Why can't we CC break and/or be given immunity to vampires feeding on you.

Sypher · September 2014

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

As an exclusive solo player this abused mechanic is very hard to overlook as bad groups of players always resort to this to take me out. If I don't die after the first feeding another vampire will just jump in and chain the stun.

I honestly hope that no one can actually defend this. I'm all for feeding on players, but a simple cc break option + immunity granted should be in place. Just like every other CC in the game.

Edit: A vampire in clouding swarm can pull it off really easily. So you'll be getting hit by their ult and will be unable to do anything about it.

P.S mages light works well to counter this, but I shouldn't have to sacrifice 2 of my slots to counter a perma cc..

GreyPilgrim · September 2014

Well, having done this myself, I can say that it has a downside... Most of the time you feed on someone in combat, they take so many hits while you're feeding that they die before you finish, and since it does no damage, you get no kill credit...

That said, it does seem a wee bit OP, even if you do have to get into stealth and behind to pull it off. If not a CC break, then a WAY shorter animation cycle, especially since the feed counts no matter how quickly someone dies. With a stun on the tail end of it, having a 5 second feed animation is really quite unneccessary.

Another possibility is a reduction in the virtual invulnerability of the feeder, so that your allies can potentially save you by clobbering the Vampire.

So I have to agree that, especially given all the other powerful things Vamps can do, this just adds insult to injury.

Lava_Croft · September 2014

Hey look, you finally did post it in the correct place! Good job man!

JamilaRaj · September 2014

GreyPilgrim wrote: »

Well, having done this myself, I can say that it has a downside... Most of the time you feed on someone in combat, they take so many hits while you're feeding that they die before you finish, and since it does no damage, you get no kill credit...

I guess that "downside" is actually the point; to hold someone in unbreakable CC while buddies kill him.

Ezareth · September 2014

I think it is BS and Cheese. The only way they used to be able to kill Murderthumbs back in the day was to use this endlessly on him.

No CC should be unbreakable.

The downside you may not be considering however is once a vampire feeds his Mistform becomes ridiculously expensive, especially if he isn't a light armor user.

Xsorus · September 2014

Had a few people do this to me...extremely annoying as its an unbreakable stun.

Knootewoot · September 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

It cannot be chained over and over....

You cannot feed on a target who has recently be fed on. So you can only be stunned this way once.

When in a group, i use it sometimes (also use it solo just for fun and run away teehee). It is not hard to do it on a NB. But it can only be done once and you have to be stealhed. It fails sometimes even though i am stealhed. Also it seems you have to be behind someone but it might be my imagination.

So if i am alone, i can feed but can't kill during feeding. So i have to be sure there is somoene around who can kill him/her. For me it is the only way to kill a DK.

And for you it must be annoying. But i find DK's annoying with all their might so i cannot beat them and blazing spears from templar which keep stunninjg you and block fails all the time, and BE from sorceror. which is ment for escape but they use it to kill you etc....

demonlkojipub19_ESO · September 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

As an exclusive solo player this abused mechanic is very hard to overlook as bad groups of players always resort to this to take me out. If I don't die after the first feeding another vampire will just jump in and chain the stun.

I honestly hope that no one can actually defend this. I'm all for feeding on players, but a simple cc break option + immunity granted should be in place. Just like every other CC in the game.

Edit: A vampire in clouding swarm can pull it off really easily. So you'll be getting hit by their ult and will be unable to do anything about it.

P.S mages light works well to counter this, but I shouldn't have to sacrifice 2 of my slots to counter a perma cc..

Another vampire cannot jump in and chain the stun. Feed applies immunity to Feed and drain essence for a good amount of time.

Also if a vampire uses clouding swarm before approaching you, he will end up damaging you before getting in range of feed thus becoming "detected" and you have to be hidden in order to use feed, so that isn't going to work either.

Knootewoot · September 2014

Hisssss

Baphomet · September 2014

CC must be breakable - no excuse, Zenimax. Simple as that.

Being suspended mid-air is a death sentence if your enemies have just a little bit of situational awareness.

GreyPilgrim · September 2014

Well, whether it can be chained aside, there's still the fact that this ability is an unbreakable CC.

And...

It's not even an ability. It takes up no hotbar space, costs no magicka or stam or ult or anything. So it's a total freebie for Vampires, that puts us in invulnerable for several seconds, and our mark totally vulnerable for an equal number of seconds.

that seems highly suspect as an acceptable game mechanic...

Tintinabula · September 2014

I think vampires should be immune to feeding. Say NO to diablerie!

Sypher · September 2014

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

It cannot be chained over and over....

You cannot feed on a target who has recently be fed on. So you can only be stunned this way once.

When in a group, i use it sometimes (also use it solo just for fun and run away teehee). It is not hard to do it on a NB. But it can only be done once and you have to be stealhed. It fails sometimes even though i am stealhed. Also it seems you have to be behind someone but it might be my imagination.

So if i am alone, i can feed but can't kill during feeding. So i have to be sure there is somoene around who can kill him/her. For me it is the only way to kill a DK.

And for you it must be annoying. But i find DK's annoying with all their might so i cannot beat them and blazing spears from templar which keep stunninjg you and block fails all the time, and BE from sorceror. which is ment for escape but they use it to kill you etc....

Please don't bring in class imbalance to this discussion. This is a unbreakable CC.

And yes it can be chained by multiple vampires. When I'm in the air getting fed on it's very easy for other vamps to position behind me and chain me into another feeding.

How can anyone look at this and not see something wrong? Dying while being full on Stam/magicka/health because a vampire snuck up to feed on you is stupid.

I just want cc break.. And immunity after being fed on... You object to that?

Sypher · September 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

As an exclusive solo player this abused mechanic is very hard to overlook as bad groups of players always resort to this to take me out. If I don't die after the first feeding another vampire will just jump in and chain the stun.

I honestly hope that no one can actually defend this. I'm all for feeding on players, but a simple cc break option + immunity granted should be in place. Just like every other CC in the game.

Edit: A vampire in clouding swarm can pull it off really easily. So you'll be getting hit by their ult and will be unable to do anything about it.

P.S mages light works well to counter this, but I shouldn't have to sacrifice 2 of my slots to counter a perma cc..

Another vampire cannot jump in and chain the stun. Feed applies immunity to Feed and drain essence for a good amount of time.

Also if a vampire uses clouding swarm before approaching you, he will end up damaging you before getting in range of feed thus becoming "detected" and you have to be hidden in order to use feed, so that isn't going to work either.

Do you think I just talk out of my ass? As if I came on to the forums to complain about something I haven't tested thoroughly?

Yes another vamp can chain the stun. And yes a vamp in clouding swarm while hitting you is still considered hidden and can feed on you.

So please, don't express your opinions as facts.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · September 2014

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

It cannot be chained over and over....

You cannot feed on a target who has recently be fed on. So you can only be stunned this way once.

thats true, but they dont count as being fed on until the animation is finished. at least with vamp drain ( activated ability) you can start draining a target someone else is draining as long as you start before they finish.

Sypher · September 2014

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

This CC is super easy to pull off as a NB and other well positioned vampires can pull it off as well. The CC isn't affected by immunity or immovable, can be chained over and over, can't be cc broken, and doesn't give immunity when the duration is over.

It cannot be chained over and over....

You cannot feed on a target who has recently be fed on. So you can only be stunned this way once.

thats true, but they dont count as being fed on until the animation is finished. at least with vamp drain ( activated ability) you can start draining a target someone else is draining as long as you start before they finish.

Which is exactly what vampires do to take me out. It's just bad design and should be cc breakable.

Tintinabula · September 2014

This happens to me too. I am unbeatable until a bunch of vamps line up to suck meh blud.

Sypher · September 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

This happens to me too. I am unbeatable until a bunch of vamps line up to suck meh blud.

They just can't resist that dragon blood.

Davadin · September 2014

GreyPilgrim wrote: »

Another possibility is a reduction in the virtual invulnerability of the feeder, so that your allies can potentially save you by clobbering the Vampire.

This.

This is all it needs.

+ nobody can feed on you if someone is currently feeding and isn't finished.

But if it needs to be in stealth to initiate, i don't have a problem that it's unbreakable.

Yes, I'm a vamp (2 days old) and no, i've never suck anybody in PvP. 2H is much more fun.

Sypher · September 2014

dsoegiartob16_ESO wrote: »

GreyPilgrim wrote: »

Another possibility is a reduction in the virtual invulnerability of the feeder, so that your allies can potentially save you by clobbering the Vampire.

This.

This is all it needs.

+ nobody can feed on you if someone is currently feeding and isn't finished.

But if it needs to be in stealth to initiate, i don't have a problem that it's unbreakable.

Yes, I'm a vamp (2 days old) and no, i've never suck anybody in PvP. 2H is much more fun.

Cool ideas, but how do you not have a problem that it's unbreakable? The only CC in the entire game that is unbreakable? Help me out here, I fail to see where you can be okay with an unbreakable cc which is usually a death sentence if you are even slightly outnumbered

Asgari · September 2014

When my sorc and nb were a vamp i loved doing this to players, thought was hilarious and i still do. However, with the feeding not being able to be stopped and then the stun afterwards with the passives it should def. be looked into and adjusted.

Casdha · September 2014

I'm curious as to how this can be pulled off followed by multiple sneak attacks.

I could come up on them before the fighting started, no hits of mine would land, then I'd get locked down and they would hit me with several sneak attacks in a row all while I could see them.

got ganked about 20 times this morning testing this out. They were level 17 and I'm VR11 and I couldn't get a hit in, even if I found them first. I sent in a bug report with a screenshot of the death recap showing the last 4 hits as sneak attacks all by the same person.

If this is how it is suppose to work could someone please explain this to me.

Edit: oh and why this fits is that I couldn't break the CC even with a full stamina bar.

Bramir · September 2014

Don't have the time or energy to really wade into this argument, and to be honest, what needs to be said about this has already been covered.

But, it certainly seems like a new exploit or broken mechanic revolving around the vampire skill line pops up every week or two. This on top of vampires being at least borderline overpowered without exploits or broken mechanics make this game seem like one made up by a child who gives his favorite toy super powers to dominate everything else with.

Sypher · September 2014

BUMP

Come on Zenimax... I don't want to become a damn vampire just to prevent these bad players from feeding on me or give up 2 slots (mage's light) to counter a clearly broken mechanic.

There's a small group of AD Nb's who dedicate their lives to insta killing me through feeding and chaining the CC until I die.

Some one told me vampires can't feed on other vamps.. and I'll be DAMNED if I jump on the vampire bandwagon just to prevent myself from getting a death sentence if one vampire slips behind me and begins the unbreakable CC.

Tintinabula · September 2014

You can be fed on if you're a vamp I'm pretty sure.(unless I mistook a siphon as a feed)

Zed · September 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

You can be fed on if you're a vamp I'm pretty sure.(unless I mistook a siphon as a feed)

I think you're mistaken. I tried to feed on a vampire player in PvP that hadn't been fed on and the game wouldn't let me.

Sypher · December 2014

Unbreakable CC is bad CC.

Roechacca · December 2014

I'd like a garlic necklace with anchovies

April · December 2014

I had this happen to me again today when it was just me vs about 15 blue players... some nightblade apparently decided that the odds weren't already bad enough and had to perma CC me so his 15 buddies could clobber me to death while I was helpless. Completely cheap and classless. And I agree, unbreakable CC is BS.

ToRelax · December 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

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How can anyone look at this and not see something wrong? Dying while being full on Stam/magicka/health because a vampire snuck up to feed on you is stupid.
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This ^ .

So to everyone who thinks it's funny or something, it's always only one side having fun with a mechanic as broken as this wich should be enough to be ashamed abusing it. To those who try to excuse themselves with their enemies having the stronger class or being forced to run light armor to be good etc. - you are pathetic, learn to play.

@ZOS: I have no idea how much work it would be to just disable feeding on players until this issue is fixed. But I am pretty sure you have a lot of guys being able to do this who are doing much more complicated things no one really needs anyway now. So do something against it, this is not a new problem.

olsborg · December 2014

Please fix this, !signed!