Check the PTS section while we wait. Patch notes with a lot of the changes in there

Yeah super excited to see the notes. I REALLY hope they bring in the fix they have listed for Azura's Relics.

Azura's Relics: You can now use the scroll to summon the Daedra at the waterfall more consistently.

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

The patch note posts on the Public Test Server forum will pretty much cover everything that you can expect to see in this update. There may be a couple things fixed with the version that is being pushed today, but by and large all the changes are detailed in the posts for the PTS versions of 1.4 that have been in testing for the last month or so.

There is always a couple "late addition" nerfs and/or buffs. That's the stuff I'm waiting for

Normally, they've been posting the notes about 30 minutes before the servers come back online. Give them a few hours, this isn't a short maintenance.

Yeah, I'm sure there are changes and you are right that the latest is a couple weeks old ... I'd like to see them too, but if history serves, we will be reading them about the time that we are waiting for 1.4 to download.

I just hope is isn't an all day wait like some of the updates have been in the past.

1.) Isn't the patch that's being applied already a 'package'? Tested and approved?

Or -
2.) Is the game engine on the server actually being patched 'ala carte', toss in some of this, a few of those... see what happens... maybe add a few more of the items on the 'B list' and see if that breaks something?

If it's #1- there's no reason that the patch notes don't or can't exist. They already know what is being applied to which things.

If it's #2, then they're still using the 'Shake some chicken bones in a cup, spill 'em out, and see what the spirits portend' method, and that kind of implies that it's all seat of the pants patching with no clear idea what the outcome will be....

Are we really being given the message that they'll stop putting in more ingredients some time today when they think it's getting just a little too salty, too watery, or too chocolaty?

"Hey, Pete. Add another one of those Night Blade mods. Yeah, the blue ones.... We need to thin this sucka out, some, or it'll never flow through the intertubes...."

ZENI: "We need to apply the patch, before we know what's IN the patch."

Swell.

My thoughts on how they patch, for those of you that have been waiting around for me to weigh in on this subject.

ESO is not a single application, so there is no one thing that they update. Each different application has a patch process which may involve adding or merging changes instead of just swapping things out. Some of the "patch" might be changes to the database and an application has to run across the database updating records. The client code has to be uploaded to the distribution servers.

In addition to ESO changes, there may be other changes that they make while they have the time. They may load OS patches and patches to various other applications that need to be updated.

So, no, they are not throwing chicken bones onto a plate and spitting on it to see what happens, but they are also not just waiting for a single patch package to finish installing.

twev wrote: »

Khami wrote: »

twev wrote: »

1.) Isn't the patch that's being applied already a 'package'? Tested and approved?

Or -
2.) Is the game engine on the server actually being patched 'ala carte', toss in some of this, a few of those... see what happens... maybe add a few more of the items on the 'B list' and see if that breaks something?

If it's #1- there's no reason that the patch notes don't or can't exist. They already know what is being applied to which things.

If it's #2, then they're still using the 'Shake some chicken bones in a cup, spill 'em out, and see what the spirits portend' method, and that kind of implies that it's all seat of the pants patching with no clear idea what the outcome will be....

Are we really being given the message that they'll stop putting in more ingredients some time today when they think it's getting just a little too salty, too watery, or too chocolaty?

"Hey, Pete. Add another one of those Night Blade mods. Yeah, the blue ones.... We need to thin this sucka out, some, or it'll never flow through the intertubes...."

ZENI: "We need to apply the patch, before we know what's IN the patch."

Swell.

What on PTS and what goes live isn't always the same. This portion of Craglorn got cut from the May update and that maintenance took about 9 hours to complete. I didn't get back online until after 6pm because it took over an hour to download the patch.

If you want to see the PTS notes, go to the PTS forum and look.

If I wanted to see the PTS notes, I'd go read the PTS forum, (again, which I did), which has little to do with the actual 'final patch as of Sept, 15, 2014, as of 08:30 AM EDT'.

My point was that they're patching with a known quantity, the patch, or they're just winging it until it breaks in half.

If it's a known quantity, then it's a final quantity, and as such, they know what the patch notes include.

Did you bother to read my first sentence? PTS notes and what goes live will not always be the same. Yes, something might break, which happened with the original release of Craglorn. Something break in a patch isn't an ESO issue, every game has those problems.

Why would they post a patch note when they're not ready to release it?

The fact this thread was created shortly after the server went down is telling. No patience.

They've always released the patch notes around 30 minutes before the servers come back online.

Khami wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Khami wrote: »

twev wrote: »

1.) Isn't the patch that's being applied already a 'package'? Tested and approved?

Or -
2.) Is the game engine on the server actually being patched 'ala carte', toss in some of this, a few of those... see what happens... maybe add a few more of the items on the 'B list' and see if that breaks something?

If it's #1- there's no reason that the patch notes don't or can't exist. They already know what is being applied to which things.

If it's #2, then they're still using the 'Shake some chicken bones in a cup, spill 'em out, and see what the spirits portend' method, and that kind of implies that it's all seat of the pants patching with no clear idea what the outcome will be....

Are we really being given the message that they'll stop putting in more ingredients some time today when they think it's getting just a little too salty, too watery, or too chocolaty?

"Hey, Pete. Add another one of those Night Blade mods. Yeah, the blue ones.... We need to thin this sucka out, some, or it'll never flow through the intertubes...."

ZENI: "We need to apply the patch, before we know what's IN the patch."

Swell.

What on PTS and what goes live isn't always the same. This portion of Craglorn got cut from the May update and that maintenance took about 9 hours to complete. I didn't get back online until after 6pm because it took over an hour to download the patch.

If you want to see the PTS notes, go to the PTS forum and look.

If I wanted to see the PTS notes, I'd go read the PTS forum, (again, which I did), which has little to do with the actual 'final patch as of Sept, 15, 2014, as of 08:30 AM EDT'.

My point was that they're patching with a known quantity, the patch, or they're just winging it until it breaks in half.

If it's a known quantity, then it's a final quantity, and as such, they know what the patch notes include.

Did you bother to read my first sentence? PTS notes and what goes live will not always be the same. Yes, something might break, which happened with the original release of Craglorn. Something break in a patch isn't an ESO issue, every game has those problems.

Why would they post a patch note when they're not ready to release it?

The fact this thread was created shortly after the server went down is telling. No patience.

They've always released the patch notes around 30 minutes before the servers come back online.

[ETA: I read your first sentence, which is why I mentioned the PTS at all. But this thread isn't about the PTS, so I don't actually know why you brought it up to begin with. ]

I think that if the patch breaks the game - it's, by definition, not ready for release, and not worthy of being in the patch to begin with.
Which would imply that it wasn't fully or adequately tested.
No?

I'm under the impression that part of my sub goes to keep the servers up and running, and some of it goes to the game devs who are the guys that are supposed to supply working code to us, the sub payers.

If the code no workee, they aint doing their jobs well enough.

It really ought not BE in the patch if it's not a tested/functioning/working pack of code.

If it aint working, it hasn't been tested and approved to BE working.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're just wrapping up the patch notes now and will be publishing them very soon (it takes a while to get them formatted properly!). Also, @Swampster, today's patch is approximately 6GB.

woot!

Thanks for the file size info Gina.
Also, I swear, people will argue about anything.

Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Wish you could make the downloads available without using the patcher. I can pillage my work bandwidth then, and not have to wait 2 days while my sloooow connection at home downloads this stuff...

Probably be quicker for me to download the 30Gb for the whole client again..

*sigh*

Seems to be the norm, 3gb apply, 3gb apply, play yayhey!

Mine started updating, get on it boys and girls and well some of the it's out thar, hhiyuck hiyuck...

If you leave the patcher up while you goto work...it starts downloading on its own. I never wait to play on patch day. Come home from work, and log in. Easy stuff.