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Would you like to play a storyline for the chance to be a Lich? A WORLD skill alongside Vamps/WW?
Ethromelb14_ESO
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How many of you during your own ES gaming experience has ever considered how cool it would be to go through the process of becoming a Lich? If ZoS can pull it off, is that something you would be interested in?
Edited by Ethromelb14_ESO on September 23, 2014 11:55AM Motto: Make deceivers believers.
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Would you like to play a storyline for the chance to be a Lich? A WORLD skill alongside Vamps/WW? 191 votes
Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.
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No, lets just deal with what we have.
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Makes no difference to me either way.
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)Edited by AshySamurai on September 23, 2014 12:10PMMake sweetrolls, not nerfs!1 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)
Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."
A Lich does use a weapon... a staff, and powerful magics.
Also Liches DO NOT have to be summoned, but they CAN be summoned. There's a difference. They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
As a matter of fact there are those in ES lore that secretly practiced or attempted this while being part of the Mages guild, and it is frowned upon. Nevertheless it is part of the lore, and would fit right in.Edited by Ethromelb14_ESO on September 23, 2014 12:35PMMotto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
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Ragefist✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.Oh yea, its perfectly normal for a Lich to walk into Fighters Guild or Mages Guild and go help them out a bit...
No, Liches dwell in their crypts, let it stay that way11 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Oh yea, its perfectly normal for a Lich to walk into Fighters Guild or Mages Guild and go help them out a bit...
No, Liches dwell in their crypts, let it stay that way
That's not true. They are found in caves because of seclusion and secrecy for performing the dark art. Honestly? And you think it's anymore natural and lore-like to see a vampire standing next to you at a merchant in the sun? Really?
People we're talking about the freedom to adapt and indulge a bit. It's not a game breaker, anymore than being a werewolf against a regular human is, so relax and be imaginative.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
I keep forgetting to remember to get a photographic memory.3 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)
Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."
A Lich does use a weapon... a staff, and powerful magics.
Also Liches DO NOT have to be summoned, but they CAN be summoned. There's a difference. They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
As a matter of fact there are those in ES lore that secretly practiced or attempted this while being part of the Mages guild, and it is frowned upon. Nevertheless it is part of the lore, and would fit right in.
Liches in this game can do it alone, they create a temporary repository (a Phylactory) in which to store their soul while they transform, the final stage is to redeposit their soul back in their body, at which point the Phylactory is no destroyed. In Elder Scrolls the Phylactory is never a permanent artifact.
This is from doing a Dark Brotherhood Quest in Oblivion (where you stole the phylactory and thus killed the lich) where the Lich's own journal explains the process.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
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Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.I'm thinking Lich transformation can be the ultimate for a Necromancer World skill line.6 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
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I dont argue against this. It's true.And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
Correct me, but instead means as an alternative to. So no, liches dont wield any weapon. You remember "play as you want"? Or Lich skill force to wield staff only?Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.We've got enough in the game to balance first, IMO.
If you want a storyline-friendly reason: liches are not common... not even remotely common. It's not like a vampire where some lich hits you and you become one. There is a deep story of great power, sadness, abuse, and usually some great desire for revenge buried with the person who becomes a lich.
IMO - we simply cannot have hundreds of them running floating around.2 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.AshySamurai wrote: »
I dont argue against this. It's true.And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
Correct me, but instead means as an alternative to. So no, liches dont wield any weapon. You remember "play as you want"? Or Lich skill force to wield staff only?Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."
Yes "instead" means alternative, but NOT limited to. Meaning that they can use bows and weapons; they just rarely do.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
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Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Specifically a lich, eh, I really want a necromancer world skill tree though.
That would be cool too.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
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Have you seen any lich with sword or bow? I see lich as a very powerfull mage who can trick even death. So I even cant imagine lich with bow. That make me to think that lich dont wield any weapon at all.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Yes "instead" means alternative, but NOT limited to. Meaning that they can use bows and weapons; they just rarely do.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!1 -
Wuggums47✭✭I'd love to become one, but I'm not 100% sure I want to see it in game. Some people have pointed out that it would be weird to see a lich hanging out in the fighters guild, but they haven't kicked out vampire players yet. Personally I think that if it was implemented, you shouldn't be allowed in the fighters guild, or any group that it would make no sense for them not to kill you on sight. Others have pointed out that it wouldn't make sense to see tons of liches, because it's not a common thing, but if they wanted to make it rare, they could make it incredibly hard to get, and keep upping the difficulty every time something that makes a character more powerful comes out to keep it elusive.0
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.We've got enough in the game to balance first, IMO.
If you want a storyline-friendly reason: liches are not common... not even remotely common. It's not like a vampire where some lich hits you and you become one. There is a deep story of great power, sadness, abuse, and usually some great desire for revenge buried with the person who becomes a lich.
IMO - we simply cannot have hundreds of them running floating around.
If it were possable for ESO to create a lich "class" that wasn't broken, OP, or bugged in some other annoying way, I might go for it. But since the devs are having a hard enough time trying to balance/fix nightblades, werewolves, vampires, crafted armor sets, etc, etc, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Also the path to lichhood would have to involve a story/questline equal in length and complexity of the main storyline. It's not like you wake up one day and just decide to become a lich. It involves years, no, decades of research and study all devoted to the single purpose of becoming a lich. Reading any of the books about liches in game, you realize becoming a lich requires devoting ones entire life to it.Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on September 23, 2014 3:36PM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."1 -
Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.AshySamurai wrote: »
Have you seen any lich with sword or bow? I see lich as a very powerfull mage who can trick even death. So I even cant imagine lich with bow. That make me to think that lich dont wield any weapon at all.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Yes "instead" means alternative, but NOT limited to. Meaning that they can use bows and weapons; they just rarely do.
When you get a chance look up [Lich King]. In lore Kings were also known for trying to defy death and gain immortality through dark magic or necromancy. It may also be worth noting that Revenants have also been known to wield sword and maces; even sword and shield.Motto: Make deceivers believers.
Strength of character is not a physical thing. -EWalking a mile in someone else's shoes, has nothing to do with the path taken. -E
An accusation of elitism, is an indirect recognition of one's own inferiority. -E
The best way to prove someone wrong, is to do better yourself. -E
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence.
Psst.. you missed the part where you don't have a soul. Good ole Molag has it. You may think, what about once you get it back. Except that's only 1% of the game. When you go to VR places, you're experiencing the new lands soulless again.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.2 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »When you get a chance look up [Lich King]. In lore Kings were also known for trying to defy death and gain immortality through dark magic or necromancy. It may also be worth noting that Revenants have also been known to wield sword and maces; even sword and shield.
Yeah, but we aren't in WoW. WoW universe has their own liches. And +@Heishi argument.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!2 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.AshySamurai wrote: »
Have you seen any lich with sword or bow? I see lich as a very powerfull mage who can trick even death. So I even cant imagine lich with bow. That make me to think that lich dont wield any weapon at all.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »Yes "instead" means alternative, but NOT limited to. Meaning that they can use bows and weapons; they just rarely do.
Yeah, you fight one in VR Crypt of Hearts. Starts out with a staff, then switches to a sword at half-way of the battle.
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✭Makes no difference to me either way.Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence.
Psst.. you missed the part where you don't have a soul. Good ole Molag has it. You may think, what about once you get it back. Except that's only 1% of the game. When you go to VR places, you're experiencing the new lands soulless again.
Pretty much this.
You lose your sould as soon as the game starts.
Personally i dont care about immersion in a MMO , so to me it makes little difference , but im sure this will annoy some players :P."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, you fight one in VR Crypt of Hearts. Starts out with a staff, then switches to a sword at half-way of the battle.
You're probably talking about Nerien'eth. Yeah, I forgot about him. But I still think that lich shouldn't wield a swird. If lich wield a staff - it's ok, but not a sword.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.How about a leprichaun transformation. You can use shoe polisher as an ultimate to make someone shoes shine.
I think Necromancy should be a bigger part of TESO. Just like Oblivion i had more staffs that could resurrect corpses. Also Mannimarco's staff when i murdered him. Maybe Necromancy could be a world skill next to Vampire and Werewolf and the Ultimate could be "Lichdom" until you are killed and you become a mere necromancer again.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭No, lets just deal with what we have.Necromancer skill line yes. Probably will be possible with spell crafting at least.
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✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Oh yea, its perfectly normal for a Lich to walk into Fighters Guild or Mages Guild and go help them out a bit...
No, Liches dwell in their crypts, let it stay that way
the reason of becoming a lich is not only to be immortal but to keep your soul,your will AND your personality through immortality.And there are way more than several liches in lore that are actually quite ''good'' in moral infact one of them was a companion of Mannimarco himself but abandoned him later on when she found out about his sick ambitionIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
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✭Makes no difference to me either way.I lied with my vote, as I'm a Lore nut and this wouldn't mesh as well with Lore as other stuff. However, I do also really want an alternative to Vamp/WW, and this is an idea I haven't heard before..I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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Ankael07✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Yes necromancy is considered evil in most cultures of Nirn but in the end its a weapon,a power.And a weapon is only deadly and evil as its wielder.The meaning of lichdom is to contain your true self through immortality much like vampirism without the drawbacks.Now remember how many good willed vampires we saw in main storylines even in the heart of Coldharbour one of the first vampires turned against Molag Bal so its only natural for a lich to have self ambitions,decisions and morals.We are already partially a lich before completing the main storyline be cause our soul is controlling our body from a plane of oblivion.In lore the concept of lichdom was probably first spread by Molag Bal and soulburst is the perfect reason for lich transmorph ingameIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence.
Psst.. you missed the part where you don't have a soul. Good ole Molag has it. You may think, what about once you get it back. Except that's only 1% of the game. When you go to VR places, you're experiencing the new lands soulless again.
Pretty much this.
You lose your sould as soon as the game starts.
Personally i dont care about immersion in a MMO , so to me it makes little difference , but im sure this will annoy some players :P.
Spoiler, you don't lose your soul for long, it comes back around
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.
"There's a difference. They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery."Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)
Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."
A Lich does use a weapon... a staff, and powerful magics.
Also Liches DO NOT have to be summoned, but they CAN be summoned. There's a difference. They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
As a matter of fact there are those in ES lore that secretly practiced or attempted this while being part of the Mages guild, and it is frowned upon. Nevertheless it is part of the lore, and would fit right in.
Tell that too the countless lichs I have soul trapped, the soul is in there body and ES lichs don't use Phylacteries for anything other then the first transformation as mentioned in the Oblivion book the path of Trancendance.
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✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.There is nothing a Lich can do that a vampire can't already do...other then fall apart, seriously name one thing and if you say come back to life because of a phylactery then I regret to inform you that you are not very knowledgeable on ES lore because they don't do that in the Elder Scrolls Series and it is mentioned in the path of trancendance book.
Good to come across someone who knows there elder scrolls lichs, most people think ES lichs are identical to D&D Lichs when they are anything but, the whole phylactery ressurection thing is from D&D.AlexDougherty wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »How you imagine this? Liches are already undead . Yeah, you loose your soul, but you still alive. In that case, you need someone, who will summon you if you want to be a lich. So, at least you cant do it alone. Also liches cant use any weapon. If you want to turn into lich-form like WW - I'll say no! (lore-breaking) If you turn into lich like Vampire, you dont able to use any weapon and weapon skills. Also you loose 2 slots for set bonuses.
BTW Lich (Oblivion)
Not true. And according to the link you cited " It is the most powerful undead in Oblivion, relying on magic instead of using a bow or melee weapons like other undead. A Lich can be summoned by a Master-level conjurer."
A Lich does use a weapon... a staff, and powerful magics.
Also Liches DO NOT have to be summoned, but they CAN be summoned. There's a difference. They are immortal with their soul held in a phylactery. And while being undead, they still retain their intelligence. They are not like a zombie. Many Liches actually summon the undead like a necromancer. So it does not break the lore at all.
As a matter of fact there are those in ES lore that secretly practiced or attempted this while being part of the Mages guild, and it is frowned upon. Nevertheless it is part of the lore, and would fit right in.
Liches in this game can do it alone, they create a temporary repository (a Phylactory) in which to store their soul while they transform, the final stage is to redeposit their soul back in their body, at which point the Phylactory is no destroyed. In Elder Scrolls the Phylactory is never a permanent artifact.
This is from doing a Dark Brotherhood Quest in Oblivion (where you stole the phylactory and thus killed the lich) where the Lich's own journal explains the process.
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✭✭✭✭No, lets just deal with what we have.
"The meaning of lichdom is to contain your true self through immortality much like vampirism without the drawbacks" so you wouldn't consider these drawbacks?Yes necromancy is considered evil in most cultures of Nirn but in the end its a weapon,a power.And a weapon is only deadly and evil as its wielder.The meaning of lichdom is to contain your true self through immortality much like vampirism without the drawbacks.Now remember how many good willed vampires we saw in main storylines even in the heart of Coldharbour one of the first vampires turned against Molag Bal so its only natural for a lich to have self ambitions,decisions and morals.We are already partially a lich before completing the main storyline be cause our soul is controlling our body from a plane of oblivion.In lore the concept of lichdom was probably first spread by Molag Bal and soulburst is the perfect reason for lich transmorph ingame
- Weakness to Fire (Like all Undead)
- weakness to anti-undead magicks (like all undead)
- Becoming Physically Frail
- Putting off a Horrible Smell
- Having Ones "Junk" eventually fall off due to the decay
- Not being able to dwell in civilized society
- Not being able to enjoy food or drink or anykind, mentioned somewhere that lichs still feel hunger
- Requiring an energy source to stay alive (Read amongst the Draugr in Skyrim the DP are Lichs and they need to the draugrs energy to stay alive)
I would take a weakness to sunlight over many of those weakness any day.
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, definitely. It would be nice to be something other than a vampire or werewolf.Oh yea, its perfectly normal for a Lich to walk into Fighters Guild or Mages Guild and go help them out a bit...
No, Liches dwell in their crypts, let it stay that way
As opposed to all those Vampires and Werewolves who are denied every day. Even though they're entire skill line focus is against those kind of creatures.
I don't think you can deny a gameplay style choice because "it doesn't make sense" as we already have rival faction races working on opposed factions, vampires and werewolves walking through towns without issues etc.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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