Acquired horses should be available to all characters in a specific account

PharmaChief · September 2014

I started a new character lately (my second one, i have never tried an alt before) in order to be able to play non veteran pvp which for some reason i enjoy far more than Thornblade...
So i found out that my new character can't use the horse of my main character(by the way i don't have and neither want to buy imperial edition). The problem is that not only i now need to raise a lot of money to buy a new horse in game but i also need to spent days feeding it in order to be any use... So why so much time waste for things i have already done when all i want is to get to level 10 and do only pvp with that character...
By the way i don't consider Cyrodiil to be either playable or fun without a fast horse... the distances i have to cover every time i die are simply to large.
So my thought is that as bank items are common for all characters so should stable horses be common for all characters too.
If there is a way of doing that which i missed please enlighten me...

Ganacampo · September 2014

I think each character should have to work for his horse.

And you could give money from your high level character to your new character via your bank, so that he can efford it earlier.

PharmaChief · September 2014

Sniff... i never really saved that much money... i could buy a common horse quite fast but that would take days of feeding to get where i need it... The more expensive one will require lots of grinding...
Still i would agree with you if horses were not free for those who paid the imperial edition. Right now it feels more as a way to force people to buy imperial edition, just to save time...

Tavore1138 · September 2014

There is no way I know of except to but the IE and get the 1g horse. Personally I am OK with that, others aren't.

You have a game system that is trying hard both to satisfy an also be fair to two diverse types of player.

One type sees each character as an entity with it's own path, choices, achievements and property. They probably aren't overly pleased their level 3 can use dyes their VR12 earned & feel each character should have it's own bank etc. i tend towards this view.

Then other players see the account as the identity, all characters on the account are extensions of the same player and should have access to what the player has done even if the character is new. I suspect this is closer to your view.

If my way was given everything you'd have far less fun, equally if you get your way 100% I will have far less fun.

Neither is inherently wrong & ZOS have to try to keep both happy, so that is why you can share the bank but not the horses, why you get the dyes across the account but still have to earn skill points on each character... They can't even make it an optional thing because it would unbalance PvP.

Can't make everyone happy all the time.

PharmaChief · September 2014

I don't think it's about different people tastes... It is about PVP being an experience for masochists unless you own a horse. Those who paid the extra euro's can have that all the time with no effort required. The rest have to work on that every time they start a new character. It is in fact a pay wall. Even if it takes me only a few days of grind to get the money its still a boring process that i have already done before (it was fun the first time) and i only have to repeat because i didn't pay more euro's

Tavore1138 · September 2014

I understand your point but do not think sharing horses is the best solution.

The real problem for you is that at level 10 even a basic horse is a lot of gold to get, the solution ZOS should look at is more variety in mounts so you could get a basic horse for 5k which will speed your way around PvP enough to make it less tedious but by level 30 you'd be upgrading to a much better 30k horse with better stats and by VR you might pay 100k for one that comes with even better starting stats.

PharmaChief · September 2014

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I understand your point but do not think sharing horses is the best solution.

The real problem for you is that at level 10 even a basic horse is a lot of gold to get, the solution ZOS should look at is more variety in mounts so you could get a basic horse for 5k which will speed your way around PvP enough to make it less tedious but by level 30 you'd be upgrading to a much better 30k horse with better stats and by VR you might pay 100k for one that comes with even better starting stats.

That would be a welcome change. Another idea could be to offer players inside Cyrodiil a basic horse that they could use only in PVP and only inside Cyrodiil.
(My main character is Vet1 level so i didn't manage to raise a fortune yet in order to help my alt buying a new horse.)
Still i don't see where the great deal is about sharing horses between characters. Buying and leveling horses is a process that only requires time. If i have already done that once why do it again? (That is raise money and spend 50 days of real time to get it to level 50). There are after all other better horses to spend my money for instead of buying the same horse type for each new character. Its not like you can't share literally everything else... (bank space, equipment, money). A horse is the only thing my main owns that he cant share with my alt. However i see it, i believe the truth behind it has a name and that is "money wall". (real money i mean)

Tavore1138 · September 2014

I would guess it is all about time taken on a character?

It does require time but then isn't that what a game is? A way to occupy time in a pleasurable way? For some players the journey of taking a new character is part of that pleasure be it the questing, the levelling, the figuring out a new build down to the less 'exciting' things... Like getting the money to buy and feed a horse, maybe giving it a name other than the default and so on...

At the same time ZOS need to provide time & gold sinks and this is one of them.

It is not a cash wall because you can easily buy a horse in game if you focus on gold generation for a few hours (ie grab a bunch of ore, refine it & sell the crafting materials at slightly under the market rate). And even if you have the 1g horse you still have the 50 day levelling to do AND it is not as good as the 40k horses anyway.

Elsonso · September 2014

I am generally against common mounts.

Another game that I play recently changed to common mounts and the result is that the importance of the mount is diluted.

Before the change, a character had to work for the mount. It was a status symbol to be seen on a mount and it meant that the character performed a specific task or met a specific criteria.

After the change, one character can go get the rare drop mounts and everyone gets to use them. Now it is unimportant what mount you have, there is no character status associated with it, unless you happen to have one of the mounts that have a profession or skill criteria.

In ESO the importance is not only the price of the mount but the daily care and feeding to build the mount. There is no barrier for access to mounts other than having the mount. The importance of buying and building up a mount is diluted by having a level 3 in soul shriven green outrunning everything in Auridon on a level 50 speed mount.

It also eliminates the possibility of horse thievery, which I would really like to see in the justice system.

driosketch · September 2014

Having common horses doesn't help my alts with pack horses for extra inventory. Just saying.

kieso · September 2014

horses should be much cheaper; like 15k-25k or something

seanolan · September 2014

Nobody frakking needs a bloody horse. Of course you should have to work for it, each time. What other frakking money sink do they have? God, the entitlement of gamers.

PharmaChief · September 2014

Again i would agree with everyone who has posted here if the 1 gold white horses didn't exist. Their existence alone brakes all the arguments i have heard here.
I do see level 3 characters in Soul Shriven clothes riding beautiful white horses so there goes the status symbol argument. And how much did those who buy the imperial edition had to work for their horses?
I would agree with any cosmetic exclusive but if you are giving account bound horses for 1 gold to some players then i don't see why i have to try so hard to buy a new horse every time i start a new character.
Imagine how we would all feel if at some point players could buy unique equipment like armor and weapons with real money or ready to play level 50 characters(vet1).
I realize that this is not important to some people and in fact its not all that important to me, mostly an inconvenience. I am simply trying to explain my personal opinion as to why horses should be account bound, based on the present state of the game. And if that is not possible then the game would be kind to offer a solution for at least PVP. It wouldn't be strange if a particular alliance would offer horses to its soldiers for the duration of their stay in Cyrodiil.

Elsonso · September 2014

PharmaChief wrote: »

I do see level 3 characters in Soul Shriven clothes riding beautiful white horses so there goes the status symbol argument. And how much did those who buy the imperial edition had to work for their horses?

But, they are not level 50 horses and everyone knows it. That actually makes a difference. My level 50 horse is better than their level 1 horse, even if it is the lower stature white horse.

What horse sharing says is that everyone can have a brown level 50 horse at any character level.

PharmaChief wrote: »

Imagine how we would all feel if at some point players could buy unique equipment like armor and weapons with real money or ready to play level 50 characters(vet1).

I consider horses to be a lot like pets, although pets that can be improved, or not, by in-game actions. So, I am not all that worried about Imperial horses as a perk for an out-of-game cash purchase.

However, I do consider armor and weapons to be different and hope that they do not start giving away these things as prizes or perks of an out-of-game cash purchase.

OrangeTheCat · September 2014

A horse is like any other piece of equipment (e.g., armor) and should remain as is: bound to the character.

Tandor · September 2014

Just because the OP doesn't want to fork out a few euros for the Imperial Edition doesn't mean that those who did so should have their purchase trivialised by every other lowbie riding around on higher level shared mounts.

There are two ways of getting a mount - buy the Imperial Edition or grind the gold, it's a simple choice followed by the time and gold taken to feed it. That seems perfectly fair to me, and it isn't something I'd want to see changed just to facilitate PvP.

DaniAngione · September 2014

PharmaChief wrote: »

So why so much time waste for things i have already done...

Since we're here, I ran every dungeon in the game with my main, so why can't I get all the rare and special loot from them to all my other characters?

Talking about other characters, by the way... I've already levelled my first characters, why do I have to level all the other seven?

And why do I have to attack my enemies? I already attacked my first enemy back in bleakrock island! All the others should just drop dead in front of me, now!

Why?? Why can't I have the game behave the way I want it to? WHY!?!

Just kidding, mate. No offense

I'm just bringing some silly examples ('cause I'm a silly person) though I understand your 'plea'. Horse price will eventually drop, if that comforts you, but for some it's ok the way it is. It's hard to balance a game to so many people! There will always be unhappy people and happy people, I guess.
But hey, most characters can buy their own mount around the second zone if you do well; and I'm not even a trade guild user or anything like that

ArconSeptim · September 2014

Yeah I agree if I did not purchase Imperial edition it would took me month to buy a horse without spending any gold on potions gems fixes and new armor.
That's why horse price should go way down.

PharmaChief · September 2014

DaniAngione wrote: »

PharmaChief wrote: »

So why so much time waste for things i have already done...

Since we're here, I ran every dungeon in the game with my main, so why can't I get all the rare and special loot from them to all my other characters?

Talking about other characters, by the way... I've already levelled my first characters, why do I have to level all the other seven?

And why do I have to attack my enemies? I already attacked my first enemy back in bleakrock island! All the others should just drop dead in front of me, now!

Why?? Why can't I have the game behave the way I want it to? WHY!?!

Just kidding, mate. No offense
I'm just bringing some silly examples ('cause I'm a silly person) though I understand your 'plea'. Horse price will eventually drop, if that comforts you, but for some it's ok the way it is. It's hard to balance a game to so many people! There will always be unhappy people and happy people, I guess.
But hey, most characters can buy their own mount around the second zone if you do well; and I'm not even a trade guild user or anything like that

No offence taken but unless i am wrong any loot you have acquired with one character can be transffered to another through common banking... Horses are actually the only thing your character has that he can't share with another in the same account.

Still i understand your point although auto leveling and auto killing (i would love that in PVP, lol) are quite different than what i am talking about. Anyway after the global negative reaction of the community on this matter i hereby withdraw my demand for free horses to the people. Case closed!
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Artis · September 2014

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

PharmaChief · September 2014

Artemis wrote: »

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

But not horses. Just NO!! You will work for these. Sweat and tears!!
Case closed!!

Tandor · September 2014

Artemis wrote: »

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

So why not xp? One character kills a mob, all characters on the account benefit from it?

Where does it stop?

Where do you draw the line and say a player actually has to do something to advance each of his characters?

PharmaChief · September 2014

Tandor wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

So why not xp? One character kills a mob, all characters on the account benefit from it?

Where does it stop?

Where do you draw the line and say a player actually has to do something to advance each of his characters?

To the horses...

Elsonso · September 2014

Tandor wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

So why not xp? One character kills a mob, all characters on the account benefit from it?

Where does it stop?

Where do you draw the line and say a player actually has to do something to advance each of his characters?

The new Champion System will extend the concept that it is the player, not the character, that is important. Champion Points will be assignable to any character on the account.

Now, I am not certain why anyone would want to split Champion Points between characters. I think they are under the misguided impression that splitting the points is something people will want to do. I am predicting that not putting the CP into a single character will be wasting them.

I do not want account-wide mounts, but I expect that they will do it.

Unknown_poster · September 2014

This is why you can't have nice things. The same people who won't buy the Imperial edition are the same people who think that rent-to-own appliances and payday loans are a good thing. From the constant whinging and hand-wringing over the sub fee and the extra 20 bucks for the "special" edition, many of these people have real life issues that they should be addressing instead of spending money on games.

KenjiJU · September 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

I think, everything that can be shared for all the characters of 1 account should be shared.
We already have 5 guilds for all the characters. I mean, devs literally tell us that it's not a character, it's a player who plays the game.
So why stop? Make achievements, mounts, and pets tied to an account! (p.s. dyes already are available for all the toons)

So why not xp? One character kills a mob, all characters on the account benefit from it?

Where does it stop?

Where do you draw the line and say a player actually has to do something to advance each of his characters?

The new Champion System will extend the concept that it is the player, not the character, that is important. Champion Points will be assignable to any character on the account.

Now, I am not certain why anyone would want to split Champion Points between characters. I think they are under the misguided impression that splitting the points is something people will want to do. I am predicting that not putting the CP into a single character will be wasting them.

I do not want account-wide mounts, but I expect that they will do it.

As for CP, I don't think that's how it would work. If you're familiar with BL2, each character gains all the bonuses you've picked. I think in this situation it will either be that, or each character gains their own CP in addition to CP for all their other 50+ chars. Points wouldn't be ninja'd from one char to another.

Sorry, off-topic.

As for shared mounts, I think there will be additional outrage from the RP community, since naming horses is a thing.

SweetRollBandit · September 2014

Shared mounts with all characters would be awesome, or at least having the price reduced on them. I have various characters and I like to ride various horses but they take so much money and time it's ridiculous. Bank space and horses are really the only things we play the game for to afford to buy

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BloodStorm · September 2014

I dont see the point of several characters because you can experience all factions with one character. Only reason for multiple characters is to find the playstyle you like and then delete those characters. Now if ESO had faction pride then I could understand a horse option needed more. Of course I do make sure to tell non Altmer in AD that they are lesser races.

SweetRollBandit · September 2014

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

I dont see the point of several characters because you can experience all factions with one character. Only reason for multiple characters is to find the playstyle you like and then delete those characters. Now if ESO had faction pride then I could understand a horse option needed more. Of course I do make sure to tell non Altmer in AD that they are lesser races.

Some people just don't like to play with one character through all the factions and they shouldn't be forced to. Having shared mounts doesn't mean you have to use all the horses, if people are elitist. They can use one horse for one character and ignore the rest. Having shared mounts doesn't hurt anything but peoples pride.

Theosis · September 2014

They gave us an alternative with the palomino.. 1g just like the imperial.
Because they make us use our account name instead of our char name for almost everything and because we share a bank with all our chars this makes for a good argument that we should be able to use all our mounts on all our chars.

one way or another not both..

Id rather all our chars share bank, mounts, and gold.

Elsonso · September 2014

KenjiJU wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The new Champion System will extend the concept that it is the player, not the character, that is important. Champion Points will be assignable to any character on the account.

As for CP, I don't think that's how it would work. If you're familiar with BL2, each character gains all the bonuses you've picked. I think in this situation it will either be that, or each character gains their own CP in addition to CP for all their other 50+ chars. Points wouldn't be ninja'd from one char to another.

Paul Sage: "It will be account wide so once you open up the Champion rank you will be able to take these points and apply to other characters. The points you put in one character won’t affect your other characters and there is a built in respec that will be fairly straightforward and easy to get."

Vague, but that statement is the basis for my opinion. Just for clarity.

KenjiJU wrote: »

As for shared mounts, I think there will be additional outrage from the RP community, since naming horses is a thing.

I wonder how many people know that mounts can be named.