UrQuan wrote: »

Either hunt down that source (which I and others have already challenged other people to do in this thread, and nobody has been able to find a source saying that), or your claim that this goes against the lore is utterly baseless and invalid.

I've seen sources that say that senche are sometimes used as mounts (there are actually links to those sources in this thread). I've never seen any sources that say that they only allow Khajiit to ride them.

Because it is an obvious fact when you read others infos surrounding the Senche-Tigers.

1. They are hunted by Bosmers.
2. The Redguards import (read: "import", what do you need more for a proof?) some of their body parts.
3. They are considered like beasts by all races except their Khajiit cousins.
4. You said yourself: "I've seen sources that say that senche are sometimes used as mounts" so, read again: "sometimes" and certainly not by everybody, whoever they are and wherever they come from.

Read the wikies, read the books in the solo games and the books IRL.
There can't be any doubt about this.

And about the Sancha, you must be kidding.
Races are a very essential and a relatively rigid aspect in the lore.
They belong to the base elements.
You can't just change or reinvent that kind of essential and primal things.
Or you can, but, hey, there we are, discussing about it.
This isn't like vampires at all...

(sorry if my sentences are maybe a bit weird sometimes, as English isn't my native language)

nolankotulan wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Either hunt down that source (which I and others have already challenged other people to do in this thread, and nobody has been able to find a source saying that), or your claim that this goes against the lore is utterly baseless and invalid.

I've seen sources that say that senche are sometimes used as mounts (there are actually links to those sources in this thread). I've never seen any sources that say that they only allow Khajiit to ride them.

Because it is an obvious fact when you read others infos surrounding the Senche-Tigers.

1. They are hunted by Bosmers.
2. The Redguards import (read: "import", what do you need more for a proof?) some of their body parts.
3. They are considered like beasts by all races except their Khajiit cousins.
4. You said yourself: "I've seen sources that say that senche are sometimes used as mounts" so, read again: "sometimes" and certainly not by everybody, wherever they come from.

Read the wikies, read the books in the solo games and the books IRL.
There can't be any doubt about this.

And about the Sancha, you must be kidding.
Races are a very essential and rigid aspect in the lore.
These are ones of the base elements things.
You can't just change or reinvent that kind essential and primal of things.
Or you can, but, hey, here we are, discussing about it.
This isn't like vampires at all...

(sorry if my sentences are maybe a bit weird sometimes, as English isn't my native language)

Everything is hunted by bosmers, they are cannibals even.

The Redguard beliefs and customs, especially their superstitions about magic, lead them to do strange things. It does not in any way justify the practice, but I'm sure it's not exclusive to khajiit.

So were the orcs.

Sometimes, indeed.

I don't know how far I'm willing to let them stretch the lore, but the Senche when included should be a RARE mount. It needs a long and difficult questline at minimum.

nolankotulan wrote: »

I don't have time to, really, search in the books and in the solo games (a lot of lore come from the in-game books, you know it, right?) now and the things I wrote in my last message speak for themselves. This isn't in my head. Think what you want, but this is pure logic.

No, it actually is purely in your head. When I say I want you to cite your source, I'm specifically talking about the in-game books. You know what? I haven't found a single one that says anything that even remotely suggests that senche-tigers are only ever ridden by Khajiit. If the lore doesn't exist, then it's not lore-breaking. Pure and simple, end of story.

And as far as "oh you would never find an in-game source saying something as precise as this" I call complete bull. Have you ever even read any of the in-game books? An awful lot of them are in the form of guides of some sort that are specifically meant to teach in-universe people about things that they might not otherwise know. As such, they are frequently precise about things along these lines. If only Khajiit could ride senche, it's a damn good bet that an in-game guide (most likely the Sugar Belly one) would mention that.

Now one thing that the lore is clear on is that senche are not commonly used as mounts (although there is never any implication that the fact that they are rarely found as mounts means that they only let Khajiit ride them), so they should somehow be made rare in-game.

nolankotulan wrote: »

And about the Sancha, you must be kidding.
Races are a very essential and a relatively rigid aspect in the lore.
They belong to the base elements.
You can't just change or reinvent that kind of essential and primal things.
Or you can, but, hey, there we are, discussing about it.
This isn't like vampires at all...

(sorry if my sentences are maybe a bit weird sometimes, as English isn't my native language)

Quite sure there is nothing stopping them actually.

Did it in the lore say there arent any other kind of tiger in the world during this period?

No?

Then they can for sure add anything they want and it wouldnt be really breaking the lore , they would just be going around it.

nolankotulan wrote: »

This isn't because they already broke some aspects of the lore that we have to accept everything. This isn't a good point at all.

I can't imagine staying on that game and keep calling it a TES with running-everywhere mounted Senche-Tigers...

What a WoW like bullsh#*t!

If you are going to mind this level of lore "break" then you will probably be soon having a lot of headaches.

Soon ice wraiths will become pets , that is the pattern here mate.

Quite sure if they want to add senche tigers like mounts , then we will have senche tigers like mounts.

And really , doubt most of the players will complain , hell , most will be more than happy to have tigers mounts probably. (then again , this is me betting :P)

Tyr wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Im happy people get their senche mount, but when can my Dunmer get his Khajit/Altmer slave Sedan Chair mount?

The irony is that that is literally what a sench mount would be for any other race but khajit. It would be a khajit slave because senche are just khajit that look like tigers, they aren't dumb animals or pets and they aren't tamable.

ZOS just invented this senche-tiger *** so they could make them tamed pets to other races and mounts now.

The devs are straight up being dishonest about the sench-tigers not being lore breaking.
It's just really awfully dumb.

Why?

If you bought them on a stable just like a horse? Then yeah sure you are right.

BUT if they made a quest chain where you interact with one for some reason , be save it/help it...

In the end gaining his trust and thus they want you to ride them so they can adventure with you and so on.

Why is that not possible?

If they are inteligent like the khajit why wouldnt they become friends with others?

Sure it would be something that took more effort than getting a horse. But can someone find in lore where it says they wouldnt do such a thing?

(this is not even a rare thing to see in other RPGs even, example unicorns , which are highly intelligent but do take riders from time to time. TES did have dragons become mounts even , what is to say you cant make a senche tiger become your slave and drive you around even :P ? )

nolankotulan wrote: »

Think what you want. You don't get the point about the definition of "textually".*

OK, I think maybe you don't understand what "textually" means. It just means "related to a text." That's it.

nolankotulan wrote: »

I never said the books weren't precise or whatever you are trying to make me say...

Oh, wait, so you didn't say:

nolankotulan wrote: »

Plus, you will never find something textually written like this: "only Khajiit ride them" in the base TES lore references (books). You could eventually find this on a wiki. But in the books, this make no sense at all; I don't see any circumstance which would involve to precise the thing like this, textually, from inside the lore itself.

Weird, because I could have sworn I just quoted a post where you said exactly that.

nolankotulan wrote: »

Another question: did you already meet, just one single time, a Senche-Tiger mount in the solo games? ... (!)

And horses, did you meet mounted horses?

No? Yes? Think about it...

Ah, so now you're saying that if we haven't actually encountered something in a previous TES game it isn't part of the lore? So now that you can't find an in-game book supporting your position, suddenly the only thing that counts as lore are things that we have physically seen in TES games?

nolankotulan wrote: »

Once again, these facts speak for themself.
YOU are reinventing the lore in your head.

Anyway, I'm out!**

*a good lore is a whole coherent thing, made of multiple coherent aspects, completing each others, and you are asking for a single sentence as a proof when all surrounding descriptions already make a fact obvious. I can't help you more until you stop asking for this single sentence which probably doesn't exist.

Show me exactly how anything in the lore implies that only Khajiit can ride senche. So far you haven't been able to find anything other than the stuff you make up.

@UrQuan‌
I'm done talking with you.
You can't understand simple things and you keep trying to make me say what I never did. Your last post is nothing else than distortion of my words. You still don't understand what means "textually" and keep asking for a single sentence that I'll probably never find, which, for you, is the proof that I'm wrong, ignoring everything else, which in fact, is what is called the lore...

Think what you want now!

Cladius30 wrote: »

I hope this doesn't lead to flying tiger mounts or anything.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/21/article-2296722-18D2A19F000005DC-311_634x286.jpg

Mark my words, this thread alone will make it so they won't appear in game!

A shame really.

KitLightning wrote: »

Silt Strider pweas needless to say it needs to parked outside any habitat

Can't wait to hear the collision complaints on that one.

There has not been any mention since, I think... shame was hoping for senche mounts to come.

Maidenname wrote: »

We need a FREE Bank space for ALL these trophies and pets!

Mounts don't go in the bank

Evergnar wrote: »

I just wish it was race specific (khajiit only mount). One new mount for each race would be cool. Highly doubt Zos will do that though, since they would really need to release them all at the same time.

My main is something of a crazy cat lady. She's Breton but reallllly wants a tiger mount! lol However, the idea of racial mounts is pretty interesting. What do people see as being the "ideal" mount for each race?

Also... I would dearly love to know when "soon" is regarding this addition.