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Any Future for Nightblades? Devs contribute pls
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thorspark✭✭✭
My Stamina NB is only VR3 and uses SAP Essence, means only 6% WP Buff for each enemy, instead of 11% of Power Extraction.Thats not top dps build I doubt you can even hit 1k dps with that.
But even with lower WP and only VR3 and only AOE at 4-5 Targets I can get to 800-900DPS. There for 1K+ DPS should be no problem at all for DW AOE.
With Power Extraction at lvl 3 (10% weapon dmg increase) and steel tornado, I hit the 1k4 aoe dps on large groups so yeah, it's not a problem at all.
DK Vet 12 / NB Vampire Vet 7 / Sorcerer Vet 5 / Templar WW - Guilde Les pochtrons0 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭@thorspark wrote: »You don't know how attack speed works. It was never meant to speed up the attack animation. Attack speed reduces the internal cooldown between light and heavy weapon attacks. It works as intended and has worked for a while. There is nothing to fix.
If it was intended to reduce time between light and heavy attacks, it should say so in the tooltip : "Reduce ..."
Haste is saying "Increase attack speed" so yes, it definitely should impact the attack animation, therefore the attack speed of the weapon.
While everybody uses animation cancelling, reducing the internal cooldown between attacks is just useless, you allways put a skill in between.
So, either they change the tooltip, and acknowledge the skill is useless, or they change it to actually "increase" attack speed.
Yes, there is something to fix.
You still don't understand the issue. Speeding up the animation would do absolutely nothing. The internal cooldown for Resto staff light attacks is 1.3 seconds. This means that a light attack can only be performed once every 1.3 seconds. Speeding up the animation for the attack wouldn't change the fact that the attacks can only be performed once every 1.3 seconds.
Most skills, on the other hand, have a 1 second cooldown.
Increasing attack speed does exactly what it is supposed to do. It reduces the internal cooldown by the amount in the tooltip. For example, the morph of Haste would reduce the Resto cooldown from 1.3 seconds to 1 second. Now instead of animation canceling and being able to do a light attack/funnel heath every 1.3 seconds, you can do the same rotation every 1 second. This is a big deal and does work.
I'll take it a step further. The reason it works this way is because some of the mechanics in the game work differently than most games. Most skills, abilities, and other attacks activate when you release the button instead of press the button. You can easily verify this on normal attacks because the attack doesn't fire when you click your mouse, but starts channeling instead. The attack only happens when you release the mouse. Skills work the same as attacks. This is important because the damage from attacks is applied as soon as you release the button and even BEFORE the animation plays. Have you ever noticed that you or the mob appears to die before the animation even occurs?
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Vuron✭✭✭✭✭
My Stamina NB is only VR3 and uses SAP Essence, means only 6% WP Buff for each enemy, instead of 11% of Power Extraction.Thats not top dps build I doubt you can even hit 1k dps with that.
But even with lower WP and only VR3 and only AOE at 4-5 Targets I can get to 800-900DPS. There for 1K+ DPS should be no problem at all for DW AOE.
With Power Extraction at lvl 3 (10% weapon dmg increase) and steel tornado, I hit the 1k4 aoe dps on large groups so yeah, it's not a problem at all.
1k or even 1k4 DPS for AoE is actually pretty bad. These are numbers that you should be hitting for single target DPS.
Against larger groups in some of the Craglorn dungeons and arena, using Power Extraction and Elemental Ring, I'm able to get over 3k and sometimes 4k DPS in an AoE fight.
I built in a way that my Magicka, Magicka regen, Spell Power, and Spell resist are capped at the beginning of the fight. Casting power extraction at the beginning of the fight caps my Weapon Power, giving me the best of both worlds.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭
Lotus Fan -> Power Extraction -> Steel Tornado. If the pack is 9 Mobs, enjoy your Weapon Power at Hard Cap for Steel Tornado that will hit for 600+ @50% health and below with rising numbers.That sums it up thats your top dpser, If there are other aoe dps builds please shed some light.
While that works you can easily match or beat that DPS with multiple setups .. and no one cares about group DPS anyway.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭
My Stamina NB is only VR3 and uses SAP Essence, means only 6% WP Buff for each enemy, instead of 11% of Power Extraction.Thats not top dps build I doubt you can even hit 1k dps with that.
But even with lower WP and only VR3 and only AOE at 4-5 Targets I can get to 800-900DPS. There for 1K+ DPS should be no problem at all for DW AOE.
A templar can hit 2k in packs using one skill.
Any class can hit 1500+ with just one skill, impulse. Some classes have passives that boost it and DK can also use burning talons to bump it up.
NB can actually even do more with Poser Extraction + Impulse
NB can do much more if they know how to weave power extraction + impulse to gain maximum ultimate and can drop VoB multiple times.
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Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
Actually, DK never had 1500 in long sustain, and the top DK dps builds rely on resto staff too (to be exact, it's a resto/destro hybrid combination, where the heavy damage class skill DOTs, including the banner, are on resto). In shorter fights, DK could burst higher than NB caster, but in longer fights, DK and NB casters were (at least prior to 1.4) about the same as far as I can tell.Ridicularded wrote: »Everyone in this thread complaining that nightblades are broken, please Alt+F4 and uninstall your game client. Nightblades are the TOP PvE DPS, in 90% of raid scenarios.
I think your confused. Top pve dps is by far and away DK using flame staff up 2000 burst 1500 sustained. Nb is probably the lowest after this. Templar crusader is about 1400 max nb caster will be about 1200 max. I'm not sure bout the sorc builds but as most pve builds use destro they should be unaffected.
The nerf to resto staff will boosts templars and sorcs, while bringing down NBs and DKs, although DKs to a somewhat lower extent than NBs. Sorcs generally used resto staff only during the execution phase, so they are not really affected in PVE. I'd only expect about a 2-3% drop in overall dps from sorcs.
But obviously, this patch puts caster NB in a bad position since it's a pure 10% dps nerf, and NB is affected by this more than any other top dps build.Edited by Aeratus on September 23, 2014 1:30PM1 -
thorspark✭✭✭@Vuron : I understood what was said about this skill and that you are ok with it this way, as you weave attacks with skills and with haste on, you can upgrade your dps with it.
My point is not this. I speak of fully charged heavy attacks (which happen to be useful now with stamina restauration and 12% dmg upgrade from incapacitate) that have no benefit from this skill. 1.4 seconds load time instead of 2s would have made the heavy attack good to include in dps rotation.
The way it actually works makes it useless, but only for heavy attacks. I agree that it's still useful for weaving light attacks.
For the AoE part.
I speak of 1k4 aoe dps in PvP, meaning almost no crits. I don't play PvE with my NB so I couldn't say how much it would be.
Of course, steel tornado is far from beeing as effective as impulse/pulsar/elemental ring because of the poor damage it has to begin with.
Playing DW instead of staff is a choice that costs dps, but having a magicka based DK and a sorc, I'm getting tired of staves.
DK Vet 12 / NB Vampire Vet 7 / Sorcerer Vet 5 / Templar WW - Guilde Les pochtrons0 -
Synozeer✭✭✭✭✭Mirage 15%Miss chance and don't stack with Dodge chance like Evasion or Sets like Hist Bark / Spectre Eye
Mirage does stack with dodge chance. I've run tests on this and the maths showed that it will (ran tests with Hist Bark and Mirage). However, dodge does not stack with dodge, so if you have 2 dodge bonuses, the game uses the higher one. I didn't test miss chance with miss chance (ex. Sparks + Mirage), but if it works like dodge then it won't stack
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Father✭✭✭Wow so many trolls in 1 page, please show me your 1.4k and above dps post a vid I don't care which weapon you use. 3k+ dps with NB video would make me full of ecstacy hehe
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lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
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Actually, DK never had 1500 in long sustain, and the top DK dps builds rely on resto staff too (to be exact, it's a resto/destro hybrid combination, where the heavy damage class skill DOTs, including the banner, are on resto). In shorter fights, DK could burst higher than NB caster, but in longer fights, DK and NB casters were (at least prior to 1.4) about the same as far as I can tell.Ridicularded wrote: »Everyone in this thread complaining that nightblades are broken, please Alt+F4 and uninstall your game client. Nightblades are the TOP PvE DPS, in 90% of raid scenarios.
I think your confused. Top pve dps is by far and away DK using flame staff up 2000 burst 1500 sustained. Nb is probably the lowest after this. Templar crusader is about 1400 max nb caster will be about 1200 max. I'm not sure bout the sorc builds but as most pve builds use destro they should be unaffected.
The nerf to resto staff will boosts templars and sorcs, while bringing down NBs and DKs, although DKs to a somewhat lower extent than NBs. Sorcs generally used resto staff only during the execution phase, so they are not really affected in PVE. I'd only expect about a 2-3% drop in overall dps from sorcs.
But obviously, this patch puts caster NB in a bad position since it's a pure 10% dps nerf, and NB is affected by this more than any other top dps build.
Seems we are agreed on a lot of points especially this being quite a nerf for nb caster. Which I would not object to as much if bows dw could come close to the dps.1 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Wow so many trolls in 1 page, please show me your 1.4k and above dps post a vid I don't care which weapon you use. 3k+ dps with NB video would make me full of ecstacy hehe
Here is an easy guide so you can do it yourself in PvE. Get VR14 and a good Fire Destro staff. Get as much Magicka and spell crit as possible. Get in a group large enough to live for a while with at least 9 bad guys. Use Power Extraction IV (99% weapon damage buff and damage) then elemental ring. Drop veil of blades. If the group lives long enough you can get in multiple veil of blades getting your DPS way up there. Practice with using Power Extracion and Elemental Ring in a way that you can get the extra ultimate from power extraction (NB Passives) and allow the elemental ring dot to tick and get an absurd amount of ultimate and drop veil of blades even more. Put on a set of gear that reduces ultimate cost and drop it even more. Make a video post it here and make yourself full of ecstasy.1 -
GoatKnuckle✭✭✭I like whining, er... Winning. Of course NBs have a self heal. It is named Devouring Swarm or Resto Staff.3
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Vuron✭✭✭✭✭Wow so many trolls in 1 page, please show me your 1.4k and above dps post a vid I don't care which weapon you use. 3k+ dps with NB video would make me full of ecstacy hehe
You do realize that we're talking about AoE DPS and not single target, right?
Kitsinni pretty much layed out in a post above how to get high AoE DPS. With enough mobs, you can hit 3k without using your ult and I was doing it solo last night. Run into the middle of the group, hold down block, Power Extraction, and then spam away with Impulse. Using your ult is an added bonus.
With 6 mobs, you only need to do 500 DPS to each mob to get to 3k AoE.
edit... and how do NB's not have a self heal? Isn't funnel health the most used NB skill in the game?
Edited by Vuron on September 23, 2014 6:01PM0 -
Father✭✭✭Show me a screen shot of that 3k aoe dps or a vid.
In single target that dps only if you're hitting a 3k hp target and when you sneak attack with veiled strike and camouflaged hunter.
Show me against Sinmur and i'll believe you
Btw thx for posting your build but this is nothing new to me and 3k dps is far from reality.1 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭3k aoe dps is easily attainable. Nobody is going to bother wasting time making a video showing something that is so common.2
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Father✭✭✭Don't bother. Just tell me whats more common; NBs crying all the time or NBs doing 3k dps of aoe ?
Anyways PVE is not my problem, pvp is.1 -
Rair.Kitani✭✭✭At 3rd AA Boss, which is round about 3 min i get 1k dps only if everything wents perfect, more often i stay around 900-950. 10% dmg loss will be quite something for me...
In my opinion heal staff is the only Weapon which creates synergies with the class skills that i use.
A Lot sorcs i know use healstaff Not only for Execute phase but for their whole single Target dps, so they are Hit as hard as nb caster with the nerf.0 -
cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Don't bother. Just tell me whats more common; NBs crying all the time or NBs doing 3k dps of aoe ?.
NBs crying 24/7 of course, considering every single player of the class except me seems to do it excessively. That's not to say NBs doing top AoE dps would be rare...One would have to be a really terrible player to not be able to achieve that.Edited by cazlonb16_ESO on September 23, 2014 11:08PM1 -
ShirleyShine✭✭✭:'( Made an uninformed choice of Red Guard armour for my Breton NB but with Heavy armour maxed with perks and DW almost maxed it has kept me alive for 47 levels in PvE while I've built up skill points for my class skills. [not too shabby now] Have no idea how I would do in PvP, but somehow achieved Tyro rank. I didn't consider getting ranged weapons up until too late, but still love the game and wouldn't change my NB for anything. Thankfully, I learn more everyday.
War....war never changes0 -
Father✭✭✭
Nah it looks great for ganking
not everyone is using impenetrable on7/7 armor anyways a sneak hit is too good to pass. 0 -
Archie✭✭✭I cannot believe that a bunch of you guys post some stats, give a stave to nb's hand and dress him up in gown or pjamas and pass him as "a working NB". That might work a little but that is not an NB, that is a freak!
NB as a class is still broken. It works not as intended but may only pass as unintended.Edited by Archie on September 24, 2014 4:59PM3 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
As opposed to the trash clears ppl are posting aoe dps for?0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
As opposed to the trash clears ppl are posting aoe dps for?
You assume I find value in any PvE numbers.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0
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