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  • JKorr
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, I love the forums and think it is very cool that ZOS is listening to us and using our feedback to make an awesome game even better!

    Sorry, what?

    Which part are you having problems with?

    If the devs weren't listening, there would still be faction locks, and you wouldn't be able to take one character through all three factions. There are a lot of things they changed. Whether the things changed for the better or worse is usually up to personal preferences.
  • MorHawk
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    JKorr wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, I love the forums and think it is very cool that ZOS is listening to us and using our feedback to make an awesome game even better!

    Sorry, what?

    Which part are you having problems with?

    If the devs weren't listening, there would still be faction locks, and you wouldn't be able to take one character through all three factions. There are a lot of things they changed. Whether the things changed for the better or worse is usually up to personal preferences.

    And collision. And the API. Heck, if you believe rumours, the combat was originally supposed to be turn based until they Skyrimmed it after a huge outcry.
    Observant wrote: »
    I can count to potato.
    another topic that cant see past its own farts.
    WWJLHD?
  • MornaBaine
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    So long as you present your counter-arguments logically and with supporting evidence, it is fine to disagree with people on the forums. But if the best you can come up with is, "Well I don't like your character class because I think it's already OP so I don't want the devs to ever do anything that the people who actually PLAY that class want, no matter how small or insignificant, just because!" then you're on pretty shaky ground. You don't seem like the kind of person who would stoop to that sort of "argumentation" but that "style" is already pretty rampant on these forums. So try to avoid it.

    You realise that you're guilty of the same thing? That you dislike the appearance of your character is sufficient to justify the skills you obtain through being a vamp. There's a price to pay. Much like how I choose a piece of armour as it looks better rather than the perks it provides.

    The people who complain about this sound like petulant children. If you don't want to look like that don't be a vamp. Much like when I choose a race, I may prefer passives of another race but I still chose bosmer. Weigh up what you want and make a choice. Don't make a choice knowingly and then complain about it.

    So you're my stalker now eh? I feel so special. Not only do you personally attack me in my own thread but now you're going to follow me around and do it anywhere else you can find me, too. Brilliant. I guess this is how you compensate for being utterly unable to come up with a logical counter argument.
    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

  • Lionxoft
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    JKorr wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    k9mouse wrote: »
    TBH, I love the forums and think it is very cool that ZOS is listening to us and using our feedback to make an awesome game even better!

    Sorry, what?

    Which part are you having problems with?

    If the devs weren't listening, there would still be faction locks, and you wouldn't be able to take one character through all three factions. There are a lot of things they changed. Whether the things changed for the better or worse is usually up to personal preferences.

    Werewolves. Vampires. Forward Camps. Stamina Builds. Exploits. Campaign swapping. Emperor Trading. Emperor Farming. Former Emperor Buffs. Veteran Rank Increases. Armor/SR caps. Meaningful PvP. Stable Servers. Support. Balance. Itemization.

    Yup. They are listening to us... Glad the aforementioned were addressed appropriately to benefit the game and make it even better!

    Oh, wait... :/

    The AMA today will be interesting at least.
  • Elsonso
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    JKorr wrote: »
    If the devs weren't listening ...you wouldn't be able to take one character through all three factions.

    Wait. That travesty is our fault? Can I call a mulligan on that? :smile:

    I do want to agree that there is positive sign that ZOS does hear what people say in here, and always has. They may or may not agree, they definitely do not implement every suggestion, and when the do take action they do it on their schedule, but there is no reason to believe that the forum is ignored.

    Along with that is the possibility that when they do something, they will do precisely and exactly the opposite of what some people suggest.


    Edited by Elsonso on September 12, 2014 1:14PM
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  • JKorr
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    Yep.

    I never said the devs implement things the way people want, or think they should. They clearly do watch the feedback and what people want. They use their own parameters for putting the suggestions into the game.

    As I said, whether people consider the changes worthwhile or not is a matter of personal preference. It is clear however that the devs do see what is posted on the forums.

    @Lionxoft; hopefully they will start listening to people testing when they say a mechanic of the game will be abused or exploited. I will only start really worrying when they stop patching and updating. Until then, as the worst abuses show up it seems that the problems will be patched or changed. I think they could react a bit faster in some cases, like the duping issues at release, but they are attempting patches and loop-hole closing when it becomes clear that things will be abused/exploited. [I don't pvp, so I'll take your word for problems in Cyrodiil.]
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