Mykah wrote: »

So even with this change shield spells will still be viable in conjucture with purge.

But here is a counter to not become the complete fool like I look like with this change bow would become really strong, since you can load lethal arrow and when its in the air, you mark your target and lethal arrow will crit for 1.8k as the mark hits you + stun. So no time to purge + break stun before being hit by follow up dmg which will kill the target. Thats how you will kill templars easymode

Im not against the change, I just felt it was OP.. but im not a game dev.

Or they could buff blur to make it a viable alternative to a shield. Just saying

How come marked target allows the marked person to know they're marked? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is that some kind of nerf added to the already nerfed ability?

lathbury wrote: »

Or they could buff blur to make it a viable alternative to a shield. Just saying

Along this same line of thinking I've been wondering how Sparks only works on melee attacks.
How does one blinded enough to miss at melee range but not at range range, which would obviously take more effort.

Makes about as much sense as running in sneak mode amirite?

Mykah wrote: »

Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

Well this would certainly [snip] all over Sorc with all of our survivability and healing coming from shields. I already consider DK my anti class so I'm not really sure where this would leave Sorcs.

Mykah wrote: »

Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

Actually the better alternative would be have Killer's Blade/Impale ignore all damage shields. Since the damage outside of the execute range is fairly low, it still allows the targets shields to work much of the time, but it does allow the ability to do exactly what it's supposed to do - kill the target when they are low on life.

oren74 wrote: »

Mark target would still be irrelevant accept for ganking. Fighting (that matters) happens very fast, and you're spending time marking a target while you should be hit multiple targets fast and actually damaging them...you're doing it wrong.

Sure for single target ganking it would be excellent..but big deal. Best, most important fights are group vs. group, where AoE is king, especially synergies...why the hell are my buttons in French?

I run with an organized group, my job is generally to shut down the Impulse+Shield spammers running turtle builds in our backlines. Using NBs fear is the only way to even put a dent in them, but I feel like shield spam is just too powerfull.

I can put all of my focus into offense on a single target, that target can ignore me and spam AE damage to my team AND spam shields to negate my damage, something isn't right with that.

There needs to be a way to counter shield spam, currently there is no real counter.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

How come marked target allows the marked person to know they're marked? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is that some kind of nerf added to the already nerfed ability?

The funny thing is the NB's alliance cannot see the mark either, so the enemy somehow can see it but the NB's buddy standing right next to him can't?

Its really a broken ability in its current state.

Wow, NB are more messed up than I realized. So much about them is just sloppy and poorly thought out.

Finally some one else now can see what i see constantly on my nighblade dailly now since almost a year in this game, because i been at this since beta and now 6 months live and STILL the developers cant see this even with all the forum comments and emails and constant requests.
im very struggling with this subject and doing all i can but ive prety much given up hope

NBs just have too much stacked against them in their skills.

Every other class has synergy that makes their abilities work better together.

NBs have dots that break their own stealth skill.
NBs have a debuff that debuffs their own defense.
NBs have a resource skill that lowers their own damage.

Look at the other classes skills, no one but NBs have skills that nerf their own utility.

On top of this NBs have no class shield ability and no way to counter shield spam.

There will never be class balance until these core issues are adressed and NBs are given a counter to Shields to make up for not having a shield themselves.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

How come marked target allows the marked person to know they're marked? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is that some kind of nerf added to the already nerfed ability?

The funny thing is the NB's alliance cannot see the mark either, so the enemy somehow can see it but the NB's buddy standing right next to him can't?

Its really a broken ability in its current state.

Wow, NB are more messed up than I realized. So much about them is just sloppy and poorly thought out.

Finally some one else now can see what i see constantly on my nighblade dailly now since almost a year in this game, because i been at this since beta and now 6 months live and STILL the developers cant see this even with all the forum comments and emails and constant requests.
im very struggling with this subject and doing all i can but ive prety much given up hope

WTH are either of you talking about? [snip] would your allies need to see if someone is marked lol Only YOU get the gain and negative from marked target.

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[edited for profanity bypass & baiting]

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

I think ignoring the shield entirely is a bit OP, but it could allow 75% of your damage to bypass the shield(s).

i.e. You hit for 500, target takes 375 (75% bypass), 125 (25%) hits shield.

Full health damage shields are kinda OP to begin with but I can see what you're saying. In my opinion, the shield should still take 100% of the non-mitigated hit though with 75% of that leaking through. Having the shield only take 25% of the hit would mean it would be more difficult to expire the shield.

oren74 wrote: »

Mark target would still be irrelevant accept for ganking. Fighting (that matters) happens very fast, and you're spending time marking a target while you should be hit multiple targets fast and actually damaging them...you're doing it wrong.

Sure for single target ganking it would be excellent..but big deal. Best, most important fights are group vs. group, where AoE is king, especially synergies...why the hell are my buttons in French?

Mark target is our only reliable heal other than killer's blade which impale beats it out in my opinion. Sure, there is swallow soul but as a stam NB crit HoT of 50ish at VR12 is ridiculous. If you think that marked target is weak then you haven't fought a good nightblade.

Check this guy out. Take note the video was before the 1.4 shenanigans with NB so cloak was semi-working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_iEu46bMyw&list=UUdXnxYWeey2qbQ2K8Y8Lt6A