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NB Fix / Balance Suggestion for shield stacking

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Mykah
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Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.
Edited by Mykah on September 21, 2014 3:48PM
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Mykah wrote: »
    Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

    Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

    wow, that would be useful. I suggest having it only work with melee abilities. Because snipe would be over the top otherwise.
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  • Samadhi
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    Having Mark Target ignore shields is a fantastic idea.

    I hope @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom take note of your post and pass the suggestion along.
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  • Mykah
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mykah wrote: »
    Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

    Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

    wow, that would be useful. I suggest having it only work with melee abilities. Because snipe would be over the top otherwise.

    Good point. Thanks for the input.
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    wow, that would be useful.

    And this is why we will never have this. : c

    I was going to suggest an ability that negates shields (like Negate Magic does for ground effects), personally.

    It does kind of make a little sense for the only class that doesn't have access to a magical shield to specialize in stripping them, though.
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    Varicite wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    wow, that would be useful.

    And this is why we will never have this. : c

    I was going to suggest an ability that negates shields (like Negate Magic does for ground effects), personally.

    It does kind of make a little sense for the only class that doesn't have access to a magical shield to specialize in stripping them, though.

    Three classes have ground-effect ultimates.
    One class has an ultimate that negates ground-effects.

    Three classes have shield skills.
    One class having a method of bypassing shield skills makes sense to me.
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  • Mykah
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    Bump for any kind of dev response.

    Are you guys happy with the state of shield stacking in pvp end game?
  • Saet
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    Or they could make shields so that crits still hit the target.
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  • Mykah
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    Saet wrote: »
    Or they could make shields so that crits still hit the target.
    The problem with this is the impen trait negates crit chance, so shield spammers would still be immune.

    It also makes a lot of sense the only class with no shield ability has an ability to counter shields. It would go a long way in helping NBs perform better 1v1 as they are currently the worst class in that department.
  • cazlonb16_ESO
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    Uh, no.
  • Mykah
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    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Uh, no.

    Why's that?
  • Mograineb16_ESO
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    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.
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    Mykah wrote: »
    Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

    Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

    Nice one ! Lets make Mark Target strip the enemy of all his buffs for 30 sec, not just shields this way ppl will forget about cloak
  • cazlonb16_ESO
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    Mykah wrote: »
    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Uh, no.

    Why's that?

    See the post below yours.

    If there is one thing Nb doesn't need, it's more damage, burst specifically.

    The class is already the best PvE dd and best ganker.
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    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Mykah wrote: »
    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Uh, no.

    Why's that?

    See the post below yours.

    If there is one thing Nb doesn't need, it's more damage, burst specifically.

    The class is already the best PvE dd and best ganker.

    lol anyone can gank the way NBs do and get the same damage, sorcs are actually better at it.

    plus, PvE is irrelevant.
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    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Mykah wrote: »
    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    Uh, no.

    Why's that?

    See the post below yours.

    If there is one thing Nb doesn't need, it's more damage, burst specifically.

    The class is already the best PvE dd and best ganker.

    best in PvE is debatable (though, i tend to agree).

    Sorcs make the best gankers. Nightblades used to be able to keep up, but then they nerfed the DS/NS synergy, so now, nightblades are once again outclassed by sorcs.

    I gank along side a sorc, so I am very much aware of how this works. he will stealth blink and destroy you from practically any range, while I have to slowly creep up. And he can get a better stealth crit with a bow. Thanks surge.

    Sure, I can be deadly in close quarters, but I don't have an escape that is reliable if something goes wrong. A sorc can just streak around, all the while building a frag charge.

    So, no, Nightblades are not the best gankers. We just tend to gravitate towards that role, so you see more nightblade gankers.
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  • Mykah
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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.
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  • Mykah
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    Father wrote: »
    Mykah wrote: »
    Make the Nightblade class ability Mark Target ignore the target's shields. Viola, an actual assassine class and a hard counter for light armor shield stackers.

    Then NB's could actually have a class defining ability besides a broken stealth gimmick.

    Nice one ! Lets make Mark Target strip the enemy of all his buffs for 30 sec, not just shields this way ppl will forget about cloak

    Hyperbole is not effective.

    NBs have no shield. They need an ability to counter shields. Balance 101.

    Not to mention light armor shield stacking spam is out of control right now. I watch Light armor resto staff builds face tank 5 players at a time sustained. This is not good pvp.
    Edited by Mykah on September 21, 2014 5:00PM
  • Mograineb16_ESO
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    Mykah wrote: »
    Are you a mole?
    No, this change is just too good to be true, but I do hate templars and sorcerers who stack shields >:)

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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.

    the good damage you might do, which would be crits, is already completely negated by impen unless you sacrifice everything else to work towards weapon crit. And even then it's not an 100% chance.
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    Someone's attempt at a covert Nightblade petition thread just got locked down..... :)
  • Mograineb16_ESO
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.

    the good damage you might do, which would be crits, is already completely negated by impen unless you sacrifice everything else to work towards weapon crit. And even then it's not an 100% chance.
    No, I dont use crit, I have 6% crit.

    Full light armor with resto staff: 2.5k mana, 148 spell dmg outside sneak and 155 spell dmg in sneak.

    Mark target, ambush 1200, concealed weapon 900, concealed weapon 650, concealed weapon 650, impale 1200 = Total damage done in 3 seconds 4600.

    For thougher targets, ambush + soul thether + concealed weaponx2 + impale.

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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.

    the good damage you might do, which would be crits, is already completely negated by impen unless you sacrifice everything else to work towards weapon crit. And even then it's not an 100% chance.
    No, I dont use crit, I have 6% crit.

    Full light armor with resto staff: 2.5k mana, 148 spell dmg outside sneak and 155 spell dmg in sneak.

    Mark target, ambush 1200, concealed weapon 900, concealed weapon 650, concealed weapon 650, impale 1200 = Total damage done in 3 seconds 4600.

    For thougher targets, ambush + soul thether + concealed weaponx2 + impale.

    soul tether is not that great, tbh. You'd be better off using soul assault.

    But this assumes no one ccs you or responds, or purges off marked target. In which case, anyone can do this. Just with different skills.

    There's that cc with ambush which makes this especially effective, but survival isn't ridiculously uncommon. A lot of DKs that are built effectively will recover without fail.

    I have pissed off so many people just purging marked target over and over.
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  • Mykah
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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.

    the good damage you might do, which would be crits, is already completely negated by impen unless you sacrifice everything else to work towards weapon crit. And even then it's not an 100% chance.
    No, I dont use crit, I have 6% crit.

    Full light armor with resto staff: 2.5k mana, 148 spell dmg outside sneak and 155 spell dmg in sneak.

    Mark target, ambush 1200, concealed weapon 900, concealed weapon 650, concealed weapon 650, impale 1200 = Total damage done in 3 seconds 4600.

    For thougher targets, ambush + soul thether + concealed weaponx2 + impale.
    First of if you use Mark Target in stealth on someone and they don't immedietly start blocking and dropping AE your target is bad.

    Secondly, Mark Target Ambush Concealed Weapon right there your in the 3 second range.

    This is unrealistic theory craft.
  • Mograineb16_ESO
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    soul tether is not that great, tbh. You'd be better off using soul assault.

    But this assumes no one ccs you or responds, or purges off marked target. In which case, anyone can do this. Just with different skills.

    There's that cc with ambush which makes this especially effective, but survival isn't ridiculously uncommon. A lot of DKs that are built effectively will recover without fail.

    I have pissed off so many people just purging marked target over and over.
    Soul thether is great, it does 1.4k dmg instant and then ticks for 200 per second during 6 seconds.

    And that is how I kill dks.

    Nobody purge mark because I dont mark until im in ambush range, so its mark then instant ambush.

    Ofc there is other circumstances where people purge mark, but that doesnt have anything to do with this :)
    Mykah wrote: »
    First of if you use Mark Target in stealth on someone and they don't immedietly start blocking and dropping AE your target is bad.

    Secondly, Mark Target Ambush Concealed Weapon right there your in the 3 second range.

    This is unrealistic theory craft.
    No, if your target blocks, you send in shades to remove their stamina and force them to drop block.

    From the moment my damage hits you, it takes 3 seconds and then you are dead. I wasnt counting the seconds it takes to mark a target and then load ambush.

    This is not unrealistic theory crafting, its what I do everyday ingame.

    Edited by Mograineb16_ESO on September 21, 2014 5:24PM
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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    soul tether is not that great, tbh. You'd be better off using soul assault.

    But this assumes no one ccs you or responds, or purges off marked target. In which case, anyone can do this. Just with different skills.

    There's that cc with ambush which makes this especially effective, but survival isn't ridiculously uncommon. A lot of DKs that are built effectively will recover without fail.

    I have pissed off so many people just purging marked target over and over.
    Soul thether is great, it does 1.4k dmg instant and then ticks for 200 per second during 6 seconds.

    And that is how I kill dks.

    Nobody purge mark because I dont mark until im in ambush range, so its mark then instant ambush.

    Ofc there is other circumstances where people purge mark, but that doesnt have anything to do with this :)

    the only times I have failed to purge mark fast enough have been when people are sniping me. Usually it involves camouflaged hunter if I am especially unlucky. Animation cancelling allows them to spam venom arrow like mad right after a snipe. If they are smart, then snipe THEN marked target so I don't have time to purge it.

    With hunter they don't really need marked target anymore tho.
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  • Mykah
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    From a burst nigtblade point of view, this change would be OP. I would be able to kill everyone in the game in 3 seconds. I can already do that if their shield isnt active, but now even if they activate their shield I still kill them, the cries would never end. :)

    Shield is the only thing that prevents me from ambush you, since my burst is negated by it.

    the good damage you might do, which would be crits, is already completely negated by impen unless you sacrifice everything else to work towards weapon crit. And even then it's not an 100% chance.
    No, I dont use crit, I have 6% crit.

    Full light armor with resto staff: 2.5k mana, 148 spell dmg outside sneak and 155 spell dmg in sneak.

    Mark target, ambush 1200, concealed weapon 900, concealed weapon 650, concealed weapon 650, impale 1200 = Total damage done in 3 seconds 4600.

    For thougher targets, ambush + soul thether + concealed weaponx2 + impale.

    soul tether is not that great, tbh. You'd be better off using soul assault.

    But this assumes no one ccs you or responds, or purges off marked target. In which case, anyone can do this. Just with different skills.

    There's that cc with ambush which makes this especially effective, but survival isn't ridiculously uncommon. A lot of DKs that are built effectively will recover without fail.

    I have pissed off so many people just purging marked target over and over.

    Thanks for the honest post, and you added a great point concerning my suggested change: Purge

    Purge would become more important with this change and I think that's a good thing. It would create an actual system of dynamic counters. P1 Shields, P2 Mark's Target, P1 Purges and P1's shield is still active, P2 has to burn mana again to Mark or dps down the shield. This is an actual dynamic system of counters vs the stagnent instant shield spam currently plauging pvp.
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    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    the only times I have failed to purge mark fast enough have been when people are sniping me. Usually it involves camouflaged hunter if I am especially unlucky. Animation cancelling allows them to spam venom arrow like mad right after a snipe. If they are smart, then snipe THEN marked target so I don't have time to purge it.

    With hunter they don't really need marked target anymore tho.
    Yeah and that is if you know im there, you wont be purging my mark if you are on a horse, siege and just on your way to a fight or busy with something else. But if you now have that fast fingers to purge, thats awesome. I just wont attack you, I mark you 6 times then run away >:)

    Edit:Sorry, I forgot the topic of this discussion, we are talking about you having your shield active and you keep purging to not make me remove your shield. Yeah you are right, I wont be able to attack you in that case.
    Edited by Mograineb16_ESO on September 21, 2014 5:29PM
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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    the only times I have failed to purge mark fast enough have been when people are sniping me. Usually it involves camouflaged hunter if I am especially unlucky. Animation cancelling allows them to spam venom arrow like mad right after a snipe. If they are smart, then snipe THEN marked target so I don't have time to purge it.

    With hunter they don't really need marked target anymore tho.
    Yeah and that is if you know im there, you wont be purging my mark if you are on a horse, siege and just on your way to a fight or busy with something else. But if you now have that fast fingers to purge, thats awesome. I just wont attack you, I mark you 6 times then run away >:)

    yea if you are on a horse or siege, you have a poor chance of surviving an ambush by NBs AND Sorcs in general though, if they are specced for ganking.

    Just too much time to get oriented and free of the horse or weapon.
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  • Mykah
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    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    the only times I have failed to purge mark fast enough have been when people are sniping me. Usually it involves camouflaged hunter if I am especially unlucky. Animation cancelling allows them to spam venom arrow like mad right after a snipe. If they are smart, then snipe THEN marked target so I don't have time to purge it.

    With hunter they don't really need marked target anymore tho.
    Edit:Sorry, I forgot the topic of this discussion, we are talking about you having your shield active and you keep purging to not make me remove your shield. Yeah you are right, I wont be able to attack you in that case.

    So even with this change shield spells will still be viable in conjucture with purge.
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    Mykah wrote: »
    Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
    smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

    the only times I have failed to purge mark fast enough have been when people are sniping me. Usually it involves camouflaged hunter if I am especially unlucky. Animation cancelling allows them to spam venom arrow like mad right after a snipe. If they are smart, then snipe THEN marked target so I don't have time to purge it.

    With hunter they don't really need marked target anymore tho.
    Edit:Sorry, I forgot the topic of this discussion, we are talking about you having your shield active and you keep purging to not make me remove your shield. Yeah you are right, I wont be able to attack you in that case.

    So even with this change shield spells will still be viable in conjucture with purge.
    Yep, haha <3

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