Just want to quest, how to let hyperactive PVPers know that and leave me alone?

Katinas · September 2014

So I'm trying to get the Cyrodiil city quest achievements, doing ten quests in each city in Cyrodiil. I couldn't care any less about PVP in this or any other game. I came across other players from opposing alliances and some of them saw me questing and I've seen them questing. The awkward moment when you spot an "enemy", pause for a while and go doing your business and let him do his hoping he feels the same way too. But I've also came into some childish PVPers who simply sneak around the quest giving NPC's locations forever and gank me and other players whenever they approach.
How to deal with situations like that? Please don't give me "this is war; don't come to Cyrodiil if you hate PVP; don't expect your enemies not to kill you" - leave it to yourself, I don't need this. I simply want to know if there's some unwritten rule or some form of etiquette that I should follow to let people from other factions know that "Hi! I'm questing here and I will not fight you. Will you please let me mind my own business?". I tried setting my title to Pact Hero as well as did a /beg emote and still the stupid ganker persisted and killed me when I wanted to turn in a quest.

Sakyo · September 2014

This is a pvp zone, ganking comes with the territory. If you don't like it then stay out of the zone.

Comet201 · September 2014

A for effort for trying to avoid pvp in cyrodiil, what faction are ya? There's some servers which are safer for some factions than others (ie Aldmeri can probably quest on Haderus w/out worrying about other factions being out there)

Other than that, quest in a group, most gankers won't mess with a large enough group, and if you see a ganker try something, use your numbers to quickly dispatch them, most gankers are built for 1v1, so a group with some form of heals can usually out last the ganker

Sharee · September 2014

PvP zones have been designed with PvP in mind. That includes things like better/faster EXP from doing the PvE quests there - you are being rewarded for putting yourself at a greater risk. You just have to accept the bad along with the good - the players killing you just are doing what they are supposed to do.

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

I recommend learning to defend yourself against said gankers. As long as you are in a PvP zone, people will -- and should -- try to kill you.

DontBeAfraid · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

Please don't give me "this is war; don't come to Cyrodiil if you hate PVP; don't expect your enemies not to kill you" - leave it to yourself, I don't need this. .

well, there is nothing else to say but this.
if u want your pve achievements from cyrodiil u gotta fight for them.

Ninnghizhidda · September 2014

Etiquette in a "bitter war zone"? I would very much doubt it. Personally if I was there, I would even feel extremely lucky not to be constantly trampled, spawn camped, "griefed" and all that.

There is no chance for such "peace" in any PvP / PK environment, in any game. Ah, and in such environments / games, a common species encountered is exactly the "persistent ganker", because... well that's what their whole existence is about.

In short: for PvE activities you do need to stick to PvE areas, if you are going to get annoyed by being attacked, either rarely or persistently "ganked". Sorry to say this, but that's that. As for rules, there are no rules (unless you need to consider the ToS fine print).

Katinas · September 2014

Comet201 wrote: »

A for effort for trying to avoid pvp in cyrodiil, what faction are ya?

I am in DC and I entered the 7 day campaign.

murmur · September 2014

You can always try to ask someone on your faction to come help you with those gankers.

atomikrej · September 2014

I don't know any unwritten rule, sorry. I can't even imagine there being one. One thing that might help is using the skill radiant light which reduces enemy sneak damage. A lot of gankers rely on big openers from stealth so this ability should help. Aside from that other peoples comments were good like finding a safe server or doing quests in groups.

serenenightmare · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

Comet201 wrote: »

A for effort for trying to avoid pvp in cyrodiil, what faction are ya?

I am in DC and I entered the 7 day campaign.

If you are DC go to Bow of Shadows and do your quests there, otherwise welcome to cyrodiil! Where no one is safe!

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

He seriously writes forum post because he died on war zone? Yes i will kill you if i see you on Cyrodiil. What makes you think, that you are less than enemy than others?

atomikrej · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

Comet201 wrote: »

A for effort for trying to avoid pvp in cyrodiil, what faction are ya?

I am in DC and I entered the 7 day campaign.

From my understanding that server belongs to AD. You'd probably be better of questing in Chillrend if you're in DC.

Katinas · September 2014

killerintheline9 wrote: »

He seriously writes forum post because he died on war zone? Yes i will kill you if i see you on Cyrodiil. What makes you think, that you are less than enemy than others?

Read again mista. I'm not asking for advice on 1v1 battle or something. And I don't think I'm less an enemy. I just want to know if there's some communication between alliances or anything like that to let the other guys know that I'm not interested in fighting you.

thelordoffelines · September 2014

Learn to sneak and bring a friend. I know you don't wanna hear this is war, but this is war and you should expect the dangers of war. And you can't call them "childish pvpers" that's unfair. When I did the quests in cyrodiil and I saw someone who was also doing quests I would kill them mostly because I was afraid they were going to try to kill me. You can't avoid it. Again sneak and bring a friend ( also mage light/detection potions never heart either).

Sharee · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

killerintheline9 wrote: »

He seriously writes forum post because he died on war zone? Yes i will kill you if i see you on Cyrodiil. What makes you think, that you are less than enemy than others?

Read again mista. I'm not asking for advice on 1v1 battle or something. And I don't think I'm less an enemy. I just want to know if there's some communication between alliances or anything like that to let the other guys know that I'm not interested in fighting you.

Well. Just an hour ago i was questing with a low level alt under dragonclaw when i see a red player. He immediately drops into stealth. I stop, face in his direction, and /wave. Then i go about my business. And so did he.

That being said, if he attacked me, i would have considered it normal and accepted. I would not come to my mind to call him childish just because he did not act according to my wishes.

GwaynLoki · September 2014

There is no way to permanently mark yourself as "peaceful" pve player in the only pvp zone in the game. With this in mind, why should people leave someone alive who might be grabbing a few bonus exp before he proceeds to Impulse spam-Bat-Swarm-zerg-teabag them in the next fight?

Rylana · September 2014

The fact this thread even exists is reason enough to say there is far too much carebear in Cyrodiil.

Skyshards, achievements, dungeons, etc etc... in a PvP zone...

makes about zero sense when you think about it.

But yeah OP, if I see you, youre going to die.

Garion · September 2014

If there was a 'peace' gesture you could use to indicate you were a PvEr in Cyrodiil, it would just make me want to kill you even more. For lulz.

Katinas · September 2014

Rylana wrote: »

But yeah OP, if I see you, youre going to die.

Irrelevant. I would offer no resistance anyway if I'm questing.

Sharee wrote: »

Well. Just an hour ago i was questing with a low level alt under dragonclaw when i see a red player. He immediately drops into stealth. I stop, face in his direction, and /wave. Then i go about my business. And so did he.

Want to group up?

Zadian · September 2014

Rylana wrote: »

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Skyshards, achievements, dungeons, etc etc... in a PvP zone...

makes about zero sense when you think about it.
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Why? There are players who like to pve with the added threat of getting attacked by real enemies (players) and not just boring NPCs. PvE in a PvP area can be fun. Having to constantly think about enemy players makes it more interesting.

The only thing that is annoying is getting attacked while talking to a quest NPC. There should be some way to prevent that or a "replay" option so that the player can reread what the quest is actually about and what the NPC said. I really enjoy reading all the quest conversations.

Katinas · September 2014

^ Same. What if there are people who want to roleplay in Cyrodiil? It's not all about PvP here.

Armitas · September 2014

There are people who want the rewards of PvP but do not want to, or cannot, engage in the challenge of PvP. They from groups with higher numbers than their expected opponents or go to locations where npcs will give them the equivalence of higher numbers. There they will wait in stealth passing up balanced opportunities for imbalanced opportunities. This is what they call ganking. I do not think that you can talk them out of it as many enjoy the distress they cause.

If you see one I would prebuff but not make any offense posture. After a moment passes and you are sure he/she sees you, jump and walk off. If he doesn't engage you should be good. I have seen plenty of questers that I did not want to kill but they would not stop attacking me so I had to kill them. I think it would be better to prepare but not engage and see what happens.

Sharee · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

^ Same. What if there are people who want to roleplay in Cyrodiil? It's not all about PvP here.

Roleplayers especially should not be surprised when they get attacked in a warzone - they are playing the role of an alliance soldier on a battlefield.

(and i cant group, sorry - i have to go afk often and without any warning - the reason why i am doing pve quests instead of pvp in cyrodiil in the firstplace.)

Erlindur · September 2014

Rylana wrote: »

The fact this thread even exists is reason enough to say there is far too much carebear in Cyrodiil.

Skyshards, achievements, dungeons, etc etc... in a PvP zone...

makes about zero sense when you think about it.

It makes perfect sense if you think as a dev. They want to encourage (not force) players to enter Cyrodiil. PvP is more or less the endgame of eso, so they want to lure PvEers there just in case they stick around.

In my opinion, the way they did it was wrong. I did my pve questing in an empty campaign and I hated it. I returned to a full campaign later, out of seer boredom and now I love pvp. The problem I have now, is that I cannot be bothered to do the pve things I have left (dungeons, skyshards) when a lovely siege is going on nearby.

Finally @OP, just change your perspective. Be visible, sheath your weapons and wave. If you both go peacefully on your way, be happy. You've just met a nice person.

murtugo · September 2014

Just choose the campaign dominated by your alliance... that way their will be less gankers from opposing alliances and most of the times you can PVE freely.

bitaken · September 2014

Katinas wrote: »

^ Same. What if there are people who want to roleplay in Cyrodiil? It's not all about PvP here.

You are welcome to do whatever you like in Cyrodil. For most of us that's why we like it so much. I have seen people dueling opposing factions - taking keeps - questing - running the delves - and killed them all. Some of us - we just like to kill people on the internet. That's why we go into Cyrodil. If it's OK for you to have your fun - then it's ok for us to have our fun too.

That's how a FFA zone works. If it's red - it's dead.

Srugzal · September 2014

killerintheline9 wrote: »

He seriously writes forum post because he died on war zone? Yes i will kill you if i see you on Cyrodiil. What makes you think, that you are less than enemy than others?

Even more than that, I've come to understand and appreciate that ganking from stealth while lurking about near NPC quest givers is a legitimate war strategy, whatever else one might want.

Don't go to a PvP area unless you're willing to fight for your life. There is no such thing as a "PvE" area in Cyrodiil. Yes, there are quests, but you have more than mobs to contend with.

Seems to me that would make the quest achievements there even more valuable than elsewhere. Certainly more effort.

The game appears to attract entitled snowflakes who want the game made over to suit their limited notion of fair play. Don't look now, but the weight of practice and opinion is against that view. Cyrodiil is kill or be killed. If you aren't looking for that challenge, don't go. Leave it to others who have the stomach for it.

Erlindur · September 2014

bitaken wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

^ Same. What if there are people who want to roleplay in Cyrodiil? It's not all about PvP here.

You are welcome to do whatever you like in Cyrodil. For most of us that's why we like it so much. I have seen people dueling opposing factions - taking keeps - questing - running the delves - and killed them all. Some of us - we just like to kill people on the internet. That's why we go into Cyrodil. If it's OK for you to have your fun - then it's ok for us to have our fun too.

That's how a FFA zone works. If it's red - it's dead.

Yep, you are welcome to do whatever you want. Earlier, while on my way to a siege, I saw movement in an anchor nearby. I went to check and it was a single red soloing it. Sure, I could wait to snipe him in the worst possible moment and gained some AP. Instead, I went in and helped. In the end we both sheathed, took the chest, waved and went on our way. Probably to kill each other several times in the nearby siege.

What I gained? A big smile in my face. That's all. I guess it has to do with priorities.

Rosveen · September 2014

There is no etiquette. You are an enemy in a war zone, you can and will be killed on sight. It isn't rude or incosiderate, PvPers have every right to PvP in the PvP zone. That's the whole point of Cyrodiil.

I'm a PvE-er myself, I have no intention to start a fight when I go to Cyrodiil. I go in only when I see my faction dominating the map and sneak everywhere anyway. But I don't expect it to be a death-free experience, I'm prepared to handle an enemy one on one. The only reliable safety measure we can take is bringing a friend, but of course it isn't always possible.

Erlindur wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

^ Same. What if there are people who want to roleplay in Cyrodiil? It's not all about PvP here.

You are welcome to do whatever you like in Cyrodil. For most of us that's why we like it so much. I have seen people dueling opposing factions - taking keeps - questing - running the delves - and killed them all. Some of us - we just like to kill people on the internet. That's why we go into Cyrodil. If it's OK for you to have your fun - then it's ok for us to have our fun too.

That's how a FFA zone works. If it's red - it's dead.

Yep, you are welcome to do whatever you want. Earlier, while on my way to a siege, I saw movement in an anchor nearby. I went to check and it was a single red soloing it. Sure, I could wait to snipe him in the worst possible moment and gained some AP. Instead, I went in and helped. In the end we both sheathed, took the chest, waved and went on our way. Probably to kill each other several times in the nearby siege.

What I gained? A big smile in my face. That's all. I guess it has to do with priorities.

Lucky you. I tried it at an anchor once, I met two non-hostile enemies while questing earlier, so I decided to take a chance. Maybe this one will want to work together too? Unfortunately, another red showed up a while later and they teamed up to kill me. Oh well, it's a war zone, *** happens.

Katinas · September 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Even more than that, I've come to understand and appreciate that ganking from stealth while lurking about near NPC quest givers is a legitimate war strategy, whatever else one might want.

You are wrong on so many points. Read the first post, read exactly what I asked:

I simply want to know if there's some unwritten rule or some form of etiquette that I should follow to let people from other factions know that "Hi! I'm questing here and I will not fight you. Will you please let me mind my own business?"

None of what you said is relevant here because you did not answer or provide any helpful information to try to answer that. Others did and I thank them for that.