Elmojito1000eb17_ESO wrote: »Sorc's don't need projectiles, lolezareth_ESO wrote: »Sorcs don't have many options considering the majority of our damage are projectiles and one of the only 2 spells that isn't a projectile is bugged so that it is treated as a projectile.Common
First of all, any class with light armour can get this, stop saying "sorc vamp" or "DK vamp", it is a skill available to ALL classes (world skills) like the weapons.
A templar vamp, NB vamp, DK vamp can do just that as well.
Secondly, DKs got 6+ nerfs and this is still around, draining 200+ health from each enemy each second for 6 seconds (no limit to enemies being effected). So nerf talons and heals for max 6 players, nerf inhale for 3 enemies max but keep this super high drain open and unlimited? makes no sense to me.
Funny to read the DKs now coming in here so defensive that they are saying people are freaking out and how dare they make a poll! If you read properly, you will see the poll is just determining whether people thought DKs in their current form, where RS is (even while currently bugged) a 'go to' ability, were currently balanced.
I understand people saying that if it is bugged, it has to be fixed, but I personally thought draining magicka/stam from a DK was a fair counter to a very powerful ability. Get rid of eclipse and defensive posture cost to reflect, they're single target and single use respectively.
If RS is sometimes draining resources but not other times then maybe it does need to be fixed. Maybe most of the times I've seen DKs go beast mode, they currently weren't being drained of resources while reflecting or something, I dunno. All I know is DKs to me seem to be balanced in all facets of PVP.
It won't affect me personally either way. In group pvp I just move on to the next target and keep my eye on if the DK recasts or not. In solo, I test the defenses and then attempt to bolt away if they seem on top of their (snip).
Morticielle wrote: »Reflective Scales is totally overpowered and shall get a buff? Zenimax is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculous ...
Reflective Scales need a CD of 10 sec and a higher Magicka cost. IT DOES NOT A BUFF!
purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...
Got killed last night, and my own mage's wrath explosion was the killing blow. Has there been any acknowledgment that this behavior is unintended (sure seems like it should be from the spell descriptions)?ezareth_ESO wrote: »I'm glad they fixed it..but in the process they better be fixing the mage's wrath explosion being reflected bug too.
purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...
I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.
purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »I'm confused. Is this poll about how rs is not working as intended or whether or not dk class is op? Two different things. If this is yet another nerf poll, I refuse to take it. Same old hack. So tired of hearing it...
Good to see that someone else gets that the poll's talking about two things here.
I swear, the day someone actually responds to the substance of a post instead of making these pathetic attempts to insult the posters intelligence, I might actually have a heart attack.Good to see that you have no reading comprehension. The poll is pretty clear so I'm not going to spell it out again.
But...If a skill has been behaving in a certain way since the game released, and everyone considered the class to be balanced overall in PVP with frequent use of that skill, it is assumed the changing that skill to be more powerful would shift the balance of power.
Nothing can be balanced while abilities are bugged
I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.
I swear, the day someone actually responds to the substance of a post instead of making these pathetic attempts to insult the posters intelligence, I might actually have a heart attack.Good to see that you have no reading comprehension. The poll is pretty clear so I'm not going to spell it out again.
What the hey though, I'll bite. It's Monday after all, and showing people where they're wrong is therapeutic. Here, let me break it down for you.
Point1: "Fixing Reflective Scale so that it does not drain magicka when it reflects a projectile is a good fix..."
Point 2: "...and helps to balance DKs with the other classes.".
The first statement says that you agree with the bug fix. The second says that you think it will improve class balance. Two. Separate. Statements. Do you follow now, or must I use smaller words?
If a skill is not working as intended, it has to be fixed. This is a given. It is however a clear improvement to the skill, and rebalancing may very well be needed. I agree with your earlier quote, that:But...If a skill has been behaving in a certain way since the game released, and everyone considered the class to be balanced overall in PVP with frequent use of that skill, it is assumed the changing that skill to be more powerful would shift the balance of power.Nothing can be balanced while abilities are bugged
I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?
You're too caught up on the word 'bug'. It was only mentioned once by devs, or perhaps twice now because of recent patch notes, that draining magicka/stamina was even a bug at all. Quite often in games something that is unintended becomes a mechanic. Light attack weaving for example. If you aren't too caught up on this whole 'it's a bug, it has to be fixed' thing then we're looking at an ability that is already currently VERY strong that is going to be become much much stronger. So therefore you have a poll asking about balance with an option 1 of DKs shouldn't be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting from a balance perspective and option 2 of they should be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting. It's right there in the original post....You did a good job of attacking one single line of an entire post, however. That is very original and I give you much internet credit for doing so.I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?
I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.
Pixysticks wrote: »
You're too caught up on the word 'bug'. It was only mentioned once by devs, or perhaps twice now because of recent patch notes, that draining magicka/stamina was even a bug at all. Quite often in games something that is unintended becomes a mechanic. Light attack weaving for example. If you aren't too caught up on this whole 'it's a bug, it has to be fixed' thing then we're looking at an ability that is already currently VERY strong that is going to be become much much stronger. So therefore you have a poll asking about balance with an option 1 of DKs shouldn't be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting from a balance perspective and option 2 of they should be charged magicka/stamina for reflecting. It's right there in the original post....You did a good job of attacking one single line of an entire post, however. That is very original and I give you much internet credit for doing so.I'm wondering if you agree or disagree with this fix as it relates to DK's overall power in comparison to the other classes?
Irony, you just got redefined. You tell me that I'm too hung up on the word 'bug' then proceed to quibble over what the word means, then tell me I ignored most of your post while glossing over the part where I made it inescapably clear that your poll contained two separate statements. But hey, ignoring the parts where you're wrong is totally a valid tactic, right?
If your poll is, as you say, truly as simple as "should RS expense magicka/stamina?", then my answer is no, I don't consider that a good method of balancing, however that does not mean I consider such a scenario balanced. You really need to figure out how to distinguish between those two concepts.
Nerfs will quite possibly be required (either by raising the cost, lowering the duration, or even magicka throttling a la Bolt Escape). We shall have to see how it goes once this is fixed. Heck, by all reports, it's not even working consistently either way, (so yeah, I'm quite happy calling this a bug, thanks).
ThyIronFist wrote: »I can't believe the utter retardedness of some people on these forums. It's absolutely laughable.
Scales has been utterly broken for 4 months now. Bow attacks not being reflected, reflected attacks not doing the damage they should, and both stamina and magicka getting drained depending on the type of projectile fired.
Scales only reflects PROJECTILES. You have 10 different abilties and 2 Ultimates that you can use and if all those 12 abilities are PROJECTILES, then you are doing something wrong.
It's just simple L2P issues and after 6 months, and nerf after nerf, people still cry about DKs. Hilarious.
The skill is BROKEN. And it gets FIXED. It doesn't buffed, it gets fixed.
Insurrektion wrote: »OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
As it stands now, it's not usable. If this kind of "nerf," where using a skill that will protect you from projectiles for 4 seconds will weaken you to the point where you have no ability to further sustain defenses or attack, is your idea of balance, I guess it'd make sense you'd make such asinine poll questions in the first place.
It's not so much that I have something against you, personally, so much as I've seen this sort of garbage used in real polls from news stations regarding politics for years. I guess the point of all this is, if your goal to have DKs be brought closer in line with the other classes, you'll get much further by appealing to those who have something to lose and bring those people to your cause. By wording things as you have, I felt disenfranchised.
Insurrektion wrote: »OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
As it stands now, it's not usable. If this kind of "nerf," where using a skill that will protect you from projectiles for 4 seconds will weaken you to the point where you have no ability to further sustain defenses or attack, is your idea of balance, I guess it'd make sense you'd make such asinine poll questions in the first place.
It's not so much that I have something against you, personally, so much as I've seen this sort of garbage used in real polls from news stations regarding politics for years. I guess the point of all this is, if your goal to have DKs be brought closer in line with the other classes, you'll get much further by appealing to those who have something to lose and bring those people to your cause. By wording things as you have, I felt disenfranchised.
Oh sure, agree with it when he says it! lolI actually agree with you. The poll options make it tough to answer if you think the bug should be fixed but DK is not balanced.Insurrektion wrote: »OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.
Oh sure, agree with it when he says it! lolI actually agree with you. The poll options make it tough to answer if you think the bug should be fixed but DK is not balanced.Insurrektion wrote: »OP you should seriously consider more carefully wording your poll questions. DKs are not balanced with other classes, yet by selecting the option to have the bug fixed I am apparently therefore under the opinion that DKs are balanced. Bugs =/= Balance. Fix the DK bug, then nerf Reflective Scales so it isn't too powerful.
*sulks in corner*