[News] Senche-Tiger Mount Confirmed Soon^TM

kimboh · September 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Though its kind of funny us Bosmer ride ponies compared to other horses

Lol, true.
I was standing next to a Bosmer on a 'horse' and my unmounted my high elf was taller than the mounted Bosmer.

cazlonb16_ESO · September 2014

Nihili wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

Oh wow how about give fixes for real problems....

Oh wow, I'm partial to looking at a gift horse in the mouth myself.

Let's wait and see if it's actually a gift first...

tplink3r1 · September 2014

i hope its rare, or not as fast as horses.

Shunravi · September 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

i hope its rare, or not as fast as horses.

It probably won't be as fast as horses, at least, not for as long.

As I understand it, their mount design philosophy is that each will have unique benifits. The horse's being unlimited sprint after its stamina runs out.

UrQuan · September 2014

Draxuul wrote: »

You`re right i don`t know the entire TES lore. Only some of it . It could make sense that Khajiit have some kind of connection with felines and that they`re able to tame them more easily than human, orcs and elves . I can accept seeing a few Khajiit riding their feline mounts.

But i certainly cannot agree with seeing orcs or humans riding tigers.

Worst case scenario, maybe wood elves, cuz they`re a lot close to nature than any other races.

I could also see Argonians riding a Guar or some other kind of reptile large enough to act as a mount . But once again i wouldn`t want to see humans or elves riding those mounts.

According to the lore, senche-tigers are intelligent (exactly how intelligent depends on who you ask - Khajiit tend to put more stock in their intelligence than others, which makes sense considering that senche-tigers are considered to be a form of Khajiit), and are used extensively as mounts in Elsweyr. To get a senche-tiger as a mount you should have to convince that senche-tiger that you're worthy of riding it (which is why I suggested there should be a quest). Obviously Khajiit would be the ones most likely to be able to do this, but there's absolutely no lore-based reasoning for preventing other races from riding senche-tigers.

As far as Guar go, you're way off-base in thinking that Argonians should be the most likely to ride them. Dunmer are the most likely by far, as they're native to Morrowind (the home of the Dunmer), and is the most common domesticated herd animal there.

Whether a race is likely to use a particular mount really has little to do with whether that mount is similar to that race (are horses similar to humans?), and has more to do with whether that race and that potential mount are primarily found in the same areas of Tamriel.

zdkazz · September 2014

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2014

zdkazz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

Yeah, it should only be allowed for Khajiit Characters, let the others have the Horses

Homm · September 2014

So, how many $ will we have to pay in the shop? -.-

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2014

Homm wrote: »

So, how many $ will we have to pay in the shop? -.-

This one will definitely buy one, Kotaro needs his Senche-Tiger Mount..

ArconSeptim · September 2014

Yeah it's like when they told soon we will add horse racing but that day never come....

Woolenthreads · September 2014

So. We really will be able to create He-man and Battle-cat

UrQuan · September 2014

zdkazz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

Cite your source. I've seen lore that says they are used as mounts, I've never seen any lore that says they refuse to let non-Khajiit ride them.

Tapio75 · September 2014

Sad news, a first step to flying dragons has been taken.

Elder_III · September 2014

From uesp.net - the former is what I expect to see since the devs said they would be a little larger then the current Senche-Tigers that are in the game now.

"Senche
The Senche is commonly employed by the other Khajiit breeds as a steed, presumably by will. Roughly the same height as the average Altmer, with an average weight comparable to that of twenty Altmer.
[edit]Senche-raht
Larger and slower than the Senche, the Senche-raht are also possessed of a shorter body-span and straighter legs. The average Senche-raht stands as tall as two Altmer and can weigh as much or more than fifty. Like the Senche, Senche-raht are also employed as steeds, notably in battle, whence they earned the title "battlecats" from Imperial troopers."

redsteelb16_ESO · September 2014

I'm concern this will destroy any little shred of the ES feel that is in this game.

As it is ESO is missing so much of the feel of the Elder Scrolls as it is, all that is left is the overall look, sound and the settings. If this is polluted with people riding all kinds of silly creatures, then there will be nothing left to make this game feel like an Elder Scrolls world to me.

There are plenty of MMO out there where you can ride silly creatures, if they start letting people ride all kinds of silly creatures then this game is just going to feel like any other MMO, the only thing that is keeping me here is this game is just barely ...and I mean barely imo...the Elder Scrolls theme.

There should be plenty of things you could do with Horses

Example
* Have different breeds of horses (see elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Horse_(Skyrim) )
* Let Blacksmiths craft special motif armors
* Let clothers craft special motif tabards
* Have special horse like: Arvak or Shadowmere

Arvak

Shadowmere

AlexDougherty · September 2014

UrQuan wrote: »

zdkazz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

Cite your source. I've seen lore that says they are used as mounts, I've never seen any lore that says they refuse to let non-Khajiit ride them.

In game books from Morrowind to Skyrim all say that Senche only permit their fellow Khajiit ride them.

Tapio75 · September 2014

I dont really know whether to cry or laugh at claims that Senche is perfectly okay with lore.

Sure the tiger is in lore as a mount but when you resote the holy word of lore, do not disregard the actual fact, that these cats are only lore friendly for Khajit.

No other race has any connoection to use Senche as a mount. They kind of choose are you worth riding them in the first place and im pretty sure other races would have hard time convincing Senche to be mounts while they just wanna eat that annoying Dunmer pestering their beaty sleep.

In any case, the should never be a gift, furthermore it is even more foolish to let people have these for gol, no matter how costly.

Only way ti get one would be firstly and most importantly be a Khajit, then you have to go through a serious vet level quest chain to convince one to be your mount and i mean real tedious so that less people will have them.

I am okay with senche as long as it stays only for Khajit and only real minority of playerbase will have them.

Othervise, i demand a separate phase where i dont see these at all.

Dominoid · September 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

zdkazz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

Cite your source. I've seen lore that says they are used as mounts, I've never seen any lore that says they refuse to let non-Khajiit ride them.

In game books from Morrowind to Skyrim all say that Senche only permit their fellow Khajiit ride them.

I've searched the Imperial Library for all these supposed lore books and references that senche-tigers are rideable by Khajiit only and can't find a one.

The most detailed book about them is called Sugarbelly.

AlexDougherty · September 2014

Dominoid wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

zdkazz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Please no. It ruins the unique style of this game. There should not be other mounts than horses.

timidobserver wrote: »

The lore conservatives are probably going to freak out, but I think this is a good thing. This is one of those things where the MMO factor wins out.

Draxuul wrote: »

Seriously ??? COME ON ............ just as i expected, this game will start to resemble WoW little by little untill it just becomes another friggin wow clone.

It was friggin innevitable from the start , i knew it.

At least i cannot say that i didn't try. I was here on the forums almost everyday trying to fight off all of the demands that came from old WoW players who tried to bring some of WoW into ESO.

Yeah i failed but at least i tried .

friggin tiger mounts , come on man , thats gotta be a joke. The second they're in the game i'm out for good , no chance of me ever coming back .

I'll go back to space sims or something . At least i won't see people riding tigers out there .

Draxuul

OK, so this thread has served as proof that @Annra @timidobserver and @Draxuul don't know their Elder Scrolls lore...

I definitely hope that this mount can only be obtained by completing a quest to gain the senche-tiger's loyalty. Put the quest in Reaper's March so that it'll be available to Aldmeri Dominion players pre-vet levels, while players of other pacts need to get to vet levels to obtain them. This makes sense from a lore perspective because senche-tigers are native to that zone. Ideally at the same time senche-tigers are brought into the game another unique mount is introduced for each of the other 2 factions (again, through a quest set in one of the faction zones). Guar for EP obviously, although I'm not sure what the one for DC would be.

it is a lore based mount it is true but the lore also says they refuse to let anyone but a khajiit ride them, so yeah...it is lorebreaking

Cite your source. I've seen lore that says they are used as mounts, I've never seen any lore that says they refuse to let non-Khajiit ride them.

In game books from Morrowind to Skyrim all say that Senche only permit their fellow Khajiit ride them.

I've searched the Imperial Library for all these supposed lore books and references that senche-tigers are rideable by Khajiit only and can't find a one.

The most detailed book about them is called Sugarbelly.

There are a few as I recall, one was about the difference types of khajiit, it mentions the Senche and the Senche-Raht, it says they sometimes allow other Khajiit to ride them.

Senche-raht says Khanjiit ride them, doesn't mention other races.

There is nothing is these books saying that other races can't ride them, but the overall tone is that they only permit Khajiit and even then only in dire circumstances. It's more a matter of interpretation than defination.

UrQuan · September 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

In game books from Morrowind to Skyrim all say that Senche only permit their fellow Khajiit ride them.

Show me one that says this.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

There is nothing is these books saying that other races can't ride them, but the overall tone is that they only permit Khajiit and even then only in dire circumstances. It's more a matter of interpretation than defination.

Ah, I see. There isn't one.

Ragefist · September 2014

I suppose lore wouldnt be a problem. We are heroes and adventurers. We save Mane's butt, how much friendlier with the Cat you can get? It gives perfect sense for single player

The problem occurs once you see everyone and his little sister riding them, then immersion is flushed down the toilet

Vizier · September 2014

TequilaFire wrote: »

Imagine if your Senche Tiger mount could fight for you like Shadowmere did.
(Hey I can dream can't I?)

That is a nice dream IMO. I would like to see mounts be more summonable and act as pets when not ridden and in some cases act as summons that fight / attack on their own in other instances. Could be interesting and would make immersion around mounts better. I never did like the magically appearing and disappearing horses. Is what it is though and as you say. We can dream.

Personally I don't care if they are available to all, only Kahjiit , or all through special quest line in Elswyre. It might be cool to have different mounts, It could be cool to have multiple class / race specific mounts added and for those complaining about "Wow" clones and that "ESO is selling out" just seriously get over it. ESO is going to do things not seen in previous TES games but based on the lore. They've said this will be the case. It's no secret. (based on lore doesn't necessarily mean strict interpretation.)..just sayin.

Just roll with the game you'll have more fun.

SweetRollBandit · September 2014

I hope "soon" is actually soon and not DB "one year" soon.

AlexDougherty · September 2014

UrQuan wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

In game books from Morrowind to Skyrim all say that Senche only permit their fellow Khajiit ride them.

Show me one that says this.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

There is nothing is these books saying that other races can't ride them, but the overall tone is that they only permit Khajiit and even then only in dire circumstances. It's more a matter of interpretation than defination.

Ah, I see. There isn't one.

Hey, I haven't actually got a problem with the Senche mounts, just pointing you in the direction of the lore (which I only hazily remember) so you can put together a counter argument.

I actually want to see more types of mounts in the game.

nolankotulan · September 2014

I think Senche-Tiger mounts should be restricted to Khajiit characters.
Lore or not, I think it would be really weird to see such mounts everywhere in Tamriel, mounted by probably most of the players instead of horses.

This would be terribly immersion breaking for me, and I understand that it looks a bit like a WoW thing in some aspects for some people, as for me too.

Anyway, the 1.4 is out and so, are these mounts released or not?

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Cool. But you know people on the forums think soon means tomorrow.

Truth.

"soon" in ESo dev time means atleast after 3/4 months and even then it is a maybe.

Dominoid · September 2014

nolankotulan wrote: »

I think Senche-Tiger mounts should be restricted to Khajiit characters.
Lore or not, I think it would be really weird to see such mounts everywhere in Tamriel, mounted by probably most of the players instead of horses.

This would be terribly immersion breaking for me, and I understand that it looks a bit like a Wow thing in some aspects for some people, as for me too.

Anyway, the 1.4 is out and so, are these mounts released or not?

The mount was never slated for 1.4.

Martinus72 · September 2014

I'm personally more than happy with this mount. Can't help the fact cats are my soft spot and this was my favourite mount in all previous MMO and I'm sorry if it prevents lore puritists from quiet sleeping

Zabus · September 2014

Finally I will feel like a true khajiit, riding my senche in to battle!!!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

I'm really surprised more people aren't enraged by what a huge lore break this is. I know people quitting because of this news.

Without the lore of TES, this is just another generic MMO. I didn't sign on for that.

If I wasn't already disenfranchised by so many other things, this would probably be a very big problem for me. As it stands, I expect nothing from ZOS but disappointment.