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Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »
damn dude, you had that thing quoted before my page even finished refreshing after the post.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
I don't know why you singled out pvp, all the content updates have been pve.
And I didn't single out PVP. I mentioned it because it seems PVE adjustments are all done with an eye towards PVP balancing, surely you don't expect anyone to think they had to adjust the radius of sneak against NPCs do you?
You are correct here. Seems like all changes are made with pvp in mind, and I dont even pvp.
same problems in pve, mobs just don't complain.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
michaelb14a_ESO2✭✭✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »Stealth is now broken for me too. I often cant feed- I get detected before the option comes up (and I am a 7 piece medium NB vamp with all passives), mobs detect me much further out than they did before 1.4 (I enter a room I used to be able to sneak through and they are on me) and after hearing another of my guild members mention that it is even worse in Cyrodiil, I tested it out and sure enough... it is worse there. I cant snipe an NPC from stealth. Even at that range I am detected before I can get a shot off. I am really curious what it is that the developers have against nightblades....or are they punishing us for complaining about the broken cloaks? I gotta admit that I am just about ready to step away from the game. It is to the point that it is causing more frustration than fun.
I think we are seeing a few things at work here, changes to a multitude of mechanics to improve the NB class. This is I THINK they are trying to do here:
It seems that there has been an accords the board "nerf" to crouch-sneak (specifically detect distance). I believe this was done to address the "anyone can sneak" and play stealth problem. By lowering the base effectiveness of stealth-sneak the intention is to raise the value of things like med armor passives, NB abilities and set bonuses that reduce detect radius. This is really an attempt to give us what we are asking for... make the stealth build/spec something viable and different rather than "anyone can do it". It gives NB something to specialize at and define the class.
I believe what we are seeing is the blatant across the board nerf to stealth- sneak (which we do want) and some bugs in how reduction in detect bonus *not or incorrectly* being applied.
In closing I will say again, NB's DO WANT sneak-stealth nerfed down (it's stupid that all classes and armor can all equally stealth at the same level. It just has has to be in tandem with increasing a NB's and armor's ability to increase their ability to do so substantially.
While I think you are right... they did NOTHING to compensate or exaggerate NB's abilities (which is just a high handed Stealth nerf, that completely breaks the game). I am a VR12 Khajit (stealth Racials) in full vr12 Med gear and obviously all points added. My stealth completely fails at 20m if I am in the forward arc of a mob, behind I get seen and can't even feed... much less get a Surprise attack off.
Additionally they did not post it in ANYWAY to Patch notes. That is possibly the absolute worst thing I feel was done. As a Systems Administrator if I made changes that affected my company's customers (or lord forbid an outage) and did not notify them? I would be fired. On the spot, no questions asked. My company and customers expect a level of uptime (gametime if you will or SLA's if you want to get ITIL technical) and I would easily roll back any changes if something didn't work as intended, DB and backups are glorious for that..... ALWAYS have A BACK OUT PLAN.
There is no excuse for this mess. Either ZOS broke something SO BAD, but refuse to acknowledge it in anyway, or they made a sweeping gamechanging change and refuse to tell their customers, and honestly I couldn't tell which is worse... ignorance and refusal to acknowledge or stupidity and refusal to acknowledge.
It irritates the hell out of me that they refuse to acknowledge this issue and will not just get it fixed. I get no sense of urgency in responses and it seems they just... do... not... care.
Edit: Cuz I am dumb.
Yea totally no excuse for that. No disagreement here. The thing is, is if they could just be relied upon to make mechanical adjustments without <snip>'ing other things up in the process no they wouldn't even need to "compensate or exaggerate NB's abilities". The blanket nerf to stealth-sneak would actually make those abilities and passive valuable. At its base, stealth-sneak should be so costly in terms of stamina and useless in terms of detect radius that unless your either:
A ) specc'ed/equipped for it, or
B ) a Night-blade
....it has virtually no use. B>A, and A+B= class defining
Unfortunately they broke stealth in the process making it virtually unplayable even with the enhancing abilities. We now we have to wait week for a fix(s?) that more than likely will introduce even more problems. The only thing I find encouraging is that they at least *seem* to be making a fundamental (if at this point only ideological) change in how stealth works mechanically relative to other classes.Edited by michaelb14a_ESO2 on September 16, 2014 11:55PM0 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »Unfortunately they broke stealth in the process making it virtually unplayable even with the enhancing abilities. We now we have to wait week for a fix(s?) that more than likely will introduce even more problems. The only thing I find encouraging is that they at least *seem* to be making a fundamental (if at this point only ideological) change in how stealth works mechanically relative to other classes.
Wait a week, that implies they respond here, know about the issue & plan to fix it, we have yet to receive any response. This is my #1 priority, I plan to make sure they see it.
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✭Erm... 1.44 says it will have a fix for shadow/dark cloak.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...0 -
Probitas✭✭✭We are customers, that's the only kind of stupid we have to be. (ISP Employee so I know Customer Service and what it should mean)Edited by Probitas on September 17, 2014 3:11AM1 -
rook75✭✭We are customers, that's the only kind of stupid we have to be. (ISP Employee so I know Customer Service and what it should mean)
Exactly...
Though I work with my employee's ISP's daily I have an unnatural hate for my ISP's now.... Unless you work for Uverse.. then you are ok in my book.1 -
rook75✭✭ROFL! Ok I don't have to hunt you down in game and vanquish you! Besides ISP's in Canada are probably willing to help... and nice!0
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Also make sure to stay on topic.Edited by Sneak_Thief on September 17, 2014 2:51PM2
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Change the title to Magicka - Staff - Robe then post your proof and they will have to respond.2
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GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Stealth is broken, Shadow Cloak is broken, Concealed Weapon is broken; not the best time to be a Nightblade!I am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.5 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭GrimMauKin wrote: »Stealth is broken, Shadow Cloak is broken, Concealed Weapon is broken; not the best time to be a Nightblade!
When was it? lol I see all these post, and ZOS comments, yet thousands of views here, and no ZOS input nor has this made the "Known Issues" thread.
I shouldn't have to beg for a service that I am paying for.
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GrimMauKin wrote: »Stealth is broken, Shadow Cloak is broken, Concealed Weapon is broken; not the best time to be a Nightblade!
*not the best time to be a rogue.
My Nightblade is fine
Cookie?
Edited by Shunravi on September 17, 2014 4:56PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
Desdemonte✭✭✭My 6 month sub is coming due soon, as will many others. I've played my NB since Beta. Not sure if I want to give a company that is this abusive of its customers any more of my money.
I can't believe there has been no response to this thread..... Oh wait- yes I can.2 -
ZOS_AmeliaR✭✭✭✭✭Hey everyone. Thanks for the reports and additional information you've provided regarding Nightblade stealth. We are aware of this issue and investigating. As soon as we have more information, we'll be sure to come back and update you.7
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At least we can still wear light armor and a staff.GrimMauKin wrote: »Stealth is broken, Shadow Cloak is broken, Concealed Weapon is broken; not the best time to be a Nightblade!
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »Hey everyone. Thanks for the reports and additional information you've provided regarding Nightblade stealth. We are aware of this issue and investigating. As soon as we have more information, we'll be sure to come back and update you.
@ZOS_AmeliaR
Hey could this maybe be put up on the known issues list and also could you actually provide us with more info of any sort.
Maybe, a dev could respond instead of going through an intermediary and make us feel like we are not worth their time.
There's only so much info you are capable of providing, Even if you were willing to follow up and answer questions (and none of you ever seem to do that) going through you to get answers from a dev is garbage.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.5 -
Lazrael✭✭✭This needs to be fixed NOW. I can barely even play NB without dying every 20 minutes. Now I'm probably not the most proficient player in the world, but I'm not completely inept either. I want to be able to play the class I WANT TO PLAY. I'm pretty sure that the whole point of an RPG, especially one that has the nerve to wear the title of an Elder Scrolls game. Zeni if you want to keep this game alive and keep making money you're gonna need to step up. Additional content is nice, but not in exchange for a broken game.
Also as many said, I bought this game to play Elder Scrolls with my wife and friends, not for pvp. While ideally I'd like to spend some time hopping between both, they both deserve attention and balance work, and I should be able to play any given character in either competently.
Step it up guys.Artists and Theives...5 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭This needs to be fixed NOW. I can barely even play NB without dying every 20 minutes. Now I'm probably not the most proficient player in the world, but I'm not completely inept either. I want to be able to play the class I WANT TO PLAY. I'm pretty sure that the whole point of an RPG, especially one that has the nerve to wear the title of an Elder Scrolls game. Zeni if you want to keep this game alive and keep making money you're gonna need to step up. Additional content is nice, but not in exchange for a broken game.
Also as many said, I bought this game to play Elder Scrolls with my wife and friends, not for pvp. While ideally I'd like to spend some time hopping between both, they both deserve attention and balance work, and I should be able to play any given character in either competently.
Step it up guys.
I hate to tell you this, but this is mucking up pvp way more than it is pve.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
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✭✭This is a measurable bug that they have introduced and are refusing to admit, I have raised CS tickets, in game bug reports and a thread on the CS forum.
This is one of the biggest fails for NB in some time.
My simple test:
I wear Nightshade level vr10 armour - the bonus is a 2.5 meter reduction in detection range while stealthed. I also have the full medium armour passive for a further 25% decrase.
My wife wears normal mage rags and has no stealth passives or equipment.
Her detection radius is exactly the same as mine.
This is broken - but unless they admit that it will never be fixed or we have to assume this is a deliberate strike against NBs using any kind of sneak based approach to playing.
Coupled with the way they broke Night's Silence & concealed weapon but vamps and light armour items offering the same bonuses are still working it does tend to suggest that it is both malicious and intentional.Edited by Tavore1138 on September 17, 2014 6:11PMGM - Malazan
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »This is a measurable bug that they have introduced and are refusing to admit, I have raised CS tickets, in game bug reports and a thread on the CS forum.
This is one of the biggest fails for NB in some time.
My simple test:
I wear Nightshade level vr10 armour - the bonus is a 2.5 meter reduction in detection range while stealthed. I also have the full medium armour passive for a further 25% decrase.
My wife wears normal mage rags and has no stealth passives or equipment.
Her detection radius is exactly the same as mine.
This is broken - but unless they admit that it will never be fixed or we have to assume this is a deliberate strike against NBs using any kind of sneak based approach to playing.
Coupled with the way they broke Night's Silence & concealed weapon but vamps and light armour items offering the same bonuses are still working it does tend to suggest that it is both malicious and intentional.
In some ways I tend to agree because it certainly DOES feel that way. But....it makes absolutely no sense. NB's are the unwanted red headed step-child class? WHY would that be?PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why they don't put the medium armor stealth passive in the NB passive skill set, like shadow. No need to nerf it across the board if you just buff NB. Or nerf it across the board and also buff the NB passive. It's strange that that's not already how it is. I guess they don't want to overtly say NB is the stealth class. Hence the medium armor stealth buff.
But why should a NB be forced to wear medium armor to be more stealthy?Edited by Junkogen on September 17, 2014 6:53PM2
