If it's not intended, it's not intended and that's fine. I do think they should increase the magicka cost though. I think it is unfair to have them absorb the cost of each spell + spend magicka to cast the reflect in the first place, but I don't think it is a spell that should be so easily spammable. Maybe increase the cost in the same way they did with Bolt Escape.

Bad poll. This isn't about balance, this is about a skill that is not working as intended.
Quote from Gina, for reference:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We are literally just fixing two things that were broken: magicka will no longer be drained, and reflected projectiles will now do damage like they're supposed to.

Erock25 wrote: »

MorHawk wrote: »

Bad poll. This isn't about balance, this is about a skill that is not working as intended.
Quote from Gina, for reference:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We are literally just fixing two things that were broken: magicka will no longer be drained, and reflected projectiles will now do damage like they're supposed to.

The poll is related to the general power of DKs. If a skill has been behaving in a certain way since the game released, and everyone considered the class to be balanced overall in PVP with frequent use of that skill, it is assumed the changing that skill to be more powerful would shift the balance of power.

This isn't about balance at all. It's about inconsistency. Most of the time, reflective scales works correctly. Occasionally, it'll instantly drain your magicka or stamina or both.

How would you like it if streak drained your magicka randomly based on targets hit? Or if blazing shield would randomly instantly take all your magicka based on what attacks hit you? Or cloak randomly took all your magicka based on how many dots were removed?

You'd still use those skills, but you'd be annoyed everytime you insta died from the bug.

I dislike DKs and acknowledge their OPness as much as any other guy (even though I have one vet DK alt) but I prefer them fix unintended features as opposed to changing tooltips to match the bugs like they do with NBs.

I do think DKs are OP but all bugged abilities should be fixed. Leaving abilities bugged is not a good strategy for balancing the game.

hopefully, we don't have players endlessly casting it like they used to with the syrabane(how ever its spelled) set. if that crap starts happening again, Then it may need a major tweak.

If you walk around with only projectiles as your form of DPS and you run into a DK using reflect.

Welcome to the world of Rock<Paper<Scissors

I'm pretty sure if your group sees a reflect DK and they all cast a non projectile at him he will drop like a fly.

To be honest with you, I sort of just thought that they nerfed reflective scales. With my current set up I can almost keep it up most of the fight even against a fairly large group so this change will just make it easier for light armor users.

This however will make it viable for DKs who use medium or heavy to actually use this skill from time to time and not instantly drop to 0 magicka.


Also, keep in mind. DK's only have 1 DPS ability that is 15 meters (morph of stone fist). We aren't counting that chain because it is really unreliable and rarely useful.
So the only way we can really defend or stand a chance against people kiting us or mowing us down from long range is reflective scales.

Yes I know there are weapon abilities such as staff or bow, but you can't force a class to choose ranged weapons to be efficient.

That being said, with this new fix coming in. I wouldn't mind if they gave reflective scales the Bolt Escape treatment.

Reflective Scales is totally overpowered and shall get a buff? Zenimax is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculous ...

Reflective Scales need a CD of 10 sec and a higher Magicka cost. IT DOES NOT A BUFF!

I'm glad they fixed it..but in the process they better be fixing the mage's wrath explosion being reflected bug too.

Let's not forget.

Anything shot from sneak will not be reflected (I'm sure this is a bug) but that's another counter to reflective scales.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Let's not forget.

Anything shot from sneak will not be reflected (I'm sure this is a bug) but that's another counter to reflective scales.

Really? Must be a bug or something cause that never happened to me. Well I don't say scales are OP but scales is a problem cause it's one of those skills were if you nerf it the skill becomes useless but were you buff it the skill will become OP like bat swarm. Like the most buff i see were it still be fair is to make it last 5 or 6 seconds and the most nerf i can see without it being useless is to bring down reflect damage to 25% or 20% instead of 35% reflect damage boost.

Yeah you can't reflect ANYTHING shot from sneak. If a sorc is hidden while he/she casts their fragments it will hit you. Same applies to all other projectiles such as snipe and any projectiles shot from sneak.

I can't believe the utter retardedness of some people on these forums. It's absolutely laughable.

Scales has been utterly broken for 4 months now. Bow attacks not being reflected, reflected attacks not doing the damage they should, and both stamina and magicka getting drained depending on the type of projectile fired.

Scales only reflects PROJECTILES. You have 10 different abilties and 2 Ultimates that you can use and if all those 12 abilities are PROJECTILES, then you are doing something wrong.

It's just simple L2P issues and after 6 months, and nerf after nerf, people still cry about DKs. Hilarious.

The skill is BROKEN. And it gets FIXED. It doesn't buffed, it gets fixed.

ThyIronFist wrote: »

I can't believe the utter retardedness of some people on these forums. It's absolutely laughable.

Scales has been utterly broken for 4 months now. Bow attacks not being reflected, reflected attacks not doing the damage they should, and both stamina and magicka getting drained depending on the type of projectile fired.

Scales only reflects PROJECTILES. You have 10 different abilties and 2 Ultimates that you can use and if all those 12 abilities are PROJECTILES, then you are doing something wrong.

It's just simple L2P issues and after 6 months, and nerf after nerf, people still cry about DKs. Hilarious.

The skill is BROKEN. And it gets FIXED. It doesn't buffed, it gets fixed.

Sorcs don't have many options considering the majority of our damage are projectiles and one of the only 2 spells that isn't a projectile is bugged so that it is treated as a projectile.

Bipolo wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs don't have many options considering the majority of our damage are projectiles and one of the only 2 spells that isn't a projectile is bugged so that it is treated as a projectile.

Sorc's don't need projectiles, lol Common

First of all, any class with light armour can get this, stop saying "sorc vamp" or "DK vamp", it is a skill available to ALL classes (world skills) like the weapons.

A templar vamp, NB vamp, DK vamp can do just that as well.

Secondly, DKs got 6+ nerfs and this is still around, draining 200+ health from each enemy each second for 6 seconds (no limit to enemies being effected). So nerf talons and heals for max 6 players, nerf inhale for 3 enemies max but keep this super high drain open and unlimited? makes no sense to me.