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Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?
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GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Ok everyone, thanks so much for your help and patience. We have identified what the main issue is here: both the racial passive Stealthy and the item set Nightshade are not currently working. We are hard at work fixing both of these, and apologize for the frustration this has caused. We'll let you know when you can expect to see the fix.
To be honest I think that it's all stealth passives, racial and armour (there may be others but the Concealed Weapon stealth passive is also not working). My stealth radius seems to currently have no increase over a new born character nor does my stealth speed.
To be clear though, I mean crouched stealth here; if I'm stood upright and stealthed with Shadowy Cloak I do seem to have a speed boost (not sure which passive this comes from though); Shadow Cloak stealth seem to function to a degree but now breaks far more easily, to the point of being useless in many situations.
Again I would highlight that I think we need to be looking at whether any stealth passives are actually working including the passive elements of slotted skills (not just the racial ones). I'm wondering whether it could be something as simple as the something stealth mechanism that calculates passive effects (whatever their source) being broken. Whatever it is ESO is hardly worth playing for me at the moment.Edited by GrimMauKin on September 19, 2014 6:26PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.3 -
smtdbplus✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:- Race
- Class
- Armor and weapons equipped
- Slotted passives
Thanks in advance!
Dark elf
NB vr 12
Armor: 3 med night's silence, 2 light warlock, 2 med others
Weapon: both sets are dw dagger night silence.
Jewelry: all warlock
Passives:Dark cloak, concealed weapon (not a vamp)
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smtdbplus✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
- Race
- Class
- Armor and weapons equipped
- Slotted passives
Thanks in advance!
Dark elf
NB vr 12
Armor: 3 med night's silence, 2 light warlock, 2 med others
Weapon: both sets are dw dagger night silence.
Jewelry: all warlock
Passives:Dark cloak, concealed weapon (not a vamp)
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am a NB... but I have the unusual attribute of 0 points in NB skills.
I have all passive points in
Medium armour
s&b
ranged
nord
Improved sneak gives me reduced detection perhaps you can use this oddity ?
Cant say any of the medium passives ever worked to be honest.
No way to test and never felt different.Edited by Rune_Relic on September 19, 2014 7:02PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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✭Nightstrider wrote: »
Regaining stealth is very very often impossible in PvP. In non-solo/gank situations, like keep taking, I usually maintain a 1 death to 10-15 kill ratio. Now it's 1 in 5 if I'm lucky. Since the new patch, if I start a fight that I can't finish (more enemies join in, it's a DK with 72387540 points of armor), I cannot regain stealth through crouching or through shadow cloak. The eye remains open if I crouch, and cloak pops me in and out so fast I barely even see the red color. Other classes don't seem to have this problem!!! I see them crouch in stealth and disappear all the time while I'm fighting them and they are running away. Vampire characters will hit mist form and crouch while running away, and they're gone.
RARELY, shadow cloak will work and I'll be able to cloak out, run, cloak again before it expires, move some more, cloak again... hide behind a tree and when it's done... Oh look, they eye is wide open still. The bad guys are running in the other direction with mage light on, no clue where I am... I have no DoTs on anyone... and I'm sitting there with my head stuck in a tree trying to hide my health bar from anyone looking for it until 20 seconds or so pass by and the eye closes.
And that's on the NOOBS -- The smart players spam bombard/pulsar/whirling etc, the second you stealth, so you get pulled from it before you can even move.
You telling me this isn't normal? I only play NB in pvp so don't know how other classes fair, but I'm always stuck out of stealth. I have to wait an age for the eye to close even when there's no one about.1 -
Dissentinel✭✭✭
Is this for certain? I play a Breton Nightblade, but I feel that my stealth radius is bugged, too.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Ok everyone, thanks so much for your help and patience. We have identified what the main issue is here: both the racial passive Stealthy and the item set Nightshade are not currently working. We are hard at work fixing both of these, and apologize for the frustration this has caused. We'll let you know when you can expect to see the fix.
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Howl✭✭✭Wood elf Templar in full medium armour. My sneak radius is HUGE since the patch. It's not just the racial passives, it must be the medium armour bonus as well.Edited by Howl on September 20, 2014 12:43AM0
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Frustrating day today. I think Im gonna be the highlight reel to uber DKs spamming talons, whip, shield charge.. while I helplessly spam cloak as a NB caster. Getting charged from over 15 away while having cloak up is pissing me off.
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With DKs and Temps having on demand heals, spell reflects standing in 10 people and health not going down. Sorc (stacking absorb to LOL not lose health) Sorc bolt escaping endlessly faster than Silence+Vamp with no vamp fire oblivion.. You guys think our abilities could function properly and still it's uphill in comparison.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Ok everyone, thanks so much for your help and patience. We have identified what the main issue is here: both the racial passive Stealthy and the item set Nightshade are not currently working. We are hard at work fixing both of these, and apologize for the frustration this has caused. We'll let you know when you can expect to see the fix.
Lol I use nightshade, nights silence. Concealed weapon, shaqdow cloak and am a wood elf.
When the fixes are applied I'm going to be superman.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
addappt✭Dark elf
Nightblade
All racial passives
All medium armour and passives
All shadow and assasin nightblade passives
Hundings rage x 5
Ashen grip x 3
2h great sword & hundings rage bow
Issue is with shadowy disguise or dark cloak won't stealth with aggro at all. Still visible, still taking damage, still targetable. Renders skills useless.Edited by addappt on September 20, 2014 2:38AM1 -
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✭Well, I just got on my NB for the first time since the patch. My sneak speed with Night Silence on (five piece set) is identical to my sneak speed without it on. Same with stamina loss, the same regardless of whether I wear it or not.
Good job ZOS. Way to go, again.Edited by OrangeTheCat on September 20, 2014 2:54AM1 -
I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Or Bram's Stoker Dracula -- guy shaving and gets tapped on the shoulder only to turn around and the VAMPIRE is in the door way about 30 feet away.
What is it about being a supernatural being with being able to sneak at incredible speeds do people not get?
Bram Stoker Dracula-Children of the Night put that in youtube
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GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Ok everyone, thanks so much for your help and patience. We have identified what the main issue is here: both the racial passive Stealthy and the item set Nightshade are not currently working. We are hard at work fixing both of these, and apologize for the frustration this has caused. We'll let you know when you can expect to see the fix.
Could we have some acknowledgement that the Medium Armour stealth passives have been looked at and are confirmed as working/not working?
I've got 5 skill points invested in stealth, 3 racial (Kahjiit) and 2 medium armour and it feels as if none are working and I have no stealth bonuses at all. Fixing the racial passives would be great, but we may still be compromised and wasting skills points if the armour passives aren't working.Edited by GrimMauKin on September 20, 2014 6:25AMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.1 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Or Bram's Stoker Dracula -- guy shaving and gets tapped on the shoulder only to turn around and the VAMPIRE is in the door way about 30 feet away.
What is it about being a supernatural being with being able to sneak at incredible speeds do people not get?
Bram Stoker Dracula-Children of the Night put that in youtube
Lol what is there to get?
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
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speed, and lots of it, on a constant basis.jelliedsoup wrote: »wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Or Bram's Stoker Dracula -- guy shaving and gets tapped on the shoulder only to turn around and the VAMPIRE is in the door way about 30 feet away.
What is it about being a supernatural being with being able to sneak at incredible speeds do people not get?
Bram Stoker Dracula-Children of the Night put that in youtube
Lol what is there to get?
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno I have tested this with just medium armour passive too. Sneak range is the same naked as with 7 pieces of non-set medium so Improved Sneak seems to be affected too.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
Legio Mortuum2 -
rwross✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno I know you mentioned the Nightshade set, but can you also confirm that you guys are working to fix the Night's Silence set as well. The 5+ piece bonus to sneak speak (not radius) is not working either.0
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addappt✭How about confirming that shadowy disguise and dark cloak actually even work at all. Currently they don't actually cloak. You just continue to get nuked by enemy even though your supposed to be invisible. Pretty disappointing.2
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✭rhogarth2b14a_ESO wrote: »The entire NB class is hosed to be honest. It seems to get more and more broken with each patch. The other 3 classes have their primary skills in order that keep them viable. NB fundamental skills are flat out f#*@ed, particularly when it comes to pvp.
Dragon knights talons and standards working ok? Yep spam that *** like a boss.
How about Sorcs shields, streaks, and endless ultimate spamming, they working ok? Yep, everyone and their momma rockin these nonstop.
How about Templars blazing shields, heals n stuff, they working ok? Yep you better pack a lunch trying to kill one.
And how about NB's......err...what is it that is supposed to set them apart again? Oh right, their stealth and speed. How's that going for them? I think the answer is obvious to everyone accept the Devs, who apparently think this game is still in closed Beta.
Well, technically it is: we're the closed pc beta for the console launch.
psst, don't tell Zeni... but the console launch is shaping up to be one of the greatest game bombs of all time.
Otherwise, I agree with all that you have said.
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jelliedsoup wrote: »wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Or Bram's Stoker Dracula -- guy shaving and gets tapped on the shoulder only to turn around and the VAMPIRE is in the door way about 30 feet away.
What is it about being a supernatural being with being able to sneak at incredible speeds do people not get?
Bram Stoker Dracula-Children of the Night put that in youtube
Lol what is there to get?
Vampires everywhere are Silent and Sneaky and fast as hell
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GwaynLoki✭✭✭wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Or Bram's Stoker Dracula -- guy shaving and gets tapped on the shoulder only to turn around and the VAMPIRE is in the door way about 30 feet away.
What is it about being a supernatural being with being able to sneak at incredible speeds do people not get?
Bram Stoker Dracula-Children of the Night put that in youtube
Lol what is there to get?
Vampires everywhere are Silent and Sneaky and fast as hell
So you basically want to disintegrate into dust the moment sunlight touches you, too? Sounds ok.
Edited by GwaynLoki on September 20, 2014 10:45AM4 -
Catsmoke14✭✭✭Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race Khajiit
Class Night Blade
Armor and weapons equipped: All 7 pieces Medium plus Bow
Slotted passives: Medium Armor Stealth passive 1/2 "Improved Sneak"
(21 % Detection Area Decrease) plus many others, like Kahjiit "Stealthy".
Attempted to sneak up on NPC enemy both naked (0 bonus) and with armor (max bonus).
Results:
THE MEDIUM ARMOR PASSIVE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN SNEAK RANGE
I submitted a bug and thought I saved the number but of course that didn't work either.
Also I have no way of knowing if my Khajiit Racial Bonus is working. Can't test that.Edited by Catsmoke14 on September 20, 2014 1:16PM1 -
bunnytrix✭✭✭✭We all know through our playing/testing that the stealth radius problem is more than just Stealthy passive not working, for instance :-
THE MEDIUM ARMOR PASSIVE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN SNEAK RANGE
Races who do not have Stealthy passive are still seeing that their stealth is broken.
Why is this not reflected in Known Issues?
Edit: known issues been updated that there'll be a hotfix .Edited by bunnytrix on September 20, 2014 2:21PM1 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity Manager
Yes, the Night's Silence movement bonus isn't working either, but will be fixed in Monday's patch.@ZOS_GinaBruno I know you mentioned the Nightshade set, but can you also confirm that you guys are working to fix the Night's Silence set as well. The 5+ piece bonus to sneak speak (not radius) is not working either.1 -
bunnytrix✭✭✭✭STATUS: Identified that Stealthy and Nightshade are currently broken and are causing this issue. Scheduled to be hotfixed.
Known issues has just been updated with this info...lets see how it pans out. Any time frame on the hotfix please admins ?0 -
Soliquid✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!
Yeah you are 100% correct, Vamps, according to most lore, movies, and shows move at an incredible speed..
I heard a lot of people saying that if using NS set you are a bad NB or a noob. Then what's the problem,why can't we not play the way we want. Playing Vampire with NS set was just FUN, I did liked to play it in pve as well as in pvp. We aren't allmighty with this skill, we can't stand alone against 10 foes and surviving. It's was just funny to play. Thanks for undoing that, thanks for encouraging us the play the same Sthtyi(136245) OP way.Edited by Soliquid on September 20, 2014 2:08PMBeta testeur non rémunéré6 -
DeaconFrost✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »
IF you don't like playing with bows, resto staff or sword & board then you better kiss your nb goodbye.
I just started an NB and it's been interesting to see all the comments against the class, yet I see no one deleting theirs. I will most likely level him with a bow but I definitely had my eye set on DW until I read the complaints.
Btw, I have a V2 sorc that will absolutely NOT use a healing staff to do damage. Call me crazy but I emphatically think there's something mechanically wrong when I have to use a resto wep to do damage. On the other hand, he enjoys the bow quite well
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I heard a lot of people saying that if using NS set you are a bad NB or a noob. Then what's the problem,why can't we not play the way we want. Playing Vampire with NS set was just FUN, I did liked to play it in pve as well as in pvp. We aren't allmighty with this skill, we can't stand alone against 10 foes and surviving. It's was just funny to play. Thanks for undoing that, thanks for encouraging us the play the same Sthtyi(136245) OP way.
Life in Tamriel is cruel and incredibly unfair.
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Frustrating day today. I think Im gonna be the highlight reel to uber DKs spamming talons, whip, shield charge.. while I helplessly spam cloak as a NB caster. Getting charged from over 15 away while having cloak up is pissing me off.
Edit
With DKs and Temps having on demand heals, spell reflects standing in 10 people and health not going down. Sorc (stacking absorb to LOL not lose health) Sorc bolt escaping endlessly faster than Silence+Vamp with no vamp fire oblivion.. You guys think our abilities could function properly and still it's uphill in comparison.
Yea it bothers me, to remove our speed benefits, yet sorcs can move at the speed at light,literally, and travel much faster/farther. So yes even if they do fix our stealth and what remains we are still lacking.2 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Will Monday's patch fix all the stealth issues then? I'm hoping that it'll fix the Shadowy Disguise bugs too.I am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.1
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Ok everyone, thanks so much for your help and patience. We have identified what the main issue is here: both the racial passive Stealthy and the item set Nightshade are not currently working. We are hard at work fixing both of these, and apologize for the frustration this has caused. We'll let you know when you can expect to see the fix.
Thanks for looking into and addressing the issues. I feel there is more to it than just racial, as several commented stating sneak was the same with/without medium armor, so improved sneak may be affected, or at least feels like it.1