I do think a better method for finding motifs is in order. It just makes no sense to me that you find them in the same places you find garlic and onions.

dharbert wrote: »

Containers such as desks, barrels, sacks, etc... are instanced per player. No one is taking anything away from another player by farming containers for motifs and provisioning ingredients.

Exactly. There could be four of you farming the same house and your chances of finding one in no way affect the other peoples chances. Its basically having your own personal RNG.
If people want to spend part/all of their gaming farming for profit then let them, if people want to buy the motifs then let them. What difference does it make?.... none really !

There's nothing wrong with it. People have the ability to play this game how the want to play. The Motif's are instanced and does not affect your ability to get one if someone takes one out of a house and sell it. And some people would rather buy a motif then go around looking for one themselves anyway. There's no harm in it. On one end, it's a way to make some extra gold in Tamriel, and on the other end, players can get the instant satisfaction of crafting the armor they want instead of finding a motif on their own.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Well if other people have no effect on motif drops....I am at Vet1 and only ever found 1 racial motif. I spent the 1st 30 levels ransacking every building. Someone explain the empty cupboards and desks too ?

I usually find Motifs in Backpacks outside in the world. I have occasionally found one in a building (haha usually a backpack in building). I think there was a couple times actually where I found one in beside tables.

Not really sure about the empty cupboards and such. Not sure if they nerfed the loot from these or if it's a glitch. It's not in every location either so I am thinking it's some kind of glitch from the latest patch.

The only the system makes sense to me is the object cycles through a predefined list of items to keep the probabilities of dropping a certain item consistent. Is that right ?

First off, let me say I farm for motifs... not hard core mind you, but each time I log in I try to check every container in the city I am in. Other times I may pop over to other cities I have been to and search in them as well. Granted, I do not do this to sell them, but if I did that would be between me and the person I sell it to.

I look at getting Motif's and Purple Recipes as a quest, the steps are to open the correct container and hope that the God "Generator liczb losowych" will smile on me... (Polish - Random Number Generator)

I do find that it bothers me that any item granted by Generator liczb losowych could sell for 75k or more, but I don't look at it as a problem in the buyer or seller, unless the buyer went to a gold seller to get the price. I look at as a problem with that Fickle Aforementioned God, Generator liczb losowych who will not allow the questing characters to find the item they want in a timely manner.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

The only the system makes sense to me is the object cycles through a predefined list of items to keep the probabilities of dropping a certain item consistent. Is that right ?

Define what you mean by "cycles". It doesn't go A->B->C->D->A->B->C->D->... That would be too predictable and potentially exploitable.
Instead, there's a table which lists the odds of getting each item from a given container. So the table could be, for example:

A: 10%
B: 3%
C: 25%
1%
M: 0.001%

When a container is generated or refreshed, the game generates a (pseudo-) random number for each item and tests it against the probability of the item being there. Note that this means more than one item might show up in a container, or the container might be empty.

The consistency of the pseudo-random number generator and the laws of probability ensure that, over time, the distribution of item drops approaches the defined odds, just as a coin-flip repeated over time approaches 50% heads and 50% tails, even though each flip could go either way.

In ESO, many containers* are instanced, which is why if you watch a location with containers long enough, you will see players fiddling around with containers which are empty for you, and ignoring containers which have items in them -- for you.

Because they are instanced, no player "takes" loot from another player by farming these containers. This also means that the contents are generated for you each time, ensuring the odds of you getting, say, an M, are consistent each and every time.

* Not chests in the open world, though -- except for buried treasure chests, which are instanced. It gets complicated.

Blackhorne wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

The only the system makes sense to me is the object cycles through a predefined list of items to keep the probabilities of dropping a certain item consistent. Is that right ?

Define what you mean by "cycles". It doesn't go A->B->C->D->A->B->C->D->... That would be too predictable and potentially exploitable.
Instead, there's a table which lists the odds of getting each item from a given container. So the table could be, for example:

A: 10%
B: 3%
C: 25%
1%
M: 0.001%

When a container is generated or refreshed, the game generates a (pseudo-) random number for each item and tests it against the probability of the item being there. Note that this means more than one item might show up in a container, or the container might be empty.

The consistency of the pseudo-random number generator and the laws of probability ensure that, over time, the distribution of item drops approaches the defined odds, just as a coin-flip repeated over time approaches 50% heads and 50% tails, even though each flip could go either way.

In ESO, many containers* are instanced, which is why if you watch a location with containers long enough, you will see players fiddling around with containers which are empty for you, and ignoring containers which have items in them -- for you.

Because they are instanced, no player "takes" loot from another player by farming these containers. This also means that the contents are generated for you each time, ensuring the odds of you getting, say, an M, are consistent each and every time.

* Not chests in the open world, though -- except for buried treasure chests, which are instanced. It gets complicated.

I did the lottery once....49 numbers to pick
Done 7 cards... 6 unique numbers each out of the 49.
Not one number came in on any card.

Par for the course lol. I guess I should just buy some

This is one type of farming that hurts no one since containers are instanced.

No one gets hurt if some people play this way, so it isn't wrong.