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Reflective Scales is being buffed / fixed ... do you agree with this change?

  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    fixing a bugged skill, that could leave oyu without resources after 1 cast has nothing to do with balance, if about fixing broken cr*p, and also, it only lasts 4 sec and costs a pretty magica penny
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  • Artis
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    I agree with the first option, though. DKs don't need to be buffed currently. However, it's not a reason not to fixed a broken skill, especially, if they know how to fix it.
    Edited by Artis on September 12, 2014 8:25AM
  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    Funny to read the DKs now coming in here so defensive that they are saying people are freaking out and how dare they make a poll! If you read properly, you will see the poll is just determining whether people thought DKs in their current form, where RS is (even while currently bugged) a 'go to' ability, were currently balanced.

    I understand people saying that if it is bugged, it has to be fixed, but I personally thought draining magicka/stam from a DK was a fair counter to a very powerful ability. Get rid of eclipse and defensive posture cost to reflect, they're single target and single use respectively.

    If RS is sometimes draining resources but not other times then maybe it does need to be fixed. Maybe most of the times I've seen DKs go beast mode, they currently weren't being drained of resources while reflecting or something, I dunno. All I know is DKs to me seem to be balanced in all facets of PVP.

    It won't affect me personally either way. In group pvp I just move on to the next target and keep my eye on if the DK recasts or not. In solo, I test the defenses and then attempt to bolt away if they seem on top of their (snip).
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  • Bipolo
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Bipolo wrote: »
    Sorcs don't have many options considering the majority of our damage are projectiles and one of the only 2 spells that isn't a projectile is bugged so that it is treated as a projectile.
    Sorc's don't need projectiles, lol :p Common

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    First of all, any class with light armour can get this, stop saying "sorc vamp" or "DK vamp", it is a skill available to ALL classes (world skills) like the weapons.

    A templar vamp, NB vamp, DK vamp can do just that as well.

    Secondly, DKs got 6+ nerfs and this is still around, draining 200+ health from each enemy each second for 6 seconds (no limit to enemies being effected). So nerf talons and heals for max 6 players, nerf inhale for 3 enemies max but keep this super high drain open and unlimited? makes no sense to me.

    Posted that more as a joke, Reflective Scale wouldnt have helped us against that Sorc group, not a single projectile on my Death Recap :lol:

    And in all honestly, nothing really beats the farming potential of a group of invisible Sorc's in their clouds of Bats, Streaking around spamming Impulse. DK's might have been the farmers of old, but that crown has passed to Sorc's hands down :p

    I agree, its not the Classes, but the Vampire Ulti's that makes this still happen.
    Edited by Bipolo on September 12, 2014 12:42PM
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  • onlinegamer1
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Its impossible to balance anything while a skill is broken.
    This should be obvious.
  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Funny to read the DKs now coming in here so defensive that they are saying people are freaking out and how dare they make a poll! If you read properly, you will see the poll is just determining whether people thought DKs in their current form, where RS is (even while currently bugged) a 'go to' ability, were currently balanced.

    I understand people saying that if it is bugged, it has to be fixed, but I personally thought draining magicka/stam from a DK was a fair counter to a very powerful ability. Get rid of eclipse and defensive posture cost to reflect, they're single target and single use respectively.

    If RS is sometimes draining resources but not other times then maybe it does need to be fixed. Maybe most of the times I've seen DKs go beast mode, they currently weren't being drained of resources while reflecting or something, I dunno. All I know is DKs to me seem to be balanced in all facets of PVP.

    It won't affect me personally either way. In group pvp I just move on to the next target and keep my eye on if the DK recasts or not. In solo, I test the defenses and then attempt to bolt away if they seem on top of their (snip).

    Well its not. The ability gets me killed in its current state, and I end up lasting longer if I leave it off my bar and just block it out. Now I can successfully trade 1 casts worth for 4 seconds of defense against a particular form of an attack type that DK's have no native access to that won't turn into a disaster for my resources.

    The drain was never fine. The only ones that could ever get away with it were the ones that had the near infinite magicka setups and chugged potions. Balancing anything around that setup leaves it either unusable for those other people or making them become yet another clone of the ones who can.

    And they are already getting rid of eclipse's cost to reflect, that was the first and only one they listed in the patch notes. The next one they need to confirm is getting fixed as well is defensive posture.
    Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on September 12, 2014 4:42PM
  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Just saying that the DK has neither a gap closer nor a ranged dps option as a class skill, so a fixed reflective scale is only fair. Also, if you keep firing projectiles when the first one got reflected... well sounds like l2p.

    On a side note, I'm kinda annyoed by NB stealth etc., but that doesn't mean I don't want your class to be fixed.
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  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    Reflective Scales is totally overpowered and shall get a buff? Zenimax is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculous ...

    Reflective Scales need a CD of 10 sec and a higher Magicka cost. IT DOES NOT A BUFF!

    1) A CD of 10 sec would make the ability completely useless.

    2) If you've already cancelled your sub, as your sig seems to suggest, why do you even care with Zenimax does with any class or skill.
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  • cazlonb16_ESO
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    Comet201 wrote: »
    Nothing can be balanced while abilities are bugged

    If there are months between the fixing and the balancing there is a problem though.
  • purple-magicb16_ESO
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    I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...
    Edited by purple-magicb16_ESO on September 12, 2014 6:42PM
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  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...

    This is a poll to determine if people thought DKs were balanced in their current form with a 'bugged' reflective scale.
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  • c0rp
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    I agree with the bug fix. The skill needs to COST MORE though.
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  • smacx250
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    I'm glad they fixed it..but in the process they better be fixing the mage's wrath explosion being reflected bug too.
    Got killed last night, and my own mage's wrath explosion was the killing blow. Has there been any acknowledgment that this behavior is unintended (sure seems like it should be from the spell descriptions)?
  • MorHawk
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...

    Good to see that someone else gets that the poll's talking about two things here.
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  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    MorHawk wrote: »
    I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...

    Good to see that someone else gets that the poll's talking about two things here.

    Good to see that you have no reading comprehension. The poll is pretty clear so I'm not going to spell it out again.
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  • GaiusCastricius
    I don't think that this is a fair poll (or with fair answers to choose from), they are fixing something that isn't working the way they designed and wanted it to. After this has been fixed and then tested again then people can comment on how balanced or unbalanced they think it is. For instance if Dual Wield Sparks was bugged and drained Stamina every time an opponent auto attacks then until it is fixed it can't be judged as overpowered or underpowered.
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  • MorHawk
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Good to see that you have no reading comprehension. The poll is pretty clear so I'm not going to spell it out again.
    I swear, the day someone actually responds to the substance of a post instead of making these pathetic attempts to insult the posters intelligence, I might actually have a heart attack.

    What the hey though, I'll bite. It's Monday after all, and showing people where they're wrong is therapeutic. Here, let me break it down for you.
    Point1: "Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix..."
    Point 2: "...and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.".

    The first statement says that you agree with the bug fix. The second says that you think it will improve class balance. Two. Separate. Statements. Do you follow now, or must I use smaller words?

    If a skill is not working as intended, it has to be fixed. This is a given. It is however a clear improvement to the skill, and rebalancing may very well be needed. I agree with your earlier quote, that:
    Erock25 wrote: »
    If a skill has been behaving in a certain way since the game released, and everyone considered the class to be balanced overall in PVP with frequent use of that skill, it is assumed the changing that skill to be more powerful would shift the balance of power.
    But...
    Comet201 wrote: »
    Nothing can be balanced while abilities are bugged

    Edited by MorHawk on September 15, 2014 1:06PM
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  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    MorHawk wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Good to see that you have no reading comprehension. The poll is pretty clear so I'm not going to spell it out again.
    I swear, the day someone actually responds to the substance of a post instead of making these pathetic attempts to insult the posters intelligence, I might actually have a heart attack.

    What the hey though, I'll bite. It's Monday after all, and showing people where they're wrong is therapeutic. Here, let me break it down for you.
    Point1: "Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix..."
    Point 2: "...and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.".

    The first statement says that you agree with the bug fix. The second says that you think it will improve class balance. Two. Separate. Statements. Do you follow now, or must I use smaller words?

    If a skill is not working as intended, it has to be fixed. This is a given. It is however a clear improvement to the skill, and rebalancing may very well be needed. I agree with your earlier quote, that:
    Erock25 wrote: »
    If a skill has been behaving in a certain way since the game released, and everyone considered the class to be balanced overall in PVP with frequent use of that skill, it is assumed the changing that skill to be more powerful would shift the balance of power.
    But...
    Comet201 wrote: »
    Nothing can be balanced while abilities are bugged

    You're too caught up on the word 'bug'. It was only mentioned once by devs, or perhaps twice now because of recent patch notes, that draining magicka/stamina was even a bug at all. Quite often in games something that is unintended becomes a mechanic. Light attack weaving for example. If you aren't too caught up on this whole 'it's a bug, it has to be fixed' thing then we're looking at an ability that is already currently VERY strong that is going to be become much much stronger. So therefore you have a poll asking about balance with an option 1 of DKs shouldn't be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting from a balance perspective and option 2 of they should be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting. It's right there in the original post....

    Erock25 wrote: »
    I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?

    You did a good job of attacking one single line of an entire post, however. That is very original and I give you much internet credit for doing so.
    Edited by Erock25 on September 15, 2014 2:21PM
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  • MorHawk
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Erock25 wrote: »
    You're too caught up on the word 'bug'. It was only mentioned once by devs, or perhaps twice now because of recent patch notes, that draining magicka/stamina was even a bug at all. Quite often in games something that is unintended becomes a mechanic. Light attack weaving for example. If you aren't too caught up on this whole 'it's a bug, it has to be fixed' thing then we're looking at an ability that is already currently VERY strong that is going to be become much much stronger. So therefore you have a poll asking about balance with an option 1 of DKs shouldn't be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting from a balance perspective and option 2 of they should be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting. It's right there in the original post....
    Erock25 wrote: »
    I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?
    You did a good job of attacking one single line of an entire post, however. That is very original and I give you much internet credit for doing so.

    Irony, you just got redefined. You tell me that I'm too hung up on the word 'bug' then proceed to quibble over what the word means, then tell me I ignored most of your post while glossing over the part where I made it inescapably clear that your poll contained two separate statements. But hey, ignoring the parts where you're wrong is totally a valid tactic, right? :)

    If your poll is, as you say, truly as simple as "should RS expense magicka/stamina?", then my answer is no, I don't consider that a good method of balancing, however that does not mean I consider such a scenario balanced. You really need to figure out how to distinguish between those two concepts.

    Nerfs will quite possibly be required (either by raising the cost, lowering the duration, or even magicka throttling a la Bolt Escape). We shall have to see how it goes once this is fixed. Heck, by all reports, it's not even working consistently either way, (so yeah, I'm quite happy calling this a bug, thanks).

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  • Orchish
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    The skill was bugged and if like me you gimp your self by wearing heavy armour, the bug often left you completely dead. It would not only drain Magicka but also Stamina, one cast in a large battle often meant i went from full Stamina/half Magicka to completely 0% and thus instant death followed. So yes, all bugged skills for every class should be fixed.

    That said, combined with light armour passives and certain sets reflective scales can make certain DK builds incredibly powerful, which might need looking at now that the bug has finally been fixed.
    Edited by Orchish on September 15, 2014 3:44PM
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Pixysticks wrote: »
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    How would you like it if streak drained your magicka randomly based on targets hit?

    Streak has been bugging and draining your magicka and putting you in animation but taking you nowhere since beta. They nerfed it on the PTS but still didn't fix the bug. -_-

    As well as them taking 3 months just to stop a Nightblades on DOTs from his own attacks breaking his own stealth.
  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    MorHawk wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    You're too caught up on the word 'bug'. It was only mentioned once by devs, or perhaps twice now because of recent patch notes, that draining magicka/stamina was even a bug at all. Quite often in games something that is unintended becomes a mechanic. Light attack weaving for example. If you aren't too caught up on this whole 'it's a bug, it has to be fixed' thing then we're looking at an ability that is already currently VERY strong that is going to be become much much stronger. So therefore you have a poll asking about balance with an option 1 of DKs shouldn't be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting from a balance perspective and option 2 of they should be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting. It's right there in the original post....
    Erock25 wrote: »
    I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?
    You did a good job of attacking one single line of an entire post, however. That is very original and I give you much internet credit for doing so.

    Irony, you just got redefined. You tell me that I'm too hung up on the word 'bug' then proceed to quibble over what the word means, then tell me I ignored most of your post while glossing over the part where I made it inescapably clear that your poll contained two separate statements. But hey, ignoring the parts where you're wrong is totally a valid tactic, right? :)

    If your poll is, as you say, truly as simple as "should RS expense magicka/stamina?", then my answer is no, I don't consider that a good method of balancing, however that does not mean I consider such a scenario balanced. You really need to figure out how to distinguish between those two concepts.

    Nerfs will quite possibly be required (either by raising the cost, lowering the duration, or even magicka throttling a la Bolt Escape). We shall have to see how it goes once this is fixed. Heck, by all reports, it's not even working consistently either way, (so yeah, I'm quite happy calling this a bug, thanks).

    How dare you!? I never quibble.
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  • Tintinabula
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    awww, haters don't like it when 5 of them gang up on a DK and he reflects their poo spells. :(
  • Insurrektion
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.

    As it stands now, it's not usable. If this kind of "nerf," where using a skill that will protect you from projectiles for 4 seconds will weaken you to the point where you have no ability to further sustain defenses or attack, is your idea of balance, I guess it'd make sense you'd make such asinine poll questions in the first place.

    It's not so much that I have something against you, personally, so much as I've seen this sort of garbage used in real polls from news stations regarding politics for years. I guess the point of all this is, if your goal to have DKs be brought closer in line with the other classes, you'll get much further by appealing to those who have something to lose and bring those people to your cause. By wording things as you have, I felt disenfranchised.
  • thomaswinkworthb16_ESO
    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    reflective scale is anti kite, that's the problem I have with it
  • thomaswinkworthb16_ESO
    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    I can't believe the utter retardedness of some people on these forums. It's absolutely laughable.

    Scales has been utterly broken for 4 months now. Bow attacks not being reflected, reflected attacks not doing the damage they should, and both stamina and magicka getting drained depending on the type of projectile fired.

    Scales only reflects PROJECTILES. You have 10 different abilties and 2 Ultimates that you can use and if all those 12 abilities are PROJECTILES, then you are doing something wrong.

    It's just simple L2P issues and after 6 months, and nerf after nerf, people still cry about DKs. Hilarious.

    The skill is BROKEN. And it gets FIXED. It doesn't buffed, it gets fixed.

    What exactly was the point of pointing out the difference between fixed and bugged? The skill is now better than it was, you're just arguing semantics.
  • Siluen
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    I do not entirely agree on the poll options here, but what is broken, needs to be fixed, no matter how powerful the class is at the moment. ^^
  • Erock25
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.

    As it stands now, it's not usable. If this kind of "nerf," where using a skill that will protect you from projectiles for 4 seconds will weaken you to the point where you have no ability to further sustain defenses or attack, is your idea of balance, I guess it'd make sense you'd make such asinine poll questions in the first place.

    It's not so much that I have something against you, personally, so much as I've seen this sort of garbage used in real polls from news stations regarding politics for years. I guess the point of all this is, if your goal to have DKs be brought closer in line with the other classes, you'll get much further by appealing to those who have something to lose and bring those people to your cause. By wording things as you have, I felt disenfranchised.

    I'm not gonna lie ... you make sense. I haven't brought my DK out to PVP yet and I haven't used RS while leveling. All I know is what I see in Cyrodiil and quite often a DK will be face tanking multiple enemies while keeping RS up. I'm kind of gathering that perhaps
    OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.

    As it stands now, it's not usable. If this kind of "nerf," where using a skill that will protect you from projectiles for 4 seconds will weaken you to the point where you have no ability to further sustain defenses or attack, is your idea of balance, I guess it'd make sense you'd make such asinine poll questions in the first place.

    It's not so much that I have something against you, personally, so much as I've seen this sort of garbage used in real polls from news stations regarding politics for years. I guess the point of all this is, if your goal to have DKs be brought closer in line with the other classes, you'll get much further by appealing to those who have something to lose and bring those people to your cause. By wording things as you have, I felt disenfranchised.

    I actually agree with you. The poll options make it tough to answer if you think the bug should be fixed but DK is not balanced.

    The spirit of the poll was whether or not you agree that DKs have the resource management to sustain a cost per reflected projectile. I was unaware that apparently sometimes resources are drained and other times they are not (and perhaps sometimes they get very quickly drained).
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  • MorHawk
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    Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.
    Erock25 wrote: »
    OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
    I actually agree with you. The poll options make it tough to answer if you think the bug should be fixed but DK is not balanced.
    Oh sure, agree with it when he says it! lol
    *sulks in corner*
    Edited by MorHawk on September 16, 2014 3:10PM
    Observant wrote: »
    I can count to potato.
    another topic that cant see past its own farts.
    WWJLHD?
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    Currently DKs are balance (or overpowered) and do not need a more efficient Reflective Scale ability.
    MorHawk wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
    I actually agree with you. The poll options make it tough to answer if you think the bug should be fixed but DK is not balanced.
    Oh sure, agree with it when he says it! lol
    *sulks in corner*

    oh stop quibbling!
    You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
    You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points
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