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MADshadowman
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I will make this short, cause there is not much to say.

Dear ZOS, similar to the issues discussed in this post http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132787/zos-request-for-seperation-of-updates#latest i would like to request one thing:

Please stop with the content updates and work on a performance update. Ever since you introduced the new lighting system, the performance, especially in Cyrodiil got worse and worse. Very low FPS, huge lags, input lags, unresponsive buttons, crashes... all this stuff happens every day to so many players and kills their fun.

So please: First the performance, then the content. Not the other way round.

Thank you.
  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    I agree on the priorities but thats not exactly how it works. Their 3D designers and lore writers will not be very useful trying to fix network code. ZoS is not limited to working on 1 thing at a time.
    Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on September 20, 2014 5:34PM
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  • dharbert
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    Unlike consoles, there are thousands of variations in PC hardware, drivers and game settings used by players. The game can't be optimized to run 100% smoothly and lag-free for everyone.
  • Junkogen
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    dharbert wrote: »
    Unlike consoles, there are thousands of variations in PC hardware, drivers and game settings used by players. The game can't be optimized to run 100% smoothly and lag-free for everyone.

    This is why I hope it goes to console, but I fear it won't because they can't seem to get the game fixed and balanced enough. If it went to console now, it wouldn't do so well. It still needs fixing. Maybe after justice system, db and thieves guild and champion system. But even then, there are going to be tons of bugs to fix, I'm sure.
    Edited by Junkogen on September 20, 2014 6:53PM
  • MADshadowman
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    I agree on the priorities but thats not exactly how it works. Their 3D designers and lore writers will not be very useful trying to fix network code. ZoS is not limited to working on 1 thing at a time.

    I didn't mean they should all work on that, but 1 update in the future should be dedicated to performance improvements, nothing else.
  • MADshadowman
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    dharbert wrote: »
    Unlike consoles, there are thousands of variations in PC hardware, drivers and game settings used by players. The game can't be optimized to run 100% smoothly and lag-free for everyone.

    I know that, but there are lots of people with high-end gaming rigs that have performance issues. ESO needs some improvements to better use the strong hardware. I mean: SSD / Intel Core i7 / 16GB RAM / 2GB Geforce GT 755 M and even on low settings the fps drop down to 10 in pvp? This is just not right.
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    Junkogen wrote: »
    dharbert wrote: »
    Unlike consoles, there are thousands of variations in PC hardware, drivers and game settings used by players. The game can't be optimized to run 100% smoothly and lag-free for everyone.

    This is why I hope it goes to console, but I fear it won't because they can't seem to get the game fixed and balanced enough. If it went to console now, it wouldn't do so well. It still needs fixing. Maybe after justice system, db and thieves guild and champion system. But even then, there are going to be tons of bugs to fix, I'm sure.

    Yeah, as always
  • AlexDougherty
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    dharbert wrote: »
    Unlike consoles, there are thousands of variations in PC hardware, drivers and game settings used by players. The game can't be optimized to run 100% smoothly and lag-free for everyone.

    On top of this, the people fixing performance are a different team to the people making new content.
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  • MADshadowman
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    Focus guys. It doesn't matter who does what. We want performance!
  • AlexDougherty
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    Focus guys. It doesn't matter who does what. We want performance!

    Actually it does matter who does what, they won't shift people off developing new content to fix bugs. An MMO survives by pushing out new content, the minute it stops growing in some fashion, people start leaving.

    As for performance, yes ideally we all want perfect performance, but as someone said earlier, no MMO has perfect performance for everybody. They are fixing the bugs constantly, but it's a balancing act, imperfect living game, or dead perfect game.
    Edited by AlexDougherty on September 21, 2014 10:00AM
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  • MADshadowman
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    You're missing the point here buddy. I don't care who takes care of it and how many people are doing it. What i think is important, is that there should be more effort put into getting rid of the major performance issues which affect a large player base.

    I know every game performs differently from system to system. We all know that.

    But what we also know is, that games like skyrim in it's vanilla form performed very weird, had lots of crashes, bad fps, bugs and laggy movement on good gaming computers. Then some intelligent people came, made mods and patches and tools, that allow you to play a heavily modded skyrim with extreme graphics and awesome ENB's without all these issues, by optimizing the games way to handle hardware and by removing bottlenecks.

    So it is possible to improve the performance of a game drastically and i think an update that does that would be better now than later, cause with crashes, lags and bad fps there is no enjoying the new content.

    I don't want this to get in the way of creating new content either, but it should be possible for a company like ZOS to finally address the performance issues.
  • Circuitous
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    I don't disagree that a patch should focus heavily on fixing errors in the game and fixing them properly, but putting off new content won't accomplish this. The people making that content are not the ones fixing bugs. That's not their job, and it's fair to assume they wouldn't be any good at it even if they tried.
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  • MADshadowman
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    Again, i never said that those people should fix the performance issues. I'm just saying that between 2 content updates there should also be a performance update to keep the game playable. Whoever is responsible for this task is not part of the discussion. ZOS knows it and hopefully lets them do some improvements.
  • Circuitous
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    Again, i never said that those people should fix the performance issues. I'm just saying that between 2 content updates there should also be a performance update to keep the game playable. Whoever is responsible for this task is not part of the discussion. ZOS knows it and hopefully lets them do some improvements.

    I'm confused by your assertion here. Are you suggesting that ZOS is in some way holding devs back from fixing things? That would be an interesting financial decision.
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  • Rune_Relic
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    Circuitous wrote: »
    Again, i never said that those people should fix the performance issues. I'm just saying that between 2 content updates there should also be a performance update to keep the game playable. Whoever is responsible for this task is not part of the discussion. ZOS knows it and hopefully lets them do some improvements.

    I'm confused by your assertion here. Are you suggesting that ZOS is in some way holding devs back from fixing things? That would be an interesting financial decision.

    I think its more question of resoruce allocation focusing on updates and not fixes.
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  • MADshadowman
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    Guys, plain and simple: What has more importance to you (right now) - content or performance?

    For me it's performance.

    this discussion isn't about anything else.
    Edited by MADshadowman on September 21, 2014 12:40PM
  • Rune_Relic
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    Guys, plain and simple: What has more importance to you (right now) - content or performance?

    For me it's performance.

    this discussion isn't about anything else.

    +1
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  • MADshadowman
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    Yesterday i had a 4 second delay. 4 SECONDS!
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