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What is wrong with cold harbor?
bosmern_ESO
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My armor degrades through combat. I don't even need to die and my armor can go from perfect down to zero and I have no notice about it other then a message that appears for about 2 seconds. I really hope this mechanic wasn't intended.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
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Probitas✭✭✭True dat. Spend a long time questing and check your repair bills sometime. This is nothing new. Dying hits the hardest, but fighting always hurts.
Now one thing I have found that I think may be broken is that there are some places where dying and fighting do no damage. specifically in dungeons. Spent some time in the daedric party dungeon, no armor damage at all. Pretty strange really.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Now one thing I have found that I think may be broken is that there are some places where dying and fighting do no damage. specifically in dungeons. Spent some time in the daedric party dungeon, no armor damage at all. Pretty strange really.
If your over leveled by 5 levels, then you get no armor damage. You also get no Exp from the kills either. You only get quest exp if you have not done the quest.
Coldharbor, especially if your farming the Zombie road, can rack up 500 to 700 Gold repair bills on each run for a character at the appropriate levels (by run I mean farming until you have 40 to 50 armor or weapon pieces so about 20 to 30 minutes). Straight up dungeons, I see 50 to 200 gold repair bills unless I am really effective at knock backs on the mobs.
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
So If I run to Auridon and let a ghost attack me my armor will go from 1207 to 0? no, it doesn't. It only happens in Coldharbor.~Thallen~2 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »My armor degrades through combat. I don't even need to die and my armor can go from perfect down to zero and I have no notice about it other then a message that appears for about 2 seconds. I really hope this mechanic wasn't intended.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
Ohh it used to be MUCH MUCH worse, its actually good now. But it used to cost so much and you didnt even have to lift a finger to have armor decay, I stood idle as my group member earned xp for me and within 15 mins my armor was broke. Luckly its better now.2 -
Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭Are you talking about the Village of the Lost public dungeon? Cause yeah, armor degrades crazy fast in there due to the sheer number of mobs.1 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »My armor degrades through combat. I don't even need to die and my armor can go from perfect down to zero and I have no notice about it other then a message that appears for about 2 seconds. I really hope this mechanic wasn't intended.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
Ohh it used to be MUCH MUCH worse, its actually good now. But it used to cost so much and you didnt even have to lift a finger to have armor decay, I stood idle as my group member earned xp for me and within 15 mins my armor was broke. Luckly its better now.
BUT if you still want to be cheap like I used to do, just wear your drops, its pretty fun, and then macro a set of training armor or what not to finish quest in so you get extra xp. Quest completion xp does not affect armor decay.0 -
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✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »Sneak_Thief wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »My armor degrades through combat. I don't even need to die and my armor can go from perfect down to zero and I have no notice about it other then a message that appears for about 2 seconds. I really hope this mechanic wasn't intended.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
Ohh it used to be MUCH MUCH worse, its actually good now. But it used to cost so much and you didnt even have to lift a finger to have armor decay, I stood idle as my group member earned xp for me and within 15 mins my armor was broke. Luckly its better now.
BUT if you still want to be cheap like I used to do, just wear your drops, its pretty fun, and then macro a set of training armor or what not to finish quest in so you get extra xp. Quest completion xp does not affect armor decay.
Yea I just wore quest rewards until vr10 tbh.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
nope - it degrades by recieving any type of xp (even crafting-xp).spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Even more stupid is when your armor is 100% and you hand in a big quest and now your armor is at 50% Oh cool, I got 900 gold from that quest hand in....but now my armor costs 1100 gold to repair.......Crafting wears out armor? That's stupid.
Edited by Natjur on September 16, 2014 11:20PM0 -
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what quests are you getting 900 gold from?!!Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
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My best guess is that you're not countering attacks specific to Coldharbor. Your character is spending time on his/her butt more often than they should. Simple... take less hits, your armor doesn't deplete as quickly.bosmern_ESO wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
So If I run to Auridon and let a ghost attack me my armor will go from 1207 to 0? no, it doesn't. It only happens in Coldharbor.
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I'm gonna call shenanigans on this one. Getting XP from handing in quests doesn't degrade armor.
I've leveled a few toons into the VR levels, and after any one game session of questing (lasting hours) have I ever seen 50% degradation without any deaths. Ever.
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✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
nope - it degrades by recieving any type of xp (even crafting-xp).
Yeah... I'd like to see a reliable source on that claim. That's a load of bull. Especially given that I've run toons through 3 levels of experience in one game session, and was pleasantly surprised when my repair bill was negligible.Edited by DenverRalphy on September 17, 2014 12:25AM1 -
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Armor damage is directly from exp gain and deaths.DenverRalphy wrote: »My best guess is that you're not countering attacks specific to Coldharbor. Your character is spending time on his/her butt more often than they should. Simple... take less hits, your armor doesn't deplete as quickly.
If your in a group and you do range attacks and the mobs never even LOOKs at you, but your getting exp, you are also getting armor damage.
The other side tho, if your high level and your getting hit by hundreds of low level mobs that do not give you exp (and you don't die) you can do that for years and no armor damage.
Its a silly system.
P.S. If your armor is lower level then you, the % of damage per exp gain is higherEdited by Natjur on September 17, 2014 12:26AM0 -
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Armor damage is directly from exp gain and deaths.DenverRalphy wrote: »My best guess is that you're not countering attacks specific to Coldharbor. Your character is spending time on his/her butt more often than they should. Simple... take less hits, your armor doesn't deplete as quickly.
If your in a group and you do range attacks and the mobs never even LOOKs at you, but your getting exp, you are also getting armor damage.
The other side tho, if your high level and your getting hit by hundreds of low level mobs that do not give you exp (and you don't die) you can do that for years and no armor damage.
Its a silly system.
P.S. If your armor is lower level then you, the % of damage per exp gain is higher
I would love to see some source material on this claim.
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Ragefist✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
It actually degrades from experience gained, not combat and 10% for each death as a bonus0 -
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(1) Go to upper craglorn, watch a group that takes on the mobs that give 37k exp.DenverRalphy wrote: »I would love to see some source material on this claim.
(2) Have 100% armour
(3) Fire one range attack so you have tagged the mob and get exp
(4) Watch your armor get damaged when you get exp even tho you where never looked at.
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Armor damage is directly from exp gain and deaths.DenverRalphy wrote: »My best guess is that you're not countering attacks specific to Coldharbor. Your character is spending time on his/her butt more often than they should. Simple... take less hits, your armor doesn't deplete as quickly.
If your in a group and you do range attacks and the mobs never even LOOKs at you, but your getting exp, you are also getting armor damage.
The other side tho, if your high level and your getting hit by hundreds of low level mobs that do not give you exp (and you don't die) you can do that for years and no armor damage.
Its a silly system.
P.S. If your armor is lower level then you, the % of damage per exp gain is higher
I would love to see some source material on this claim.
But that doesn't explain when I was losing armor value at V12 to level 40 zombies (when i was grinding them)~Thallen~0 -
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Where you getting loot from the mobs? You sure they where not L45? If your getting loot, you would be getting exp too (being max level, your not seeing the exp, but would be getting it) and therefore armor damagebosmern_ESO wrote: »But that doesn't explain when I was losing armor value at V12 to level 40 zombies (when i was grinding them)
Edited by Natjur on September 17, 2014 3:51AM1 -
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You're completely off the mark there - doesn't matter how well you play, your gear degrades just from the xp you gain.DenverRalphy wrote: »My best guess is that you're not countering attacks specific to Coldharbor. Your character is spending time on his/her butt more often than they should. Simple... take less hits, your armor doesn't deplete as quickly.
You could be afk on a rock not taking any hits at all, but standing close enough to your party members to gain xp from them killing mobs, and your gear will degrade.
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Emeliana✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
It actually degrades from experience gained, not combat and 10% for each death as a bonus
Really??
I came running with just freshly repaired armor, stumbled upon a Wolf that growled at me, I changed direction and started sprinting away. The Wolf was never any closer than 10 meters (30 feet) yet when I could slow down out on a road I checked. My armor was damaged and shortly after a Merchant came on the road and I had that damage confirmed.
Armor depletion from just a growling Wolf? Dumbest system I've seen in any game tbh.
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What about this reply didn't you understand?bosmern_ESO wrote: »So If I run to Auridon and let a ghost attack me my armor will go from 1207 to 0? no, it doesn't. It only happens in Coldharbor.
I assume of course you're not level 10 in Coldharbour!If your over leveled by 5 levels, then you get no armor damage
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on September 17, 2014 8:21AM1 -
Dalglish✭✭✭Level V1-V12 aren't actual levels in exp gain sense; V1-V12 = Level 50 . So attacking mobs within a 5 level radius will always degrade armour (45+).
I am also lead to believe that degradation is directly linked to exp gain. During a Hircines Grind a healer can be on the rock and taking zero damage, but still have heavier repair bills than someone taking massive damage doing the dps.Victrix EU - EP & AD -
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Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭I can confirm that armour decay is NOT necessarily connected to direct damage. How do I know?
It so happens I usually play with my friend, and in several occasions we have tried this: when one of us needs to go afk for a few minutes, we might find a suitable spot, one of us stays at a safe location while the other one "grinds" mobs around.
Now, the afk person does NOT get a single hit, neither participates in any fight, yet, receives armour decay alright. Just by being in the party and receiving some exp it seems.0 -
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✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »My armor degrades through combat. I don't even need to die and my armor can go from perfect down to zero and I have no notice about it other then a message that appears for about 2 seconds. I really hope this mechanic wasn't intended.
If this is a bug please fix ZoS, it is very obnoxious, no other zone in the game has this problem. At least if I die a lot I know that my armor will be broken, then it gets completely changed when I'm in cold harbor.
Ohh it used to be MUCH MUCH worse, its actually good now. But it used to cost so much and you didnt even have to lift a finger to have armor decay, I stood idle as my group member earned xp for me and within 15 mins my armor was broke. Luckly its better now.
Yep, my armor bill if I let it break fully is under 2500 gold at this point which is a significant reduction from the old costs, and it takes hours of skill leveling or farming for it to break.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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✭✭✭Level V1-V12 aren't actual levels in exp gain sense; V1-V12 = Level 50 . So attacking mobs within a 5 level radius will always degrade armour (45+).
I am also lead to believe that degradation is directly linked to exp gain.
That's correct. Internally you are level 50, the Veteran Ranks are just stat cap increases, not miss chance or damage modifiers like prior levels are in relation to different level attackers (and of course you don't gain skill/attribute points, etc. from them either). Basically gear gates, ultimately.
Armor degradation in relation to exp gain seems to be what I have seen as well. I'm 99% sure that's right.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
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✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Armor has always degraded from combat. You don't have to die for it to happen. Though dieing is the fastest way to degrade it.
So If I run to Auridon and let a ghost attack me my armor will go from 1207 to 0? no, it doesn't. It only happens in Coldharbor.
No, gaining XP through combat is what actually causes the deterioration. This is normal behavior for content you're not overleveled for.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
What about this reply didn't you understand?bosmern_ESO wrote: »So If I run to Auridon and let a ghost attack me my armor will go from 1207 to 0? no, it doesn't. It only happens in Coldharbor.
I assume of course you're not level 10 in Coldharbour!If your over leveled by 5 levels, then you get no armor damage
They're (probably) talking about the endgame version of Coldharbour. This is the sixth major questing zone in the game (after your faction's five). It runs level 44-50. Meaning, outside of the clanfears around where you enter, you will never be overleveled for it, so far as I know.0