Zubba wrote: »

Risk versus Reward. What you

Katinas wrote: »

killerintheline9 wrote: »

He seriously writes forum post because he died on war zone? Yes i will kill you if i see you on Cyrodiil. What makes you think, that you are less than enemy than others?

Read again mista. I'm not asking for advice on 1v1 battle or something. And I don't think I'm less an enemy. I just want to know if there's some communication between alliances or anything like that to let the other guys know that I'm not interested in fighting you.

If someone is willing to let you pass on questing in piece, fine with me. However you are there in a war, risk vs reward, and killing you also gives XP/VP/AP.

"risk vs reward, and killing you also gives XP/VP/AP."

And that is why i kill you, you are that shiny penny. Sir, @Katinas i did read your post. Don't give me that you were only seeking "unwritten" rules. You knew that there no such thing.

What you really wanted is Whine, so people in here actually take a look at your post. And you were hoping to get supported by others, from people who think like you. Yes there is ppl like you. But they understand that ambush, is part of war. And you can get XP/VP/AP from it. There is no rules on war. And most importantly, others are smart enough to understand this.And they won't make forum post about stupid thing like this. This game is amazing and beautiful, Yes im sick of you kind of people who wont take most of it. You say you are asking. I see Tamriel hero on a game world, there is rules on world. And this hero tries to beat the rule number one.

1.How to be victorious: Defend/attack or wave white flag,when you are close strike as hard as you can. Win the battle or die trying.

2. Have fun with idea " i can do what ever i want on war zone, no one cares" :
*SLAP* wake up! You get yourself killed, over and over again. That's no fun.

3. There is always "alternative ways" to make profit on war. It is naive to think "not everyone want this profit and gain. And if they do, i get it free"
Every single one is looking profit on war, and you have to fight for it.

serenenightmare wrote: »

Just have to realize its a war zone at all times. I generally private message the people I kill when they are questioning, apologizing. Most are pretty cool about it and don't hold a grudge.

I actually thought it was exciting when I was a lower veteran level questing in cry-o-diil, but that's just me personally. You may not beat them, just put up a good fight.

now that's the spirit!

Why OP thinks that questing in Cyrodiil supposed to be easy? Those quests are easy and only difficulty is chance to get ganked. For gankers it's easy way to get AP and delay progress of enemy players leveling and skill rising.

Yes those gankers are f...ing annoying, but they are part of Cyrodiil experience.

If you want to successfully quest there:
-sneak a lot
-try to find group/guild who same interests in Cyrodiil as you do
-ask for help in zone/guild if you can't handle gankers
-change town to quest, there won't be organized ganking group in every town
-come back later

Pve naked in pvp zones. That is the international signal for I'm not here to do you harm.

serenenightmare wrote: »

Just have to realize its a war zone at all times. I generally private message the people I kill when they are questioning, apologizing. Most are pretty cool about it and don't hold a grudge.

I actually thought it was exciting when I was a lower veteran level questing in cry-o-diil, but that's just me personally. You may not beat them, just put up a good fight.

Hum , sounds like a waste of time. If you are not going to win , then you are just losing time by fighting the guy.

Usually i just let them kill me and go back to questing. If i notice that there are others in a dungeon , i go stealth and try to find them , once i do , i wait for them to start fighting a boss or something similar that that actually put some dmg on them.

Then i atk and kill them while they are weakned instead of wasting time trying to fight them on a fair fight. Usually works , just burst them down fast. If there are 2/3 players and i dont think i can win, then i just atk them so they kill me and i can go to another spot faster.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Hum , sounds like a waste of time. If you are not going to win , then you are just losing time by fighting the guy.

Actually, everytime you lose a fight, you learn a lesson. Or you just keep losing fights.

For a PvE player the lesson is close to pointless.

The OP is not there to learn how to beat other players , he is there to do quests/achivs.

So the actual lesson to him is to learn how to more effectively do so.

that being said , i never put any effort in learning this myself , like i said , i only fight when i know the enemy is in such a worst position i can beat him. I have no interest in fighting actual fair fights with PvP players , the more unfair and easy it is to my side so i can just keep going , the better.

Unwilling victims are the PvPer's favorite prey; tears of rage and frustration are the elixir of life to them.

serenenightmare wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

Comet201 wrote: »

A for effort for trying to avoid pvp in cyrodiil, what faction are ya?

I am in DC and I entered the 7 day campaign.

If you are DC go to Bow of Shadows and do your quests there, otherwise welcome to cyrodiil! Where no one is safe!

Chillrend EU is a very safe bet for DC as well. Everything is blue apart from the grass.

Erlindur wrote: »

I have a question about this topic but I have no available alt to check it.

If someone goes to Cyrodiil for the first time and completely ignores the tutorial, he has no rank. Does that mean that he has no blue/red/yellow icon next to his name? And most importantly, does someone with no rank give AP when killed?

Level decides AP. You still have a "Citizen" rank upon entering cyrodiil.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hum , sounds like a waste of time. If you are not going to win, then you are just losing time by fighting the guy.

That sounds... sorry to say, but a bit sad. Do you apply this to your daily life as well?

"I know I'm going to lose/woe is me/***-hum/just kill me already."

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Actually, everytime you lose a fight, you learn a lesson. Or you just keep losing fights.

This. ^

Some time ago I decided to try some new combinations of evasive moves on a frost troll. Picked up a seemingly deserted of enemy players place and started it. When I was about 1/2 health bar (mind you I didn't want to kill it fast, I wanted to test something), I started to receive attacks that I realized a split second too late that were not from that troll. I was being trolled by someone else. Yeah, some more hits and I was at the nearest re-spawn point. Too bad for me. The bad choice was mine, I made it.

The players who placed their sieges away from their main groups and had no one covering their butts also made bad choices - and I sent them on their way to the next re-spawn point. And unless you are the bait and have cloaked friends nearby, do not stand outside cheking your gear, mail, stats, etc. You are making yourself as an easy target. On the other hand, "lone wolfs" must be carefull with such easy targets, for there are no such things as free lunches.

This put, the last times I quested at Cyrodill ("talk to someone somewhere" and "scout something") was rather fun because of the gankers. I had to hide from them without having any stealth skills. Took me quite a while, hiding from them and enemy NPCs behing buildings, rocks, trees and planning and timing my advances. Eventually I made it and was rather happy. Without the gankers it would have been very boring. Gankers can make these quests interesting. Pick a reccon mission at a map dominated by someone alliance other than yours; it'll be much more challenging and fun than at one where your faction rules it all. The only drawback will be the long rides if (when) you die. But you are not going to ride your white horse again through the area you know a gank squad is, right?

There are no "unwritten" rules. I sometimes go ( not on purpose) to the quest cities because they are on my path. sometimes i go there to loot chests because some cities there have lots of chests and closets for mats.

If i see a player there, yes i will likely attack. Not because it is war, but because it is a PvP area and i can. Sometimes i loose, sometimes i get a kill.

Same with the delves. I come in and sometimes see another player fight monsters. I backstab him. sometimes i die and i have to walk the entire way back, but sometimes i get the kill and i have to watch my back for other players.

Cyrodill is designed for PvP. People who don't like PvP should not come and go do quests in Craglorn. there is a chance you might get murdered.

I don't like PvE groupquests, so i don't go to Craglorn. Only for the skyshards, but knowing i will die a few times because it is for a group.

And if people say "I wanna Cyrodill PvE area", then i want Craglorn solo PvE area

Only tip for (trying) to do PvE quests in Cyrodill is

-sneak
-have a group going

But beware... you are not the only one questing there. And some PvE'ers who come there just to quest might attack you also just for the heck of it.

Also, you could look at other players as NPC's with good AI.

Erlindur wrote: »

I'm just looking for a possible solution to the problem. There is a problem, even though lots of people here refuse to acknowledge it. We want people playing and enjoying pvp. Luring casual PvE people in Cyrodiil is a good thing. As it is now, they will come for quests and the other PvE stuff. If they get ganged repeatedly, they will simply hate it and never come back. So, lets just give them some time to familiarize with the setting and maybe try PvP on their own pace.
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The problem is that PvE players expect PvP players and systems to cater to their wishes; treat PvP players as being disrespectful (sometimes even as being sociopathic); and feel entitlement while in PvP playzones.
Cyrodiil is a PvP map. I cannot show up there and chastise people for playing PvP; they are playing the way they are supposed to be playing in that zone.
This is particularly true in a game that does not allow overworld PvP, and requires PvPers to already sequester themselves to a single map.

Having PvE players able to avoid PvP but still receive the Cyrodiil achievements will not encourage them to PvP; they will simply abstain from PvP and either never come back after getting achievements or start spamming Cyrodiil for no-risk Exps.

Encouraging players to avoid PvP will not encourage them to PvP.

At least with enemy players ganking them, they might get tired of dying and start fighting back instead.
I know that is how I started PvPing in my first MMO. It took a lot of practice before I was good enough to kill other players, but that transition into a willingness to fight was something I needed.

Prior to that, I demonized PvPers; acted as though being a PvE player somehow made me more considerate to the needs of others; and treated getting PK'd as some form of harassment, rather than admitting to myself that it's just players having fun in the manner that the zone they are playing in is programmed for.
I was playing in a system where I was classed as someone for the other players to play with; complaining about those players and expecting the whole system to accommodate me was short-sighted and egotistical of me.

Once I was able to get over myself, I was able to let go and start enjoying myself. This exposed me to an enjoyable new playstyle, and my gaming experience has been better for it. I used to PvP in pen and paper RPGs then learned how to transition it to MMOs.

Now, honestly and wholeheartedly, I consider Cyrodiil to be the one place in game where I can get an authentic Elder Scrolls experience.
The unpredictable nature of when and where I will meet someone to fight; how that character will react and fight; the playstyles and mannerisms they express. All this adds up to provide something I have come to expect from the Elder Scrolls which has not been executed effectively in any of the PvE in this game. Random encounters.