[News] Senche-Tiger Mount Confirmed Soon^TM

Drazhar14 · September 2014

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Shunravi · September 2014

Martinus72 wrote: »

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Senche are khajiit, and I do not see why a khajiit would refuse to travel with (and in this ccase carry) someone it has come to trust/respect, regardless of race.

That being said, I hope they implement a quest where you earn said trust instead of simply purchasing a mount. (I am awaiting a few choice dunmer comments.)

curlyqloub14_ESO · September 2014

Tapio75 wrote: »

In any case, the should never be a gift, furthermore it is even more foolish to let people have these for gol, no matter how costly.

Only way ti get one would be firstly and most importantly be a Khajit, then you have to go through a serious vet level quest chain to convince one to be your mount and i mean real tedious so that less people will have them.

I don't care about whether it's restricted to Khajit or not, but I definitely agree that it should only be obtainable via quest. And it should be a loooong, multi-part, challenging quest. An epic quest - I wish there were more of those in general. Make people work for something a little bit, and it has way more meaning when you finally get it. I would be extremely disappointed if, when this comes, you can just walk up to a stablemaster and buy it for 150k gold or whatever ridiculous price they pick.

For example:

UrQuan wrote: »

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

^^^ This is a great start idea.

Venereous44 · September 2014

Wait.. there is a Khajiit mount?! So you're literally riding the back of a Khajiit? That's awesome!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Shunravi wrote: »

Martinus72 wrote: »

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Senche are khajiit, and I do not see why a khajiit would refuse to travel with (and in this ccase carry) someone it has come to trust/respect, regardless of race.

That being said, I hope they implement a quest where you earn said trust instead of simply purchasing a mount. (I am awaiting a few choice dunmer comments.)

yes they are sentient, and outside of Elsweyr their autonomy amounts to nothing. Furthermore, their entire nation is fighting you if you are EP or DC.

If it was one person in one instance breaking the lore, you could make excuses out of it,but as it will be provided to all players, it will be very common. Which destroys the fact that senche do not let outsiders ride them.

Everything about it punches the lore right in the face. I can't way until they release dragon mounts, personally.

Dominoid · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm really surprised more people aren't enraged by what a huge lore break this is. I know people quitting because of this news.

Without the lore of TES, this is just another generic MMO. I didn't sign on for that.

If I wasn't already disenfranchised by so many other things, this would probably be a very big problem for me. As it stands, I expect nothing from ZOS but disappointment.

Do you have a lore source? 'Cause I went to the Imperial Library and read everything about this mount and there is absolutely nothing that says this breaks lore.

I assume your problem is that you espouse that only Khajiit can ride them? Which once again isn't IN THE LORE.

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm really surprised more people aren't enraged by what a huge lore break this is. I know people quitting because of this news.

Without the lore of TES, this is just another generic MMO. I didn't sign on for that.

If I wasn't already disenfranchised by so many other things, this would probably be a very big problem for me. As it stands, I expect nothing from ZOS but disappointment.

*shrugs*

In the end "lore" is really open , as long as they dont literally go against it in some major way , then it is acceptable.

Even the single player TES games "break the lore" ( more like shape it , since they are the ones to actually say what is or isnt ) from time to time by adding stuff , probably the most recent one that i keep mentioning on the vampire threads is the vampire lord.

Each of us have probably a different list of things they could or shouldnt change in the lore.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Dominoid wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm really surprised more people aren't enraged by what a huge lore break this is. I know people quitting because of this news.

Without the lore of TES, this is just another generic MMO. I didn't sign on for that.

If I wasn't already disenfranchised by so many other things, this would probably be a very big problem for me. As it stands, I expect nothing from ZOS but disappointment.

Do you have a lore source? 'Cause I went to the Imperial Library and read everything about this mount and there is absolutely nothing that says this breaks lore.

I assume your problem is that you espouse that only Khajiit can ride them? Which once again isn't IN THE LORE.

Yes, only khajiit riding the senche is in the lore. I would actually hunt down the reference but I have to drive an hour into town, maybe afterwards since I won't have access to the game.

Here's the thing, you guys keep saying that it's only a problem if there is a big break in the lore. This is a HUGE break in the lore. Anything like this that is exactly opposite of what the lore states, due to it being extremely common once everyone has access, is a very big deal.

Furthermore, if you think it's going to stop here, you are fooling yourself. You have seen how ZOS so readily responds to complaints or appeals from the playerbase. Most don't care that much about the lore. Eventually they are going to cross a line that ruins the game for you because you didn't hold them to the lore on issue that are vital, but less important to you personally.

incidentally, vampire lords never went against lore. New things are not by default lore breaking. It's when you reverse or directly go against established lore that you break the lore.

Shunravi · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Martinus72 wrote: »

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Senche are khajiit, and I do not see why a khajiit would refuse to travel with (and in this ccase carry) someone it has come to trust/respect, regardless of race.

That being said, I hope they implement a quest where you earn said trust instead of simply purchasing a mount. (I am awaiting a few choice dunmer comments.)

yes they are sentient, and outside of Elsweyr their autonomy amounts to nothing. Furthermore, their entire nation is fighting you if you are EP or DC.

If it was one person in one instance breaking the lore, you could make excuses out of it,but as it will be provided to all players, it will be very common. Which destroys the fact that senche do not let outsiders ride them.

Everything about it punches the lore right in the face. I can't way until they release dragon mounts, personally.

And yet, we have all races fighting in all factions. Due to that same sentience, could they not choose to fight for whatever side they choose? Even if they are treated differently. Perhaps the Senches sugar sibling fought on a different side, but was killed. Who knows....

I am not in complete disagreement with you though. I will be annoying to see everyone riding khajiit-kin. And yes, there are lore conflicts. But this is Elder Scrolls, lore is fluid, and getting bent out of shape about it is just a little bit silly.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Shunravi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Martinus72 wrote: »

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Senche are khajiit, and I do not see why a khajiit would refuse to travel with (and in this ccase carry) someone it has come to trust/respect, regardless of race.

That being said, I hope they implement a quest where you earn said trust instead of simply purchasing a mount. (I am awaiting a few choice dunmer comments.)

yes they are sentient, and outside of Elsweyr their autonomy amounts to nothing. Furthermore, their entire nation is fighting you if you are EP or DC.

If it was one person in one instance breaking the lore, you could make excuses out of it,but as it will be provided to all players, it will be very common. Which destroys the fact that senche do not let outsiders ride them.

Everything about it punches the lore right in the face. I can't way until they release dragon mounts, personally.

And yet, we have all races fighting in all factions. Due to that same sentience, could they not choose to fight for whatever side they choose? Even if they are treated differently. Perhaps the Senches sugar sibling fought on a different side, but was killed. Who knows....

I am not in complete disagreement with you though. I will be annoying to see everyone riding khajiit-kin. And yes, there are lore conflicts. But this is Elder Scrolls, lore is fluid, and getting bent out of shape about it is just a little bit silly.

All races fighting in all factions is irrelevant. lol Nothing says suthay-raht won't fight for the other sides. But you don't even see senche outside of elsweyr (not to mention they are supposed to be huge, not much variance from senche-raht.)

Even if senche chose to fight for the other side, they wouldn't let the other side ride them. That's kind of a big deal.

As I said, a senche loses its autonomy outside of elsweyr, they are considered animals, as no one would be able to tell the difference, so their rights would be minimal at best.

You would not get a mass exodus of senche to other places because of that alone. It's already established lore that only khajiit ride senche, not even other members of AD should be riding them.

SO yes, maybe the senche's sugar sibling fought for the other side, but then, apparently you have to say, oh 1000 senches' sugar siblings fought for the other side. Because that's how many are roaming around DC at any given time (I realize it would probably be more.)

As a one off, you can make any number of excuses, as a common place thing you destroy the already established norm.

Spudone · September 2014

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

so because they are adding more from the lore books, which they said they were going to do anyway, the game is auto wow clone? Also if The Khajit tame them they can trade them.

active combat ........ that is all

Venereous44 · September 2014

Someone would drop ESO for Sims!!?? Over a mount, no less. Isn't gaming supposed to be an escape from real life... who would want to pretend to do the same stupid crap that you really do in real life... never understood that.

Shunravi · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Martinus72 wrote: »

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Senche are khajiit, and I do not see why a khajiit would refuse to travel with (and in this ccase carry) someone it has come to trust/respect, regardless of race.

That being said, I hope they implement a quest where you earn said trust instead of simply purchasing a mount. (I am awaiting a few choice dunmer comments.)

yes they are sentient, and outside of Elsweyr their autonomy amounts to nothing. Furthermore, their entire nation is fighting you if you are EP or DC.

If it was one person in one instance breaking the lore, you could make excuses out of it,but as it will be provided to all players, it will be very common. Which destroys the fact that senche do not let outsiders ride them.

Everything about it punches the lore right in the face. I can't way until they release dragon mounts, personally.

And yet, we have all races fighting in all factions. Due to that same sentience, could they not choose to fight for whatever side they choose? Even if they are treated differently. Perhaps the Senches sugar sibling fought on a different side, but was killed. Who knows....

I am not in complete disagreement with you though. I will be annoying to see everyone riding khajiit-kin. And yes, there are lore conflicts. But this is Elder Scrolls, lore is fluid, and getting bent out of shape about it is just a little bit silly.

All races fighting in all factions is irrelevant. lol Nothing says suthay-raht won't fight for the other sides. But you don't even see senche outside of elsweyr (not to mention they are supposed to be huge, not much variance from senche-raht.)

Even if senche chose to fight for the other side, they wouldn't let the other side ride them. That's kind of a big deal.

As I said, a senche loses its autonomy outside of elsweyr, they are considered animals, as no one would be able to tell the difference, so their rights would be minimal at best.

You would not get a mass exodus of senche to other places because of that alone. It's already established lore that only khajiit ride senche, not even other members of AD should be riding them.

SO yes, maybe the senche's sugar sibling fought for the other side, but then, apparently you have to say, oh 1000 senches' sugar siblings fought for the other side. Because that's how many are roaming around DC at any given time (I realize it would probably be more.)

As a one off, you can make any number of excuses, as a common place thing you destroy the already established norm.

Again, I don't totally disagree, but at this point we don't even know what their bonus will be. For horses it's unlimited sprint, but they could give the Senche something that benifits melee stealth; the place where you see many khajiit on all sides (because of the racial passives).

That being said... I really hope they include more of the khajiit breeds. They don't have to be player characters, they just need to be there. Some form of more than subtle acknowledgement that at least some of the housecats we see are indeed Alfiq. An admittance that what we call senche in game are really Pahmar and that they made a mistake regarding the two. I would like to see more of Senche-rhat than just a few massive tiger skulls littered about. That's not to mention the other bipedal variants like Cathay, and Ohmes. But that could be game-breaking.

I honestly am not overly optimistic on how ZOS will implement it, but....

We shall see.

nolankotulan · September 2014

Tell me where you guys have read in the lore that everyone from every race have at a time ridden Senche-Tigers in all Tamriel, and on top of it, all at the same time.

I'm open minded and not against a little bit of lore modeling, but hey, THAT is awfully lore breaking.

This is more than a big step to a WoW like game, and this could clearly make me quit.

And I'm not this kind of guy always complaining against all and everything.
I really love this game until then.

Shunravi · September 2014

nolankotulan wrote: »

Tell me where you guys have read in the lore that everyone from every race have at a time ridden Senche-Tigers in all Tamriel, and on top of it, all at the same time.

I'm open minded and not against lore modeling, but hey, THAT is awfully lore breaking.

This is more than a big step to a WoW like game, and this could clearly make me quit.

Tell me where they don't.

I am aware of the bit of lore that @smeeprocketnub19_ESO‌ is quoting, and the sheer logic of the situation, but because something is true in one era does not necessarily mean it is true in another.

Then there are other things to take into account, such as author bias. Which is one of the biggest reasons that ES lore is inconsistent.

Also,records from the interregnum are sketchy and scarce. Whether this is because of poor keeping during the conflict, or because of the interference of a certain lord of knowledge is unknown. Still, the records are poor.

-another possible explination is they are refugees from the knahaten flu...

nolankotulan · September 2014

Shunravi wrote: »

Tell me where they don't.

If that was the case (everyone ridding Senche-Tigers), believe me, this would be a very known lore fact.

Plus, the lore clearly says that they are nothing but beasts for all other races, which even hunt them (Bosmers), or import (!!!, that says everything) some of their body parts (Redguards).

There is also written nowhere that everybody isn't ridding dragons or unicorns, so, should we get them? Pushing the thing a bit far but that's the point.

Shunravi · September 2014

nolankotulan wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Tell me where they don't.

If that was the case (everyone ridding Senche-Tigers), believe me, this would be a very known lore fact.

Plus, the lore clearly says that they are nothing but beasts for all other races, which even hunt them (Bosmers), or import (!!!, that says everything) some of their body parts (Redguards).

There is also written nowhere that everybody isn't ridding dragons or unicorns, so, should we get them? Pushing the thing a bit far but that's the point.

And it is a good point.

Dragons and unicorns both exist in ES lore. But, yes, that doesn't mean we should ride them. And I agree, that could also be said of Senche.

My original intent for posting in this thread was to state that there are other lore acceptable mounts besides horses. From there it evolved more into how it could be possible. And I thank you for your discussion in the matter.

However, they said long ago that they would be expanding the mount choices. So this confirmation is not unexpected.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Yes, sorry to say Lore wise you would have to be a Khajiit and in the Aldmeri Dominion,

I guess for story sake your Khajiit character could have raised a cub in their youth for the other areas (DC and EP) but all Khajiit not in the Dominion are Renrij (landless scum) anyway, since they could never go back to Elsweyr without being executed.

Sighlynce · September 2014

so do we feed them moon sugar

nolankotulan · September 2014

I totally agree.

I'm not against other mounts, but I think some of them should maybe be restricted to X, Y and/or Z, for X, Y and/or Z reason(s).

Senche-Tigers should be restricted in a way or another to Khajiit characters or at least the Aldmeri Dominion, in any case.

Plus, out of the lore thing, restrictions and making some aspects "exclusives" create better and more interesting games in my opinion (not talking about DLC or whatever).

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

nolankotulan wrote: »

I totally agree.

I'm not against other mounts, but I think some of them should maybe be restricted to X, Y and/or Z, for X, Y and/or Z reason(s).

Sench-Tigers should be restricted in a way or another to Khajiit characters or at least the Aldmeri Dominion, in any case.

Plus, out of the lore thing, restrictions and making some aspects "exclusives" create better and more interesting games in my opinion (not talking about DLC or whatever).

oh god, restrictions would just create a huge mess where people QQ over it, and ZOS doesn't exactly have a history of holding firm on anything.

Shunravi · September 2014

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Yes, sorry to say Lore wise you would have to be a Khajiit and in the Aldmeri Dominion,

I guess for story sake your Khajiit character could have raised a cub in their youth for the other areas (DC and EP) but all Khajiit not in the Dominion are Renrij (landless scum) anyway, since they could never go back to Elsweyr without being executed.

And that is another good point. During this time especially, because of the flu and all, there is a higher likelyhood of khajiit born outside of Elsweyr. Because of such turmoil, knowledge and acceptance could be different during this time than in others, and ofc would change back over time due to racism and a loss of knowledge.

That is just speculative opinion though. I could hope that Senche would be Khajiit exclusive, but that could cause an uproar, and I don't put much faith behind how ZOS handles uproars.

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm really surprised more people aren't enraged by what a huge lore break this is. I know people quitting because of this news.

Without the lore of TES, this is just another generic MMO. I didn't sign on for that.

If I wasn't already disenfranchised by so many other things, this would probably be a very big problem for me. As it stands, I expect nothing from ZOS but disappointment.

Do you have a lore source? 'Cause I went to the Imperial Library and read everything about this mount and there is absolutely nothing that says this breaks lore.

I assume your problem is that you espouse that only Khajiit can ride them? Which once again isn't IN THE LORE.

Yes, only khajiit riding the senche is in the lore. I would actually hunt down the reference but I have to drive an hour into town, maybe afterwards since I won't have access to the game.

Here's the thing, you guys keep saying that it's only a problem if there is a big break in the lore. This is a HUGE break in the lore. Anything like this that is exactly opposite of what the lore states, due to it being extremely common once everyone has access, is a very big deal.

Furthermore, if you think it's going to stop here, you are fooling yourself. You have seen how ZOS so readily responds to complaints or appeals from the playerbase. Most don't care that much about the lore. Eventually they are going to cross a line that ruins the game for you because you didn't hold them to the lore on issue that are vital, but less important to you personally.

incidentally, vampire lords never went against lore. New things are not by default lore breaking. It's when you reverse or directly go against established lore that you break the lore.

Mate lets be honest here , that is exactly what they did with the vampire thing.

Ok , before by lore , it was said vampires would burn when they go out during the day under the sun then bethesda added the vampire lord , which didnt.

The reason you say it is ok for the vampire lord to do such a thing (without breaking with the current lore) it is because it was not said the vampire lord couldnt do it in the lore.

By that logic then:

Senche tiger cant be mounted by lore currently , BUT they now can add the Sancha tiger.

Now the sancha tiger , that only existed during this period , can be mounted.

There is no place saying there were no "sancha" tigers (they could make a better name :P ) either probably , so they can actually add it and make up a reason , just like the vampire lord thing , can be a mount you can only buy in zone X that is not in the game yet even, because this tiger comes from that region.

My point is , they can go around , but it is probably better even for the lore if they dont.

qiyamatawilrwb17_ESO · September 2014

I would expect little to no fall damage with a eso tiger mount.
specific abilities for each mount type would be great.
even a skill line.

we gonna get guar mounts someday?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Shunravi wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Yes, sorry to say Lore wise you would have to be a Khajiit and in the Aldmeri Dominion,

I guess for story sake your Khajiit character could have raised a cub in their youth for the other areas (DC and EP) but all Khajiit not in the Dominion are Renrij (landless scum) anyway, since they could never go back to Elsweyr without being executed.

And that is another good point. During this time especially, because of the flu and all, there is a higher likelyhood of khajiit born outside of Elsweyr. Because of such turmoil, knowledge and acceptance could be different during this time than in others, and ofc would change back over time due to racism and a loss of knowledge.

That is just speculative opinion though. I could hope that Senche would be Khajiit exclusive, but that could cause an uproar, and I don't put much faith behind how ZOS handles uproars.

umm your entire species nearly being wiped out means you are less likely to be seen elsewhere, since there are less of you.

Furthermore, the knowledge and acceptance is, per the current game, not any different than any other time.

The likelihood of their being a whole bunch of senche serving the sides opposing their homeland doesn't even enter the realm of possibility.

I have no idea what vampires have to do with this. Vampires work entirely differently since each time Molag Bal turns someone personally, it seems a new bloodline is started.

It doesn't require me to do mental gymnastics to realize that some variations are possible, up to and including not being burned by the sun.

A vast amount of sentient creatures serving people that come from a place where they are perceived as animals and murdered oftentimes all to fight the homeland they came from and the people that perceive them as equals... well maybe once or twice that might happen, but not more than that.

UrQuan · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yes, only khajiit riding the senche is in the lore. I would actually hunt down the reference but I have to drive an hour into town, maybe afterwards since I won't have access to the game.

Here's the thing, you guys keep saying that it's only a problem if there is a big break in the lore. This is a HUGE break in the lore. Anything like this that is exactly opposite of what the lore states, due to it being extremely common once everyone has access, is a very big deal.

Either hunt down that source (which I and others have already challenged other people to do in this thread, and nobody has been able to find a source saying that), or your claim that this goes against the lore is utterly baseless and invalid.

I've seen sources that say that senche are sometimes used as mounts (there are actually links to those sources in this thread). I've never seen any sources that say that they only allow Khajiit to ride them.

Shunravi · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Yes, sorry to say Lore wise you would have to be a Khajiit and in the Aldmeri Dominion,

I guess for story sake your Khajiit character could have raised a cub in their youth for the other areas (DC and EP) but all Khajiit not in the Dominion are Renrij (landless scum) anyway, since they could never go back to Elsweyr without being executed.

And that is another good point. During this time especially, because of the flu and all, there is a higher likelyhood of khajiit born outside of Elsweyr. Because of such turmoil, knowledge and acceptance could be different during this time than in others, and ofc would change back over time due to racism and a loss of knowledge.

That is just speculative opinion though. I could hope that Senche would be Khajiit exclusive, but that could cause an uproar, and I don't put much faith behind how ZOS handles uproars.

umm your entire species nearly being wiped out means you are less likely to be seen elsewhere, since there are less of you.

Furthermore, the knowledge and acceptance is, per the current game, not any different than any other time.

The likelihood of their being a whole bunch of senche serving the sides opposing their homeland doesn't even enter the realm of possibility.

I have no idea what vampires have to do with this. Vampires work entirely differently since each time Molag Bal turns someone personally, it seems a new bloodline is started.

It doesn't require me to do mental gymnastics to realize that some variations are possible, up to and including not being burned by the sun.

A vast amount of sentient creatures serving people that come from a place where they are perceived as animals and murdered oftentimes all to fight the homeland they came from and the people that perceive them as equals... well maybe once or twice that might happen, but not more than that.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear; because of the flu, it is likely that khajiit would attempt to move away from areas of infection, and therefore move out of their homeland. Even if they move to other areas that are infected. And again, Speculative.

And how does "The likelihood of their being a whole bunch of senche serving the sides opposing their homeland doesn't even enter the realm of possibility."? Please explain. I'm all for argument here, so let's keep it constructive.

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

There needs to be some quest that leads to being able to purchase a Senche mount for lore's sake. One that puts you on good terms with Khajiit so that a Senche would let you ride it.

even if that was a way to make it lore friendly (it's not) you couldn't be DC or EP and have that make sense.

Yes, sorry to say Lore wise you would have to be a Khajiit and in the Aldmeri Dominion,

I guess for story sake your Khajiit character could have raised a cub in their youth for the other areas (DC and EP) but all Khajiit not in the Dominion are Renrij (landless scum) anyway, since they could never go back to Elsweyr without being executed.

And that is another good point. During this time especially, because of the flu and all, there is a higher likelyhood of khajiit born outside of Elsweyr. Because of such turmoil, knowledge and acceptance could be different during this time than in others, and ofc would change back over time due to racism and a loss of knowledge.

That is just speculative opinion though. I could hope that Senche would be Khajiit exclusive, but that could cause an uproar, and I don't put much faith behind how ZOS handles uproars.

umm your entire species nearly being wiped out means you are less likely to be seen elsewhere, since there are less of you.

Furthermore, the knowledge and acceptance is, per the current game, not any different than any other time.

The likelihood of their being a whole bunch of senche serving the sides opposing their homeland doesn't even enter the realm of possibility.

I have no idea what vampires have to do with this. Vampires work entirely differently since each time Molag Bal turns someone personally, it seems a new bloodline is started.

It doesn't require me to do mental gymnastics to realize that some variations are possible, up to and including not being burned by the sun.

A vast amount of sentient creatures serving people that come from a place where they are perceived as animals and murdered oftentimes all to fight the homeland they came from and the people that perceive them as equals... well maybe once or twice that might happen, but not more than that.

My point is , they can create pretty much anything they want.

Like i said , there is absolutely nothing stopping them of creating a new tiger kind , "sancha" tiger , that lives in region X and that anyone can mount without problems.

Only problem with this is that they wouldnt really be able to use the name senche tiger , outside that , they just made 100% lore friendly tiger mounts.

Venereous44 · September 2014

I like how people are so willing to completely dismiss great game idea's because of lore... even when the lore "breaking" can be something so arguable as to never be resolved.