not a DPS staff, so that makes sense.
I was just recently leveling destro instead and I'm not complaining. Will level dual wield after, as that seem to be a more "classic" NB weapon. I will still use the resto staff if I'm healing through a dungeon, as our skills that heal others are not very good.
Long live the NightBlades!
The irony is, Destro is way worse on NB. Even for AOE its just BAD on NB.
And where is my Play how you wish again ?Edited by killedbyping on September 29, 2014 7:11PM1 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?
It's a restoration staff, not a DPS staff, so that makes sense.
I was just recently leveling destro instead and I'm not complaining. Will level dual wield after, as that seem to be a more "classic" NB weapon. I will still use the resto staff if I'm healing through a dungeon, as our skills that heal others are not very good.
Long live the NightBlades!
The irony is, Destro is way worse on NB. Even for AOE its just BAD on NB.
And where is my Play how you wish again ?
For AOE destro is amazing on NB in PVE sorry. Only DKs are maybe better at AOE dps with a destro but NB is more sturdy when doing it.
Extremely fast Ultimate regen from Sap Essence+Transfer+impulse+ Burning Crits, Great mitigation from Veli of Blades and great self heals with Sap Essence and almost no resource problems with Siphoning attacks. I can go to 2.5K-3K dps easily in crowded places.
The true problem is single target in both PVE and PVP. The resto nerf is a huge blow to some NBs. I do not want to go DW or BOW and I do not want to be a freaking stealth ganker. I need to use Resto since I do not have great self heals but now I have the same damage as the S&B DK/Templar Horde with none of their defenses.Edited by PBpsy on September 29, 2014 7:32PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
Nihil✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »I would actualy expect the refund of ALL the skill points spent int oResto stuff...
Lack of Damage increase make this item almost completely useless for most DPS builds.
P.S. The only viable PVE weapon for NBs become useless. Once again NBs suffer even further huge nerf instead of any improvements.
Should i just delete this useless character now ?
It's a restoration staff, not a DPS staff, so that makes sense.
I was just recently leveling destro instead and I'm not complaining. Will level dual wield after, as that seem to be a more "classic" NB weapon. I will still use the resto staff if I'm healing through a dungeon, as our skills that heal others are not very good.
Long live the NightBlades!
The irony is, Destro is way worse on NB. Even for AOE its just BAD on NB.
And where is my Play how you wish again ?
Play how you wish is way over used. It is a general comment that you can make builds to do what you want. This does not mean every choice you make will be as viable as the next. You want to make a spell casting NB? it is possible, and it can still be viable. You want to make a sneak attack templar, possible. This does not mean that the sneak attack templar will be as strong as a sorc or a NB, but it can be done.0 -
SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭For my templar I switched from dual resto to destro/restro. I was very tempted by sword and board but didn't want to lose sharpened trait with a 1h. I switched skills a little bit and use less class skills now.0
