oh the fun

Tharvall · August 2014

I can't stand it anymore.
I'm VR9 and in the middle of the 3rd faction campaign now.

probably a few hundred quests done, the next stupid king/lord/priest/whatever that needs me to help him kill his/her nemesis, avenge his ancestors or find a lost group of soldiers/acolytes/other rookies that get themselves killed if they wander off too far.

when I have to get through a group of hostile npcs i try to kill as many as possible in one go, because I hate spending time with killing npcs that are just there to annoy me. If I die, even better! revive and go ahead, even less npcs to bother with!

If I end up in a solo dungeon where the only way out is running the whole path back, I rather get killed by some random NPC instead of walking the way out because I' so fed up with this crap.

The worst thing is quest NPCs that give some sort of speech or when there is some kind of event and you can't abort it, you HAVE to wait and watch. I often find myself back on the desktop, surfing the web or writing stupid comments in forums. Eventually after 5 minutes or sometimes rather 15 minutes I notice that the game's still running - oh yes, I was about to save Tamriel from another villain! Now lets get on with it!

and the worst thing is, there is no real alternative for levelling VR.

So, any suggestions? I'll probably take a break and come back later in a few months. I'm not interested in group grinding.

I'd probably be more interested in PVE questing if the available content wasn't just the old crap that other factions played from 1-50.
And yes, it IS old crap, I joined my faction for a reason and still have to do the other factions PVE story. Thats just an artifical timesink. If you want to save another faction from evil then you should have to start a character in that faction! what the hell

CoolsHisHands · August 2014

I think the whole "exploring the other factions" bit is BS as well. It's simply an artless and irrational way to triple the amount of PvE content. I said it when they first announced the mechanic, and still say it now.

However, as for leveling, there's always an alternative.

If you hate the quests, grind. There's plenty of info around where the best spots are, and at VR9 you're most of the way there already. Many people hit the Craglorn grind spots at VR1 and are VR12 in just a few days.

PvP also gives more XP than it used to. So there's that as well.

SirAndy · August 2014

bhuismanb16_ESO wrote: »

I think the whole "exploring the other factions" bit is BS as well. It's simply an artless and irrational way to triple the amount of PvE content. I said it when they first announced the mechanic, and still say it now.

Same here, been saying this ever since it was introduced on the closed PTS. It feels like a rushed afterthought and i'd like to see it replaced with something that doesn't involve cross faction questing.
;-)

Stonesthrow · August 2014

For those not who were not following the games progress from roughly 2 years ago...

People wanted to play the entire world of Tamriel. This AFTER ZOS had spent 6 years designing the game to be single faction. People REALLY REALLY wanted it and were bombarding the forums in the fall of 2012 and during the exclusive beta time early 2013. Usually with heavy nasty overtones. It was ugly.

What they came up with was "VR"… it didn't exist prior… and VR would take you to 50+ and 50++ areas which are the 2 factions you didn't do yet. They would be harder and you would only see your faction there.

This allowed you to see everything, experience everything without ever having to make another character, however disjointed some of the quests are post Malag Bol or the fact that you fight your own factions at times, anchors, silver/gold, etc etc…

It was not by original design, it was in response to public outcry, and was followed quickly with any-race in any-faction.

You can not say that ZOS doesn't listen… lol… they just tend to bring a canon to a knife fight at times.

Oh… and $5 says their first adventure zone was set to be post Cyrodil level 50.

Fruitmass · August 2014

What would be a nice thing for them to work on is having vet quests impacted by the choices players made in lv1-50 content.

A lot of quest have multiple choice endings. They could keep a counter of what choice was made and base the vet quest on whichever one was chosen the most. So vet player in that region would have to deal with the quest revolving around the aftermath of those choices instead of running through a scaled up version of the same quest.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs · August 2014

I love it

Martinus72 · August 2014

I think it's not the game for you. There are many others around with simple 'go and kill 50 boars' tasks which would suit you perfectly and not bore you with lore or speeches which many like myself immensely enjoying.

yelloweyedemon · August 2014

Tharvall wrote: »

I often find myself back on the desktop, surfing the web or writing stupid comments in forums.

Well, I won't argue on that.

On a serious note, I don't think this is a game for you. If you don't care about the story or "exploration", either stick to PvP and kill enemies or change a game to one that has 90% hack n' slash and 10% "story".

Vuron · August 2014

Martinus72 wrote: »

I think it's not the game for you. There are many others around with simple 'go and kill 50 boars' tasks which would suit you perfectly and not bore you with lore or speeches which many like myself immensely enjoying.

The problem is that this game has the exact same quests. Go kill x amount of this mob. The only difference is that they are disguised by saying "you need to find these plans so go keep killing these mobs until it drops" or "I need to make a certain potion and need x amount of mats that only drops from the group of mobs right over there".

I also hated the RP quests where you had to stand and listen to a 5 minute conversation before you could progress. But, the worst for me was the never ending dream sequences in every faction area. How many times do I really need to enter other people's dreams or memories?

Doing it through one faction was great but you can tell the game wasn't designed to play through all 3 factions when the quests are just mirrored with different names and scenery.

Nestor · August 2014

Tharvall wrote: »

If I end up in a solo dungeon where the only way out is running the whole path back,

Did you know you can open up your map and teleport to any Wayshrine you know from anywhere in the game, even the bottom of a dungeon? Just Right Click on the map once or twice and you have access to any wayshrine that you have discovered.

I just took my two crafters in quick succession (do one zone with one, then repeat it with the other) through the AD into Coldharbor. Well, my DC Questing character was the first to defeat Mr. Bal, so he started Caldwell's Silver first. Where did he get sent? Yep, AD. I was like, really? I told my character to go stand under a tree in Vulkhel Guard.

I now have one of my crafters in Caldwells Silver in the EP. Unfortunately, this means my other Crafter will be following along also. I would not worry so much about this as they are leveled enough in crafting to make anything, it's the mats that I get from deconstructing loot that I need. So, they have to level also. I may just take one of them through and send the appropriate loot to the other crafter.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · August 2014

I dunno. My VR3 Vampire Witch is a consummate professional and she fights only what she has to. I can sneak her past most of any dungeon and I'm most pleased when I can get to the boss without disturbing any trash at all.

My silly VR3 NB son, also a Vampire, goes invisible a lot and can go pretty near anywhere he wants. Potions of Invisibility are nowhere near as good.

I do it for RP, and because, although I am kinda facerolling Cadwell, it takes time to kill all the monsters. I just go by em'.

Vuron · August 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I dunno. My VR3 Vampire Witch is a consummate professional and she fights only what she has to. I can sneak her past most of any dungeon and I'm most pleased when I can get to the boss without disturbing any trash at all.

My silly VR3 NB son, also a Vampire, goes invisible a lot and can go pretty near anywhere he wants. Potions of Invisibility are nowhere near as good.

I do it for RP, and because, although I am kinda facerolling Cadwell, it takes time to kill all the monsters. I just go by em'.

You might end up regretting doing this if you're a completionist. My main is a NB and I used to just run Rapid Maneuver and Cloak everywhere. I could stay invisible for over 30 seconds at a time and skipped almost all trash mobs.

I decided to go back and get some of the achievements after I hit VR12 and was way behind on some of the items. I discovered that I had only killed about 100 dwarven constructs and needed 1000, etc. I was this far behind and had done almost everything in the game, but just skipped most of the trash fights.

Djern · August 2014

For me its not the content. I actually enjoy the content. The major hurdle for me is being forced to either grind or do quest on the most tedious leveling in any mmo ive played. ESO was such a nice game until i hit VR 1 and realised i had to do it all over again twice to get to max level. I think the VR levels are the weakest part of ESO.

Sadly, with the lengthy level grind and the raising of level caps, this game is no longer fun for the little casual player.

P.S. Thing is i really enjoyed my level 1-50 experience. Pity the later levels where not as fun.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · August 2014

Vuron wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I dunno. My VR3 Vampire Witch is a consummate professional and she fights only what she has to. I can sneak her past most of any dungeon and I'm most pleased when I can get to the boss without disturbing any trash at all.

My silly VR3 NB son, also a Vampire, goes invisible a lot and can go pretty near anywhere he wants. Potions of Invisibility are nowhere near as good.

I do it for RP, and because, although I am kinda facerolling Cadwell, it takes time to kill all the monsters. I just go by em'.

You might end up regretting doing this if you're a completionist. My main is a NB and I used to just run Rapid Maneuver and Cloak everywhere. I could stay invisible for over 30 seconds at a time and skipped almost all trash mobs.

I decided to go back and get some of the achievements after I hit VR12 and was way behind on some of the items. I discovered that I had only killed about 100 dwarven constructs and needed 1000, etc. I was this far behind and had done almost everything in the game, but just skipped most of the trash fights.

I'm not much of a cheevo guy but yes I guess that could be a problem for some. All I want from a normal dungeon is the sky shard and the boss.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · August 2014

Djern wrote: »

For me its not the content. I actually enjoy the content. The major hurdle for me is being forced to either grind or do quest on the most tedious leveling in any mmo ive played. ESO was such a nice game until i hit VR 1 and realised i had to do it all over again twice to get to max level. I think the VR levels are the weakest part of ESO.

Sadly, with the lengthy level grind and the raising of level caps, this game is no longer fun for the little casual player.

P.S. Thing is i really enjoyed my level 1-50 experience. Pity the later levels where not as fun.

i don't actually get this. It's a widespread complaint alright.

I have a small army, all 8 slots, and I have played since the beta in January. I know all of AD and most of EP and a lot of DC. I have just as much fun as a VR as I did leveling 1 - 50. My VR is well worked out and I have learned a lot about how to play and it just keeps getting better for me.

I'm not sure what you find tedious but I often laugh out load at this game. It's full of well written dialogue and parts of it are very funny, a lot of it quite subtle.

There are MMOs with better questing?

BulbousMeathead · August 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Djern wrote: »

For me its not the content. I actually enjoy the content. The major hurdle for me is being forced to either grind or do quest on the most tedious leveling in any mmo ive played. ESO was such a nice game until i hit VR 1 and realised i had to do it all over again twice to get to max level. I think the VR levels are the weakest part of ESO.

Sadly, with the lengthy level grind and the raising of level caps, this game is no longer fun for the little casual player.

P.S. Thing is i really enjoyed my level 1-50 experience. Pity the later levels where not as fun.

i don't actually get this. It's a widespread complaint alright.

I have a small army, all 8 slots, and I have played since the beta in January. I know all of AD and most of EP and a lot of DC. I have just as much fun as a VR as I did leveling 1 - 50. My VR is well worked out and I have learned a lot about how to play and it just keeps getting better for me.

I'm not sure what you find tedious but I often laugh out load at this game. It's full of well written dialogue and parts of it are very funny, a lot of it quite subtle.

There are MMOs with better questing?

I agree - the dialogue is well-written. It's actually a lot more witty and original than most of the Skyrim quests (imho).

Pseudonym · August 2014

Never really understood why people need to chase max level, especially in ESO. Once you get there, what will you do?

My advice would be this. Forget about leveling and just do whatever it is you like doing. The levels will come in time.

BulbousMeathead · August 2014

If you have the urge to max everything, max your achievements instead of just VR - there are plenty of challenges (some of them quite hard ) and you will be less likely to get bored

Tharvall · August 2014

Vuron wrote: »

Doing it through one faction was great but you can tell the game wasn't designed to play through all 3 factions when the quests are just mirrored with different names and scenery.

That's the exact reason I can't stand it anymore. 1-50 was really nice, VR 1-5 was OK, but now the third time it gets tedious.

They could have designed the game so that you reach VR10 maybe already in the beginning of second faction's campaign, so if you're interested in all the stories of all factions you could still do that, but it would be optional...

But still, I'd prefer if the faction story could only be played by starting a character in that faction. Want to save EP from Evil? Well, join the pact!
There is absolutely no reason to force(!) people to play other faction stories as well.

Oh and actually I spend time playing Divinity: Original Sin instead of logging into ESO.... so obviously it's not story content as such that bothers me.

schroed360 · September 2014

Tharvall wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

Doing it through one faction was great but you can tell the game wasn't designed to play through all 3 factions when the quests are just mirrored with different names and scenery.

That's the exact reason I can't stand it anymore. 1-50 was really nice, VR 1-5 was OK, but now the third time it gets tedious.

They could have designed the game so that you reach VR10 maybe already in the beginning of second faction's campaign, so if you're interested in all the stories of all factions you could still do that, but it would be optional...

But still, I'd prefer if the faction story could only be played by starting a character in that faction. Want to save EP from Evil? Well, join the pact!
There is absolutely no reason to force(!) people to play other faction stories as well.

Oh and actually I spend time playing Divinity: Original Sin instead of logging into ESO.... so obviously it's not story content as such that bothers me.

Actually you don t need to do cadwell gold ...I m VR11 and i did not have finished my vr 6 zone. I admit that i have done all quest and dungeon in craglorn but just once (no grind ) and that just made it from vet 10 to 11...HOW? just run vet dungeon when you want to ( and since i really like them ...).

Atuf · September 2014

Not to anyone personally or specific to this thread maybe, but I've been smirking at these VR levels racing around (calling oneself 'veteran' 2 weeks after game launch? Ha!), but then, I guess leveling is the biggest thing to many. I've been playing solo PvE since launch, and am only just about to hit VR1, yet already halfway through Caldwells Silver (not once seen another character under VR1 in these zones, so feeling ever so unique, haha!). Haven't spent a second in Cyrodiil yet! To each his/her own preferred way(s) of playing and I realize mine is sorta curious. However I'm actually starting to look forward to PvP now that I'm hitting harder than VR3 characters with my level 49 build.

Tekalynn · September 2014

Play styles are really different. I'm not a fan of long dungeon crawls, but I love talking to NPCs and doing quests. I'm the sort of player who has to exhaust *all* the available dialogue options and has to explore the nooks and crannies

Greatfellow · September 2014

I like questing the whole world. Gives me three times the game for my money.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · September 2014

I really enjoy playing my character so VR content is just having more fun playing my character. I have played through lvl 1-50 in all alliances and find I enjoy the quests more with my main character even though I have done the quest before.

Vet zone progression has flown by and I used level 50 gear till VR2, VR2 gear/weapons till VR5 and have just upgraded half my gear/weapons to VR8 now I have reached that level/zone.

Nightblade - Dualwield/Bow (+Resto/S&B/2H/Destro), 5MA/1HA/1LA, Alchemy lvl 50.

Rosveen · September 2014

Stonesthrow wrote: »

You can not say that ZOS doesn't listen… lol… they just tend to bring a canon to a knife fight at times.

You can say that again... I wanted unlocked Tamriel, but optional for the joy of exploration, not required to level up - and certainly not with mandatory Cadwell's Silver questline just to access the third faction! No VR ranks, level 50 across the board, different kind of progression. That would have been fun. As it is, I'm not questing with my VR char at all, just checking out dolmens, group dungeons, looking for skyshards etc. Exp is still trickling in, just slowly. I don't mind, but I'm worried that Murkmire will be designed for level-capped characters so eventually I will have to go through the grind anyway.

Pendrillion · September 2014

I do enjoy the quests of the other factions. But they could have done some quest alterations. Mainly about the reason you do this. And also to avoid the Timetravel feeling. I was very lucky that I missed some parts of Coldharbour. So I was playing through DC and got some background about the happenings there. Per chance I went back to cold harbour. To be frank to obtain some Bakers Flour

. And I ended up doing some follow up quests which led me to the Cliffs of Failure. And then I had a bigger picture of why I had to do what I was asked to. It was kinda cool. Although I wonder what that Altmer Lady was doing there. Haven't put her to the sword yet XD.

Still... thats one of the bigger issues. They should have adjusted VR content story wise as well. I even wouldn't have minded going to Daggerfall as Ambassador of the Pact. Or as reinforcement. Or somesuch thing. Or even as spy. Could have been exciting.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · September 2014

I guess with the mix of phasing, other faction zones and the justice system maybe the two guilds coming later might be bigger and better (and maybe even never ending to a degree) than the fighters and mages which seemed a bit....meh.

I quest, murder and collect mats in hope.

GaiusCastricius · September 2014

Look at any other MMO and be real how many others have different leveling methods? Until they start introducing new ways of level leveling within gaming I don't just mean ESO I mean other games then people will keep posting the same thing again and again about grinding and questing. If you don't enjoy it set yourself other targets within the game that doesn't have to be having the best stat character. ^

And also try to mix up your gaming I play a bit of Fifa, League, GW2 (rarely gw2 anymore though I was addicted) and ESO it keeps your engine running and gives variety if you're not feeling a specific game or frustrated. Then when you come back you are refreshed and ready to go again.