Fix Dragon Leap NOW!!

MormondPayne_EP · September 2014

I don't know if it works as intended or not but there is one particular DC player who is quite fond of doing this, unfortunately I can't name him here but here is how my self and some mates deal with him.

1) Set up 3-4 oil pots in the corner tower of the keep.
2) Send the "bait" out onto the corner section of the keep and do a little jig, some pushups or sit in the chair to entice said player.
3) As the dragon night leaps in, we all drop oil, someone drops some CC and we all have a good laugh.

Note; this does not stop him from continuing to do this but you would have though he would get sick of dying in a hot oil bath but no, he continues to fall for the trap.

Ezareth · September 2014

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

so you write an essay and you claim not to be mad?
I skimmed through it. my response is, i am better than all the DK's you listed.

let me relist them for your enjoyment,

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than:
Hova, Sypher, Naw Sunrest, Mimiron, AOE BBQ. EP: Tripe, Mighterknot, Agrippa.

question, who the *** is saphy??

I read your sig agian, only person i know from TKO worth mentioning is decado. good nb. rest of your guilds, i dont even know who are they, nor heard of them. but i am damn sure you and any of your friends heard of me.

as 50cent said, get better or die trying.

Sypher and Sieg Blackheart are the best two DKs I've played against. No one on DC or EP I've fought compare.

I won't speak I'll of the rest but you aren't even in that league. AoE farming carebears and PUGs only makes you good at that.

Sypher · September 2014

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than: Sypher

tplink3r1 · September 2014

thats not an exploit and i hope templars get something like this in the future.
cry more pls.

Braidas · September 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

thats not an exploit and i hope templars get something like this in the future.
cry more pls.

yes let temps throw a giant spear at the front door or just get like a 100k or w/e it takes blazing shield hit

Columba · September 2014

Lol. This is a non issues. A few Dks have tried that. Half are volcanic ruined off the wall, the rest I can cc , stealth and kite from range. Good luck killing me while I snipe you from the guards.

I died to this once - the first time only - when I had never seen the skill and stared in stupefied disbelief as the DK flew across the courtyard. Now I know the signs and can drop a rune and move.

Junipus · September 2014

It doesn't really need a nerf.

It requires people to stand at the edge to be targeted, and even then a misplaced jump can leave the DK stuck in the wall. I've seen it happen many times.

Eventually players will learn to stay away from the very edge of keep walls when besieged. They should do that anyway since standing at the edge of the wall normally means you get sniped to death.

Against a well organised defense on the walls though, jumping DKs don't last long even with healing support.

Sypher · September 2014

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

It doesn't really need a nerf.

It requires people to stand at the edge to be targeted, and even then a misplaced jump can leave the DK stuck in the wall. I've seen it happen many times.

Eventually players will learn to stay away from the very edge of keep walls when besieged. They should do that anyway since standing at the edge of the wall normally means you get sniped to death.

Against a well organised defense on the walls though, jumping DKs don't last long even with healing support.

To get inside the first wall you need another player (All Keeps). However, on some keeps you can leap into the inner wall just using the keep mages who are on the edge.

Dleatherus · September 2014

pardon me for saying so but some of you are being very very naive

it hasn't been that long since we were subjected (on Celarus by the emperor farmers in particular) to the dk chain pulling exploit

how long do you think it is before the trolls setting down the forward camps conveniently stand in the corner of a keep and allow a half dozen+ dk's 'fly in' - i have seen 12+ "friendly enemies" pulled up onto keep walls?

wait until one of your home scroll keeps way away from the action is ninja capped in this manner on a frequent basis - then we'll see whether you'll want it nerfed or not

there's a reason that they are lowering the terrain around the keeps so that the kind of exploiting mentioned above can't take place

D.

Columba · September 2014

Designing out every single possible exploit from people joining the enemy faction is fruitless. It will never be possible. There will always be traitors. It will wreck the game to over nerf things just to eliminate all unintended consequences.

Dleatherus · September 2014

you will never be able to eliminate it - there's ALWAYS a certain number amount of individuals who enjoy these kind of shenanigans

can you imagine what the outcry would be like at the moment if you could still DK chain pull AND place troll forward camps and have a keep fall within minutes with no hope of defending it???

so whereas you can't design out every single possible exploit, you certainly want to take out those that you can - this is one of them

D.

kijima · September 2014

Take flight doesn't need a nerf, I'm happy for DK's to fly around thinking they are batman, all good. Actually, I'm envious of that skill. It looks fantastic on a battlefield, not so aweome when they are landing on you of course.

But flying up onto a keep wall (yes, it can be done using the mages) is just stupid.

Fix the terrain around keeps to stop it from happening, that is all it needs.

Dleatherus · September 2014

kijima wrote: »

Take flight doesn't need a nerf, I'm happy for DK's to fly around thinking they are batman, all good. Actually, I'm envious of that skill. It looks fantastic on a battlefield, not so aweome when they are landing on you of course.

But flying up onto a keep wall (yes, it can be done using the mages) is just stupid.

Fix the terrain around keeps to stop it from happening, that is all it needs.

agreed - i'm NOT advocating a nerf of the entire skill, far from it - i think it's awesome folks have fun with it - just needs to be adjusted enough to be ineffective inside keeps - as it stands at the moment, lowering the terrain outside the keep won't stop the enemy troll on your faction from standing in an advantageous section of the inner keep in particular, to prevent this kind of stuff from happening

D.

dcincali · September 2014

Vote Haelga 2015! The OG dragon leaper of all. The rest of you are just followers.

Rylana · September 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

so you write an essay and you claim not to be mad?
I skimmed through it. my response is, i am better than all the DK's you listed.

let me relist them for your enjoyment,

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than:
Hova, Sypher, Naw Sunrest, Mimiron, AOE BBQ. EP: Tripe, Mighterknot, Agrippa.

question, who the *** is saphy??

I read your sig agian, only person i know from TKO worth mentioning is decado. good nb. rest of your guilds, i dont even know who are they, nor heard of them. but i am damn sure you and any of your friends heard of me.

as 50cent said, get better or die trying.

Sypher and Sieg Blackheart are the best two DKs I've played against. No one on DC or EP I've fought compare.

I won't speak I'll of the rest but you aren't even in that league. AoE farming carebears and PUGs only makes you good at that.

Hm, Sieg never impressed me. he seemed quite ordinary to me. Perhaps he has improved since the last I saw him, what almost three weeks ago.

Also regarding tripe - dude always used sword n board and i never seen him use templar skills, so if he is one, hes a better dk than most dks, while being a templar.

Not all that familiar with the EP names anyway, never have been, I mostly fight DC people in open field.

Edit to add: Mrs Jones, Saphyroth is the Aldmeri Vice DK with over 4100 health that you 1v1 and lost to. Asked him about you in teamspeak tonight, according to him youre the most killed person in his codex at over 100. Dare say he alone proves you wrong. If youre the "gold standard" then Saphy is platinum.

Tintinabula · September 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than: Sypher

I feel it too Syph...too bad you didnt have a GIF of the cute one.

Spangla · September 2014

So amusing that many people think this is ok! - Oh wait, that's because most people are dk's now, cause they re-rolled as dk is clearly massively op.

Please wake up zenimax these pro geek dk's with no life need to be silenced and taught to share - Im sorry Dk's cannot have god mode jump into keep just no lol.

Sort of takes the p*** that the discussion needs to be had lol

Braidas · September 2014

Rylana wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

so you write an essay and you claim not to be mad?
I skimmed through it. my response is, i am better than all the DK's you listed.

let me relist them for your enjoyment,

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than:
Hova, Sypher, Naw Sunrest, Mimiron, AOE BBQ. EP: Tripe, Mighterknot, Agrippa.

question, who the *** is saphy??

I read your sig agian, only person i know from TKO worth mentioning is decado. good nb. rest of your guilds, i dont even know who are they, nor heard of them. but i am damn sure you and any of your friends heard of me.

as 50cent said, get better or die trying.

Sypher and Sieg Blackheart are the best two DKs I've played against. No one on DC or EP I've fought compare.

I won't speak I'll of the rest but you aren't even in that league. AoE farming carebears and PUGs only makes you good at that.

Hm, Sieg never impressed me. he seemed quite ordinary to me. Perhaps he has improved since the last I saw him, what almost three weeks ago.

Also regarding tripe - dude always used sword n board and i never seen him use templar skills, so if he is one, hes a better dk than most dks, while being a templar.

Not all that familiar with the EP names anyway, never have been, I mostly fight DC people in open field.

Edit to add: Mrs Jones, Saphyroth is the Aldmeri Vice DK with over 4100 health that you 1v1 and lost to. Asked him about you in teamspeak tonight, according to him youre the most killed person in his codex at over 100. Dare say he alone proves you wrong. If youre the "gold standard" then Saphy is platinum.

rlly? pretty sure i've never seen tripe w/o a blazing shield

Cody · September 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Siluen wrote: »

I would actually love everyone to be able to scale walls with ropes and grappling hooks like was displayed in the cinematic trailer. Keep defense feels a little too easy currently!

You're right! People should be able to scale both walls (outer and inner) and claim the flags and the keep without the keep ever showing as under attack. There's not enough ninja sieging going on at the moment, we need more.

It's unacceptable that people trying to claim Emp in the middle of the night with their 10-man team, currently have to spend around 60" to bring down each wall of an undefended keep. They should just be able to scale over and be done with it in under 10"

/sarcasm off

it would be helpful during battle to get past oil breaches. you have to look at the full picture:)

Maulkin · September 2014

Cody wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Siluen wrote: »

I would actually love everyone to be able to scale walls with ropes and grappling hooks like was displayed in the cinematic trailer. Keep defense feels a little too easy currently!

You're right! People should be able to scale both walls (outer and inner) and claim the flags and the keep without the keep ever showing as under attack. There's not enough ninja sieging going on at the moment, we need more.

It's unacceptable that people trying to claim Emp in the middle of the night with their 10-man team, currently have to spend around 60" to bring down each wall of an undefended keep. They should just be able to scale over and be done with it in under 10"

/sarcasm off

it would be helpful during battle to get past oil breaches. you have to look at the full picture:)

It sure would, that's why I'm against it. Some people think it's too easy to defend keeps atm, but I feel the opposite. If I made any changes it would be towards making it harder to take keeps not easier. Taking keeps is not supposed to be an easy job.

The walls themselves don't present an obstacle. Siege weapons put the attackers out of projectile reach from the walls and they come down so quick anyway it's never a problem. The only difficulty in taking a keep is storming the breach and clearing the defensive FC inside.

If some people could scale the walls to burn the camps or circumvent the breach storming altogether, taking keeps would become too easy for me and make the whole process a charade.

The amount of people that lose interest in keeps and spent their time just farming at resources or bridges would increase drastically.

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Sypher and Sieg Blackheart are the best two DKs I've played against. No one on DC or EP I've fought compare.

QFT

By far these are the best two DKs I know of. Mostly because they beat epic arse even solo.

GaiusCastricius · September 2014

@Rylana "Egospastics" that is the most hilarious word I have seen in a long time xD thank you ~<3

dcincali · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

so you write an essay and you claim not to be mad?
I skimmed through it. my response is, i am better than all the DK's you listed.

let me relist them for your enjoyment,

I am Mrs Jones, I decalre that i am a better DK, no wait, i am a better player than:
Hova, Sypher, Naw Sunrest, Mimiron, AOE BBQ. EP: Tripe, Mighterknot, Agrippa.

question, who the *** is saphy??

I read your sig agian, only person i know from TKO worth mentioning is decado. good nb. rest of your guilds, i dont even know who are they, nor heard of them. but i am damn sure you and any of your friends heard of me.

as 50cent said, get better or die trying.

Sypher and Sieg Blackheart are the best two DKs I've played against. No one on DC or EP I've fought compare.

I won't speak I'll of the rest but you aren't even in that league. AoE farming carebears and PUGs only makes you good at that.

Hm, Sieg never impressed me. he seemed quite ordinary to me. Perhaps he has improved since the last I saw him, what almost three weeks ago.

Also regarding tripe - dude always used sword n board and i never seen him use templar skills, so if he is one, hes a better dk than most dks, while being a templar.

Not all that familiar with the EP names anyway, never have been, I mostly fight DC people in open field.

Edit to add: Mrs Jones, Saphyroth is the Aldmeri Vice DK with over 4100 health that you 1v1 and lost to. Asked him about you in teamspeak tonight, according to him youre the most killed person in his codex at over 100. Dare say he alone proves you wrong. If youre the "gold standard" then Saphy is platinum.

rlly? pretty sure i've never seen tripe w/o a blazing shield

When DB first loaded Tripe was just a shield blocking jabs abuser... Glad they have added anther skill to their bar. 3 left.. *winky face*

booksmcread · September 2014

I baited a couple into leaping to me last night while I was on a tall wall. If you bash them just before they are about to land...

Antirob · September 2014

Would be very helpful if you added what keep it was. This way the devs can acutally fix the problem instead of crying about it.

Evergnar · September 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Okay if DK's get to keep that skill then I want a rope and a grappling hook for every NightBlade.

Why should you have all the fun?

I fully support this idea as I have both a DK & NB. Personally I'm all for keeping DK leap onto low keep walls but every class should have something similar to make it fair.

Tintinabula · September 2014

Chalman Keep is one of them

Grim13 · October 2014

Bloodmayne from the southeast tower. Just had 3-4 EP DKs leap into the keep.

Fix it already, zos.

Braidas · October 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

Bloodmayne from the southeast tower. Just had 3-4 EP DKs leap into the keep.

Fix it already, zos.

can you not kill them? lol

Luvsfuzzybunnies · October 2014

aco5712 wrote: »

They are changing/apparently changed the terrain around some keeps to stop this. The ambush one is kinda hard to stop and very difficult to time.

I've done this on 2 separate occasions on my NB and have not intended it either time. I also did not like the zerg inside waiting for me as I came thru. I wish they would fix these things as well.