Well descriped, but we are missing the true point here, first why have it been taking 3 weeks to conquer the map, well easy to say, simple no players, we managed to establish a group of total 24 Ebonheart players, after two weeks, uhh some days we could have 2 groups, like a total of maybe 50 players even if registred above 100 players on the map, but there is allways some people only questing and skyshard hunting.

But seriously we have been fighting for ages, just to keep Nikel and Bleakers, in either red or blue color, which ofcause had been fun. Then one night 15 Ebonheart players agrees to make a night run, to steal the yellow scrolls from the blue, and yes major succes, we got them 2 days later they suddenly march all by them self back to yellow headquarters which are widely open, so we go down to pick them up, and no thats not possible we kill all guards but none of us can pick up the scrolls.
Weird we think, so now we go back to take out the last imperial keep to make a Ebonheart emporer, a guy who was only in here to become emporer.
No matter he became emporer, 2 hours later still about 30 Ebonheart players on the map, but wupti 150 Covenant level 40+ troops suddenly appears take over the entire map makes a blue emporer and wupti they are gone as fast as they came.
In which way is guesting like this fair? we have alot of lvl 10-15 players and they cant stand a chance against those lvl 40 players, their skills just arent good enough and they are to young in PVP to really know what its all about.
But my guess that most of these new young players have left pvp for good, coz it was kind a scary to see what just happend in here.

Anyway hope you will fix the bugs that send the scrolls back home not to be stolen by red players, but yes by blue players, they for some reason can surely bring them back to their place, ohh and when we then starts shooting at the keep where they are kept, they can just pick them up and move them to another keep, this i find weird coz, that I have never been able to do, when a scroll is placed in a castle the scroll is locked, untill a mean enemy comes by to pick it up, but no not here, blue can just pick them up and move them to another keep. Wonder what skills makes that possible.

// Micanet / Llamae Ding *** / Lucifer the Dane / Big Bad Bent / Sneaky Lycan / Miauw Wao and more to come.

are you kidding me????? so the last 3 weeks of hard work was a waste, all because some DC players decided to wait for EP to get off, then cap the keeps? that's pathetic. I had no idea DC was that weak.

This is one of the reasons why the guesting system needs to be changed. heck, not even that. im pretty sure those players just used the "travel to player" option, to get there.

Well, guess its back to square 1.... all because some Dc players did not want an actual fight.

pathetic.

This would all change if ESO got rid of the guesting system. The campaign you pick is the campaign you have to play. You could change campaigns once every 7 days.

Na or EU? NA map looks normal to me.

Yeah it would have to be EU, NA has always been a real war, round the clock. Small scale, but other than that one time EP dominated the entire map (sorry, my fault, literally), its always been even steven or just slightly lopsided when one faction or another has had an active emp.

Hello,

this EU non-vet did have some quite good fights the past two (?) weeks with 20-40 more or less each for EP and DC.

AD got stomped after their success with emporship a few weeks before that.
But actually with AD in emporership and being able to ward of EP and DC we actually did have an even better campaign, because it was good three-sided battle with keeps for each alliance.

Then the emporer leveled out.. And DC and EP took it too far taking their revenge. No enemies, no game, no fun for anyone. So it become a two sided campaign.

But back to the past 2 weeks of fighting of EP and DC for single keeps. That was still mostly even fighting for these two alliances.

As far as I see it, there was a night flip (3 am or 5 am) early this week by EP, all scrolls gone (or apparently nobody with DC bothered to fix broken walls; I think there had been some yelling in DC, too many AP famers, too few caring for the objective and keeping/fixing keeps).

Of course this night flip or raid was not great for those in the DC alliance who had fought hard for the campaign.

Now to hear that DC had grown to 150+ that is sad.

One can only hope (pray, sell ones soul maybe) that ZOS finally grasps, that players as a group resort to any kind of meta gaming, which is not forbidden and gives advantages; or even just use a momentary advantage to have fun with it, or take revenge (see trashing of AD after their emporer leveled out).. just because we can, and because it is (cheap) fun for a short time.

They have to saveguard rest times for servers by time zone.
They have to enforce non-loopsided numbers for alliances.
And a lot of other things (plenty of thread on this forum).
etc.

Regards,
Sestar

The simple fact is 150 blues came for the sole purpose of crowning a blue Emperor and decided to take the whole map in the process, then left when mission was accomplished. This is not friendly powerful alliance my friend. Glad you enjoy your alliance, its quite friendly on our side too. Anyway what's done is done, no good crying over spilled milk or should I say squashed tomato. I'de like to put this sad affair behind me and move on, no raging on our side just disappointment for all the effort and hard work and the loss of players.

Cuddlecalf (cute name btw )

You have a right to your opinion and I respect that very much. Blue have won the last 3 campaigns, they where and still are doing fine. I remember one day the pact decided they wanted to help yellow take blue keep, but it somehow did not work out, too many random's attacking you and not listening, sorry about that. The pact often discussed on many occasions a way to help yellow back on the map and maybe gain some players.

I think the discussion is about what happened that night and the problem with that, because it is a problem.

I just felt you where rubbing salt into wounds, and I just want to move on. Don't hate us we are not that bad

These server-hop tactics, along with all the exploits, just ensure less and less people PVP, which means ZOS invests less and less in improving PVP.

Agree completely!

EP? I think you might be trolling.

No Trolling involved, just discussing what happened on Blackwater Blade EU
2 nights ago.

I'm sorry to see NA has the same problem too Insightful post AlienDiplomat non-the-less.

If you look at the current Blue emperor name, and wonder were the 150+ DC came from, remember Scourge, prolly same big guild that camped emperor there with overwhelming numbers

Heh, I remember when we crowned the emperor.

There weren't 150 blues during crowning, probably around 40-50 max across the whole campaign map who all congregated in Alessia to cap the last keep against a handful of yellows and no reds.

There were hardly any online when we strolled in and took the scrolls, but those guards are a pain.

Btw, I'll be back leading a group every Thursday in EU for DC if anyone is looking for a bit of group vs group action.

sgrimsbyb16_ESO wrote: »

Nice thread, sorry to tear up old wounds by necroing it. This is my own view of what happened.

My in-game name is wooh, been playing DC side on BBeu since AD lost their lead some weeks back. During these weeks red&blue were evenly matched. Most fights took place between ales and chalman.

Then bam! reds changed their tactics. Ignoring ales you instead took out near all our resources, leaving us paralyzed and without any good plan/teamwork for stopping you. Yes there were a few nighcaps done by reds in this period too, but nothing drastic. Just annoying. It seemed to us that reds had twice our numbers and many blues gave up. You beat us with good tactics and (assumingly) leadership (attacking many places at once to distract us while your main force avoided direct fights and instead focused on cutting off our quicktravel). Eventually you had it all. I was impressed!

But what happened during the next 1-2 days felt nothing short of a miracle to us. We met no resistance. It was as if 80% of reds just took a long break after victory. Blues wanted revenge, and we went for it. As far as i recall we had almost two full groups at the most at this time. That's less than 50 people. But more than enough when there's no resistance. Where you get your 150 from i have no idea. Really, I felt our numbers were around the same we'd had during last couple of weeks.

In the aftermath blues took everything, and when we started ganking the few reds left at their gate I decided this was bad sport and rerolled to AD to help out that front.

Right now on an average evening online players are like this (pulled out of my arse, but kinda accurate): EP: 60% DC: 25% AD:15%. We had a whooping 14 AD on yesterday at the same time. Felt like a new record haha.

-wooh

Any chance you know if these figures have been stable these times? Intending to roll an alt for bb and would like to join an alliance which is low on manpower.

EP pathetic nuubs own map now only because they nightcapped keeps, which they can not take during day, even when having 10 times more people then DC. Farmed them like lemmings at Arius for 3 days in row, what happen next? Nightcap.

Same with Aleswel few days later. And just last night with Glademist, they wiped there million times, gave up, then came back after 2 am to to take keep with no defense.

Just today we hold Rayles with 3 people against 15+ rednuubs...Guess what will happen tonight...

But after all, its EP so what to expect? Fair play? Brains? If they can not exploit game mechanics, they will just PvD at night, proving how ''great'' warriors they are, and still complaining about DC with large numbers. Hypocrisy at its best.

Thx all red lemmings for easy AP, by all means please dont stop, love farming you .