Gillysan wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I couldn't state that there is any "Best Five" when it comes to trading guilds. All you really need concern yourself with is that they actively get ANY guild trader kiosk. Many players seem to think that there are premium kiosks, but realistically, every kiosk is good. The trading guilds that I am in, have had major city kiosks and sales were decent. But a couple of times we've been stuck with what everybody would consider a crappy location, and our sales were 2 steps above awesome.

That being said... Any trading guild that requires a monetary donation should be avoided. That's the whole point of the guild cut in your sales, since you're already contributing.

This is completely wrong. Look it up. "Guild cut" is a tax, ZOS just worded it that way to be RPish. The guild you are in does not see this money at all!
In other words - a gold sink.

The only way player guilds can get money from members is if the member donates it in the guild bank, just like leaving money in your personal bank to transfer to another character.

Nope. That is no longer the case.

That may have been true before the public guild traders, but once the Bidding system went in to play, the guilds receive their share of the guild cut. Join any trading guild, and watch as the guild bank gradually increases gold without anybody making any deposits.

That's the whole point of the Bidding system. Guilds need to balance their bids to be commensurate with how much gold is coming in from sales.

dennischen07b16_ESO wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm genuinely curious as to why a trading guild would expect a payment from new members. Is anyone here in such a guild, or perhaps runs such a guild? Could you shed some light on it?

I've never seen such a guild recruiting in-game, just heard of them second-hand. Is that even a real thing?

Also, if you're looking for a pleasant trading guild without an entry fee, consider The Wandering Merchants. Free traited items for members, give-and-take bank policy, and we regularly get Sintilfalion in Daggerfall for our kiosk. So long as you don't post silly prices, you'll sell.

Some top trade guilds ask/demand donations from its members inorder to win bids on Guild Traders located in popular spots, such as Rawl'kha. One of my trading guilds asks 2.5k -5k donations from its members weekly for a spot in Rawl'kha, due to it being the best spot in the game with the highest traffic of people, the bidding price often goes very high.

I was referring specifically to a joining fee, not regular donations for kiosk payments.

KariTR wrote: »

Ridiculous isn't it? Sure you can leave notes but even that is more trouble than some players want to go to. Especially in a game where the guild design is not the exclusive experience it is in other MMOs.

Guilds in ESO, particularly trade guilds, are extensions of the NPC versions we see in TES. You won't get kicked from the Fighter's Guild because you haven't completed that task they sent you to do over 7 days ago, or from the Undaunted because you haven't bought a round of drinks; I think some player guild leaders could learn a thing or two from the NPC guild leaders.

The reason for the kicks is because so many people get fed up and leave this game. The more inactives you have in the guild, the fewer guildies online to trade with each other.

The 7-10 days inactive kick rule is absurd. That's why in mine I wait at least 1 month before I kick inactive.

Ourorboros wrote: »

SaiJinu wrote: »
I dont have any gear ..i got just some green / blue tiems adn all i take form mobs i sell to vendors because i cant see prices or what is the demand because we dont have a global AH..

There are several addons that can give ideas about items prices, and multiple ways of checking demand. @Moonglum83 called you OP. Time to show your cards or fold.

You recommend any, would be interesting, i'm after average selling prices as lots of stuff is idiotically overpriced.

I think something that's important to note is that there can be different types of trade guilds. Not every guild operates in the same way or caters to the same types of players. I'm the GM of a 490+ member trade guild. We don't have any membership fees or dues, though we do run an optional buy in draw weekly that does help earn funds for our kiosk bids.

That being said, I do understand that more hardcore trading guilds are out there and looking to attract players that don't mind paying weekly in order to secure the best locations. These guilds are not meant for everyone. It's not a "bad thing" that they charge weekly dues to be a part of the guild. It's just that for the type of guild they are and the amount that needs to be spent on their kiosk bid, they need more income than the sales tax provides. They are not necessarily evil or shady guilds because of this. They made a choice. Either they can move to a kiosk with a lower cost or stay in Rawl'kha and request an investment from their players.

The key is knowing this ahead of time. Nobody wants to be ambushed with hidden fees after they join, but if it's clearly stated up front, I don't see an issue with it at all.