Vamps are only OP against players who choose not to skill for the encounter. Realistically, this thread should be titled "Vamps are OP versus current cookie cutter builds".

Sure, Vamp is quite often part of the cookie cutter builds. But I've encountered many a player that has a build that schools me when I'm playing a Vamp toon.

Want to kill Vamps? Grab the skills to do it.

Vunter wrote: »

Oh my.
Now in the forum this is a common knowledge, right?

Please, don't listen too much to the forum. Play the game. If you want to say what's OP and what's not, be careful to what surrounds you in the game.
Are vamps OP? Or is it that people doesn't move when bat swarm is used so they can get ultimate points and use that ability again?
Are DKs OP? Or maybe is OP the ability to cast instant spells while blocking, without receiving any kind of damage penalty, making tanks able to DPS like, well, damage dealers. But they're invicible. So invicible damage dealers (again, thanks to the weapon and the shield, not the stupid class).
Is streak OP? Or is it just.. Well let's stop this dung here.
Streak. Seriously. Who came with this idea?

Take a look at Cyrodiil. Don't know about other campaign, but come to Haderus (EU). You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.

The thing i see wrong with vamps is the bats graphic ... last night getting hit by 3 bats at once and you cant tell how many nor if its friendly...

Dunno. It's actually easier for me to kill most vamps because I exploit their weaknesses.

Except in the case of a few stronger player/builds that happen to maximize vamp abilities and those are very near impossible to kill.

Soliss wrote: »

Dunno. It's actually easier for me to kill most vamps because I exploit their weaknesses.

Except in the case of a few stronger player/builds that happen to maximize vamp abilities and those are very near impossible to kill.

The patch will be addressing some things that will bring some tactics down a couple notches. It should be interesting to see the results. Let's not jump to conclusions until this fix though. In the meantime, put Dawnbreaker and shards on your bar if Vampires are the only ones giving you trouble, as this poster is most likely doing, and watch as your abilities tear a vamp to shreds.

I have recently become a vampire on my templar because our ultimates are kind of garbage for PvP. I can honestly tell you, if you don't exploit the bugs, it has truly brought my templar up to where it should be without being a vampire, but it has not made him a wrecking ball. On my sorc, well, I played just as well without being a vamp.

Play a vampire once and don't exploit anything. You will soon see that this becomes a "Everyone else is OP except for me" kind of scenario. People just refuse to set up their bars correctly or learn to fight a vampire.

Vunter wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

Everyone can block and use instant cast spells at the same time. This is a normal mechanic, learn to use it or stop complaining.

You can do that only if you are a mage that uses only magicka skills (so all your stamina goes for blocking). And good instant skills aren't in every skill tree you know. So actually you see only people with staves and sword and shield doing this crap, don't you?

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. First it was only mages, then it was only people using staves, and sword and shields. BTW, I can do it on my NB using his class skills as well, so your argument is invalid

Troponin wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

Everyone can block and use instant cast spells at the same time. This is a normal mechanic, learn to use it or stop complaining.

You can do that only if you are a mage that uses only magicka skills (so all your stamina goes for blocking). And good instant skills aren't in every skill tree you know. So actually you see only people with staves and sword and shield doing this crap, don't you?

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. First it was only mages, then it was only people using staves, and sword and shields. BTW, I can do it on my NB using his class skills as well, so your argument is invalid

Oh come on. Are you serious?
Re-read my comment.
"You can do that only if you are a mage that uses only magicka skills" correlated to " only people with staves and sword and shield doing this" means that mages with staves or sword and shield (guess what, if you use only invasion and 4 class skills with a light armor you're more a mage than a warrior) are the ones that use it. Oh BTW, class skills = spells.
But anyway, since you use this mechanic (can't blame you, it's ZOS that made this stupid design choice that let people play easy mode), it's obvious you defend it blindly.

So what you are saying is nerf everything down to your own, medicore, player level? But you see, that won't work, because the best players will still fully maximise the skills and mechanics they are given, while the not so good players will be even weaker still.

There are still some tweaks to be made, sure, but this game is getting quite balanced now. Rather than moaning about everything on this forum, it is really time to start learning from your mistakes. Do you die often? Look at your death recap, think about how you can counter the things you are dying to. Watch other players in your class and how they play, particularly those you belive are "OP". How are they playing? How are they utilising their skills and synergising with those around them.

Another thing to consider when PvPing is to choose your fights carefully. Dying means nothing particularly in this game, but if it annoys you that much evaluate your targets - what class(es) are they playing? Weigh the odds. If you don't think you can win then don't fight, die and come crying to these forums.

The QQ here is tiresome. It's tiresome for those of us who would like to utilise the forums for genuine discussion and I expect it is also tiresome for the people who work on this game day in, day out and dedicate their time to trying to make it fun for us. All the community managers see all day is moan, moan, moan, QQ, nerf this, nerf that. I'm surprised they have managed to maintain their sanity.

Garion wrote: »

So what you are saying is nerf everything down to your own, medicore, player level? But you see, that won't work, because the best players will still fully maximise the skills and mechanics they are given, while the not so good players will be even weaker still.

There are still some tweaks to be made, sure, but this game is getting quite balanced now. Rather than moaning about everything on this forum, it is really time to start learning from your mistakes. Do you die often? Look at your death recap, think about how you can counter the things you are dying to. Watch other players in your class and how they play, particularly those you belive are "OP". How are they playing? How are they utilising their skills and synergising with those around them.

Another thing to consider when PvPing is to choose your fights carefully. Dying means nothing particularly in this game, but if it annoys you that much evaluate your targets - what class(es) are they playing? Weigh the odds. If you don't think you can win then don't fight, die and come crying to these forums.

The QQ here is tiresome. It's tiresome for those of us who would like to utilise the forums for genuine discussion and I expect it is also tiresome for the people who work on this game day in, day out and dedicate their time to trying to make it fun for us. All the community managers see all day is moan, moan, moan, QQ, nerf this, nerf that. I'm surprised they have managed to maintain their sanity.

Actually in my thread I said that it's OP the ability to cast while blocking without receiving any kind of damage penalty. And you say I want them to nerf ALL?

Vunter wrote: »

Actually in my thread I said that it's OP the ability to cast while blocking without receiving any kind of damage penalty. And you say I want them to nerf ALL?

You mention DKs and blocking, you mention staves, shields, you mention streak. The blocking thing is an intended game mechanic. L2P with it and around it.

TheBull wrote: »

Batswarm is OP. It's designed too good. It can turn crap builds into Cyrodiil lawn mowers and Craglorn farmers.

This is not true. To make bat swarm Op you need to sacrifice something else and you also have to find the right setup for it. It was never an instant win ulti...

Hi, I'm a Vampire, I ditched my swarm in favor of Take Flight for now.

I do really love the survivability granted by mistform still.
Pity that the drain is utterly useless junk in PVP, really tried to make it work.


As far as Vampires rocking it, sure, 10% stamina/magicka regen is simply sexy. And the damage reduction is a very nifty gift too. If you ignore the fact that it only kicks in for a decent amount till your within execute range of abilities. (below 25%) Till that time a few fightersguild passives allow everyone and their mothers to add another 9% raw damage on everything..

Everything including the extra fire damage we take, and that is happily ignoring the fact that the fightersguild has a couple of sickingly effective tricks up their sleeve that simply butcher Vampires.

the Vampire skill line offers far more then the batswarm, trust me. But it also brings a *** of weaknesses with it.

Bat Swarm is all I still use at vet levels and it was so ineffective in PVP i may remove it. i have the healing morph of bat swarm, not the one that make one semi invisible .... Mist Form and Drain are Ok but they are never on my bar, because i have much better skills to use. When i used duel weld, drain did synergism well with stam stuff because drain also replenishes stamina. At vet levels the damage is too low with drain and the health recover'd is less than other skills.

Sneak speed increases are convenient, but to offset it i need to feed every two hours which is inconvenient. I stay at low stages for good health regineration because i never or rarely use a vamp ability so minor cost reductions (7%/stage) dont matter to me.

Anyway i cant see vampires as over power'd i have both sorc vamp & non sorc vamp. I have nightblades in both flavors but i dont play them enough too comment.