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NB wishes, Nerf magelight.
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✭Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
Right now using magelight is win win, no negatives.
Except taking up 20% of your ability bar... yup no negative whastoever.Edited by Huntler on September 14, 2014 10:18PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
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yeah since 1.3 most sorceres are good. Funny how that works.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
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yeah since 1.3 most sorceres are good. Funny how that works.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
That's funny because most of the sorcs I fight are terrible. I can count on less than 2 hands the number of sorcs I'd consider good, even less great.
Pure offense, glass cannon, streak swarm garbage. I think most of the sorcs are so used to aoeing zergs they forgot how to actually use their class or take advantage of game mechanics.
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This is incorrect, because magelight is a huge waste of a slot on the bar. The vast majority of players (other than dedicated healers) don't use magelight in their default configuration at all.Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »Right now using magelight is win win, no negatives.
Magelight is specifically used to counter stealthers. That's why it's fair, because they have to specifically slot a skill (which they do not normally use) in order to counter your skill.2 -
Mograineb16_ESO✭✭✭Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
Right now using magelight is win win, no negatives.
Except taking up 20% of your ability bar... yup no negative whastoever.
Yes yes.. ofc, why dont you give me a skill that I can slot to specifically counter templar shield and sorceror bolt, because its the same thing. Thats fair right? I cant use stealth, you cant shield or escape either.
This is incorrect, because magelight is a huge waste of a slot on the bar. The vast majority of players (other than dedicated healers) don't use magelight in their default configuration at all.Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »Right now using magelight is win win, no negatives.
Magelight is specifically used to counter stealthers. That's why it's fair, because they have to specifically slot a skill (which they do not normally use) in order to counter your skill.
Well you probably think thats a ridicilous idea and that prevents you from using your main class ability, well thats what magelight does to NB.
Edit: I think mage light should be counter to sneaking, not counter to cloak. Increase range on sneak detection.. maybe 20 meters around you or something instead of 12. But dont make it so NBs main class ability becomes obsolete.
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✭✭✭✭Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
So a night blade should be able to line up a 3K damage combo on me from stealth while I'm unable to see them or detect them through any means. If that combo fails to kill me he should be given a 100% escape mechanism with no chance of me catching him. Sounds very fair!
I'm pretty sure bolt escape and blazing shield are nothing like that at all.
Here is a solution for you....if you want to play a stealth assassin, learn to choose your targets and pick your timing. The advantage of stealth is that you can pick your timing and target and front-load a TON of damage. If you haven't learned when that timing is in the 5 months this game has been out, then magelight isn't your problem.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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out of curiosity, which sorcs do you consider good?ezareth_ESO wrote: »
yeah since 1.3 most sorceres are good. Funny how that works.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
That's funny because most of the sorcs I fight are terrible. I can count on less than 2 hands the number of sorcs I'd consider good, even less great.
Pure offense, glass cannon, streak swarm garbage. I think most of the sorcs are so used to aoeing zergs they forgot how to actually use their class or take advantage of game mechanics.
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✭✭✭✭Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »
out of curiosity, which sorcs do you consider good?ezareth_ESO wrote: »
yeah since 1.3 most sorceres are good. Funny how that works.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
That's funny because most of the sorcs I fight are terrible. I can count on less than 2 hands the number of sorcs I'd consider good, even less great.
Pure offense, glass cannon, streak swarm garbage. I think most of the sorcs are so used to aoeing zergs they forgot how to actually use their class or take advantage of game mechanics.
I'd prefer not to get into names as I wasn't saying what I said to talk trash or talk down to people or get into arguments of the sort.
I think we both can agree that 90-95% of players really don't know their own class, yet alone other classes very well.
As a solo player, if these people didn't exist, I'd rarely get a kill and I'd have far less than a 25-1 K/D ratio.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭ezareth_ESO wrote: »
So a night blade should be able to line up a 3K damage combo on me from stealth while I'm unable to see them or detect them through any means. If that combo fails to kill me he should be given a 100% escape mechanism with no chance of me catching him. Sounds very fair!
Yes, that is exactly what the OP seems to feel entitled to.2 -
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ya wasnt asking for anything like tht just curious cuz why not, but i gotchaezareth_ESO wrote: »Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »
out of curiosity, which sorcs do you consider good?ezareth_ESO wrote: »
yeah since 1.3 most sorceres are good. Funny how that works.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The nightblades are so bad I have to keep magelight on 2 of my bars. Even so the best NBs can almost always get away. Most of them are just bad though.
That's funny because most of the sorcs I fight are terrible. I can count on less than 2 hands the number of sorcs I'd consider good, even less great.
Pure offense, glass cannon, streak swarm garbage. I think most of the sorcs are so used to aoeing zergs they forgot how to actually use their class or take advantage of game mechanics.
I'd prefer not to get into names as I wasn't saying what I said to talk trash or talk down to people or get into arguments of the sort.
I think we both can agree that 90-95% of players really don't know their own class, yet alone other classes very well.
As a solo player, if these people didn't exist, I'd rarely get a kill and I'd have far less than a 25-1 K/D ratio.
Edited by Braidas on September 14, 2014 11:46PM0 -
I'll post it here aswell.
Regarding Magelight: does the bonus from decreased detection area size from Improved Sneak (http://esohead.com/skills/29738-improved-sneak) and Stealthy (http://esohead.com/skills/36022-stealthy) apply to the invisibility provided by Cloak?
Or does Magelight always have 12 meters of detection regarding invisibility (not sneak/crouch)?
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Entitled? Why are you entitled to make my stealth obsolete? If you dont wanna have a 3k damage combo from stealth, you can use mage light to reduce incoming sneak damage with 50%.ezareth_ESO wrote: »
So a night blade should be able to line up a 3K damage combo on me from stealth while I'm unable to see them or detect them through any means. If that combo fails to kill me he should be given a 100% escape mechanism with no chance of me catching him. Sounds very fair!
Yes, that is exactly what the OP seems to feel entitled to.
You guys do nothing, its a passive skill that prevents me from going stealth. Atleast im willing to meet at the middle with this problem. Increase sneak detection radius, so that after we escaped, you can find us easier, or make the skill action so you have to put effort in preventing me going stealth.
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Bet you didn't know that Magelight is bugged and canceling Dark Cloak did ya?Most decent NBs would disagree with this nonsense.
OP's concerns are valid.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1266563/#Comment_1266563
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Yes, ty for the link.
Bet you didn't know that Magelight is bugged and canceling Dark Cloak did ya?Most decent NBs would disagree with this nonsense.
OP's concerns are valid.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1266563/#Comment_1266563
If cloak didnt get broken by magelight and you could feint someone and run in a different direction to get outside the magelight area and be in stealth, that would probably work fine.
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GreyPilgrim✭✭✭Thanks for the link, though it seems it is still up in the air whether the effect change is intentional.
That actually seems like a reasonable compromise though, that Magelight would allow you to 'see' someone who is invisible, but wouldn't actually break their invisibility, thus giving you the heads up if you are paying attention, but not actually disabling the skill.0 -
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Bet you didn't know that Magelight is bugged and canceling Dark Cloak did ya?Most decent NBs would disagree with this nonsense.
OP's concerns are valid.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1266563/#Comment_1266563
don't really care, honestly.
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✭Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
Whats funnier is that somehow anyone who disagrees with you is a troll or doesn't understand, and your opinion must be right.
And to another point you made, Magelight does not completely negate dark cloak, it does so under only certain circumstances.0 -
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Yes, ty for the link.
Bet you didn't know that Magelight is bugged and canceling Dark Cloak did ya?Most decent NBs would disagree with this nonsense.
OP's concerns are valid.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1266563/#Comment_1266563
If cloak didnt get broken by magelight and you could feint someone and run in a different direction to get outside the magelight area and be in stealth, that would probably work fine.
I take it you have never used invisibility. We do not "run" anywhere which is part of the problem. All we can do it slowly skulk away (unlike Sorc who can get completely out of range with a single blink) and have to reapply invis every 2.9 secs which quickly drains your magicka. All you have to do is run around to easily catch a NB (unless they have the super speed sneak which most do not)
I don't understand why all these counters to stealth were built into the system but nothing to stop things like blink.
Maybe if NBs had more inherent speed when Invis. and for a longer duration it wouldn't be as big of a deal but currently it's ridiculous.
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Whats even more funnier is that according to you I cant argue against what you are saying, because then im in the wrong. I dont think that people isnt understanding what im saying, I just dont agree with what they are saying... and my opinion is not the "correct" one, its just that, MY opinion. There is smarter people out there that design skills, I just made a wish, not a demand.Mograineb16_ESO wrote: »
Whats funnier is that somehow anyone who disagrees with you is a troll or doesn't understand, and your opinion must be right.
And to another point you made, Magelight does not completely negate dark cloak, it does so under only certain circumstances.
Ofc I call someone a troll, when they claim to play NB and never had a problem with magelight, ofc this depend on what they think is a problem. But being in melee range of someone who use magelight and you try using cloak and it fails. I think thats an obvious problem, doesnt matter if its intended.
And yes, magelight only negates dark cloak under certain circumstances.. and these circumstances are what Im having problem with, making cloak useless in its area of effect.
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Dude, while standing up and we use cloak, we either run in normal run speed or 25% faster than normal run speed when using concealed weapon skill.PlagueMonk wrote: »
I take it you have never used invisibility. We do not "run" anywhere which is part of the problem. All we can do it slowly skulk away (unlike Sorc who can get completely out of range with a single blink) and have to reapply invis every 2.9 secs which quickly drains your magicka. All you have to do is run around to easily catch a NB (unless they have the super speed sneak which most do not)
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭OP I don't actually have a problem with magelight being in the game to counter cloak. Reason being is that if it weren't, even the crappiest NB's would be practically unkillable because of their fail-safe escape in Dark Cloak. And then everyone will roll NB and all we'll be having is a huge Ambush party.
Also, usually sorcs are the ones to break me out of stealth thanks to the range on their streak stun. Now that needs to be nerfed even more after 1.4 drops. As it is right now you can stun someone infinitely with streak as the rules of CC break and CC immune don't apply to that skill for whatever reason. Other than that I see no problem with sorcs having an escape. They're squishy usually so if they weren't being pansies they would just be dead (not calling all sorc's out here. Just a lot of people I mark who are sorcs tend to run away all the time like cowards. I have come across good sorcs and have respect for them, but the ones that just blink away I shake my head). Templars and DK's have no escape so they need survivability in the form of shields/heals.Member of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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Yeah I agree with you, it would probably be too strong if you went into stealth 100%. That doesnt mean I cant dream right?OP I don't actually have a problem with magelight being in the game to counter cloak. Reason being is that if it weren't, even the crappiest NB's would be practically unkillable because of their fail-safe escape in Dark Cloak. And then everyone will roll NB and all we'll be having is a huge Ambush party.
Also, usually sorcs are the ones to break me out of stealth thanks to the range on their streak stun. Now that needs to be nerfed even more after 1.4 drops. As it is right now you can stun someone infinitely with streak as the rules of CC break and CC immune don't apply to that skill for whatever reason. Other than that I see no problem with sorcs having an escape. They're squishy usually so if they weren't being pansies they would just be dead (not calling all sorc's out here. Just a lot of people I mark who are sorcs tend to run away all the time like cowards. I have come across good sorcs and have respect for them, but the ones that just blink away I shake my head). Templars and DK's have no escape so they need survivability in the form of shields/heals.
But I like how the magelight was working before the latest patch, that made them see you in cloak but not breaking cloak, so that would make it easier to get away. Maybe they thought it was too easy for nightblades to escape when it was like that and now then made it how it is right now.. who knows really.
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