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Vamps are OP
Vunter
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Oh my.
Now in the forum this is a common knowledge, right?
Please, don't listen too much to the forum. Play the game. If you want to say what's OP and what's not, be careful to what surrounds you in the game.
Are vamps OP? Or is it that people doesn't move when bat swarm is used so they can get ultimate points and use that ability again?
Are DKs OP? Or maybe is OP the ability to cast instant spells while blocking, without receiving any kind of damage penalty, making tanks able to DPS like, well, damage dealers. But they're invicible. So invicible damage dealers (again, thanks to the weapon and the shield, not the stupid class).
Is streak OP? Or is it just.. Well let's stop this dung here.
Streak. Seriously. Who came with this idea?
Take a look at Cyrodiil. Don't know about other campaign, but come to Haderus (EU). You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.
Now in the forum this is a common knowledge, right?
Please, don't listen too much to the forum. Play the game. If you want to say what's OP and what's not, be careful to what surrounds you in the game.
Are vamps OP? Or is it that people doesn't move when bat swarm is used so they can get ultimate points and use that ability again?
Are DKs OP? Or maybe is OP the ability to cast instant spells while blocking, without receiving any kind of damage penalty, making tanks able to DPS like, well, damage dealers. But they're invicible. So invicible damage dealers (again, thanks to the weapon and the shield, not the stupid class).
Is streak OP? Or is it just.. Well let's stop this dung here.
Streak. Seriously. Who came with this idea?
Take a look at Cyrodiil. Don't know about other campaign, but come to Haderus (EU). You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In other news the sky is sometimes bluish.
So most people use most of their class skills and 60% of the weapons skills. Wow
Take a look at Cyrodiil. Don't know about other campaign, but come to Haderus (EU). You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.
Edited by PBpsy on September 9, 2014 8:52PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
Braddass✭✭✭Vamps are OP ... the Sun is hot ... water is wet ...
We all know these things. (Or, at least those of us with an IQ better than a pet rock knows them).Edited by Braddass on September 9, 2014 10:23PM3 -
s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Streak is not OP. It is a Sorc's only "getaway" move. NBs have insta-stealth + speed. DKs don't need anything because they have an insta-heal-to-full-health move, and Templars are stupid (Templars should become Vamps to get mist form).
Shield and sword is OP just because it buffs blocking (which is already really, really strong). You can DPS and still have almost infinite block.
Destro staff has the best single target and best AOE ability in the game. If this were restricted to a single class, people would be complaining a lot more.
DKs are OP because their available skill rotations are way better than any other class.
Vamps by themselves are not OP.Edited by s7732425ub17_ESO on September 9, 2014 10:14PM10 -
Braddass✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Vamps by themselves are not OP.
Which is more powerful, a Human DK or a Vamp DK? ... the Vamp DK.
Which is more powerful, a Human Sorc or a Vamp Sorc? ... the Vamp Sorc.
Which is more powerful, a Human Temp or a Vamp Temp? ... the Vamp Temp.
Which is more powerful, a Human NB or a Vamp NB? ... the Vamp NB.
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Vunter✭✭✭Ok, whatever, I'm not gonna reply to people that use such bitchy tone anymore.
This phrase was pretty clear if you ever played in Cyrodiil, i never said I see one or two classes, I said they use only these weapons. And I said that bow is the least used. So actually, you basically can see sword and shield or staff users, which have definitively some issues that makes playing with these much easier.You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.
At least in the campaign I mentioned.
And if I weren't clear, again, i was saying vamps are not OP and DKs and Streak neither, they were examples of what you people here in forum say since the launch day even if things changed in time. Seriously, if you have problems with bat swarm switch to Hello Kitty Online. And I DON'T use that skill.Edited by Vunter on September 9, 2014 10:41PM3 -
TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Batswarm is OP. It's designed too good. It can turn crap builds into Cyrodiil lawn mowers and Craglorn farmers.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
Killed by Early Bright - Blood Flow - Magicka NB Build
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dcincali✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Vamps by themselves are not OP.
Which is more powerful, a Human DK or a Vamp DK? ... the Vamp DK.
Which is more powerful, a Human Sorc or a Vamp Sorc? ... the Vamp Sorc.
Which is more powerful, a Human Temp or a Vamp Temp? ... the Vamp Temp.
Which is more powerful, a Human NB or a Vamp NB? ... the Vamp NB.
Your opinion doesn't mean it is fact. I've seen some very garbage vampires and I've also seen some very garbage 'humans". Just because you are vamp doesn't mean you have instawin on your bar. L2P7 -
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I've played with vamp and with out, the only reason I currently play with, is that my group leader likes to throw us (usually 12 man) into the zerg of EP and DC and the invis batswarm allows me to rez or catch up on heals with out being a target. As for survivability, we die, we die alot. Vamp doesn't make you godmode. There are counters, learn to use them or stop complaining.
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✭Are vamps OP? Really? Or is it that OP classes are a little more OP when contracting Porphyric Hemophilia?3 -
dcincali✭✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »Are vamps OP? Really? Or is it that OP classes are a little more OP when contracting Porphyric Hemophilia?
Skilled players will always be "OP" to casuals regardless of what they are using/doing.
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NakedSnake✭✭✭Half of this thread didn't even bother to read the OP which is somewhat correct in its assumptions."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"0 -
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✭What do "casuals" have to do with it and what does it mean? "Casual" is an ill defined term used by people who can't otherwise form a cogent argument.Edited by OrangeTheCat on September 9, 2014 11:20PM2 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭A casual is an MMO player who wants everything for nothing. They are defined as MMO players because in any other game that concept would be laughable."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"3
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dcincali✭✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »What do "casuals" have to do with it and what does it mean? "Casual" is an ill defined term used by people who can't otherwise form a cogent argument.
If I dumb it down any further, I would have to provide some windows for licking as well. Sorry you could not get the gist of what I had said.
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Lorgend✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Vamps by themselves are not OP.
Which is more powerful, a Human DK or a Vamp DK? ... the Vamp DK.
Which is more powerful, a Human Sorc or a Vamp Sorc? ... the Vamp Sorc.
Which is more powerful, a Human Temp or a Vamp Temp? ... the Vamp Temp.
Which is more powerful, a Human NB or a Vamp NB? ... the Vamp NB.
bring any of those vamps to a fire staff human dk and guess who wins.^^1 -
Oh my.
Now in the forum this is a common knowledge, right?
Please, don't listen too much to the forum. Play the game. If you want to say what's OP and what's not, be careful to what surrounds you in the game.
Are vamps OP? Or is it that people doesn't move when bat swarm is used so they can get ultimate points and use that ability again?
Are DKs OP? Or maybe is OP the ability to cast instant spells while blocking, without receiving any kind of damage penalty, making tanks able to DPS like, well, damage dealers. But they're invicible. So invicible damage dealers (again, thanks to the weapon and the shield, not the stupid class).
Is streak OP? Or is it just.. Well let's stop this dung here.
Streak. Seriously. Who came with this idea?
Take a look at Cyrodiil. Don't know about other campaign, but come to Haderus (EU). You can see exactly what's going on, there people use only staves, then shields and all the remaining bows. Literally.
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just to much cry babyies who dont know how to play
İ think ZOS absolutly ignored this is idiots
Edited by orxan.qayibovb16_ESO on September 10, 2014 3:53AM0 -
bring me any vampire and i kill him with oneshot, ppl take vampire because server is full of noobs (90%) who cant roll out aoe or take any save skillRidicularded wrote: »Vamps aren't even OP. Even with fire resist, it's still a liability.
i can say it about DK reflect or sorc bolt
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✭✭✭✭I am a proud vamp and I admit that vamp is OP. As a Templar, Bat Swarm is by far the most powerful ultimate that I have access to. As a Templar, it's like casting a slightly weaker, self heal only, mobile version of practiced incantation at the same time as a mobile, slightly weaker Nova at less than 1/2 the ultimate cost of Nova or Practiced Incantation.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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not vamp, temp is same OP with save skill(BS) stun etc and yes vamp give him more ability best pvp char for now but also it has weaknesses. want to know as? great temp vamp and play with him if u have temp u know ittimidobserver wrote: »I am a proud vamp and I admit that vamp is OP. As a Templar, Bat Swarm is by far the most powerful ultimate that I have access to. As a Templar, it's like casting a slightly weaker, self heal only, mobile version of practiced incantation at the same time as a mobile, slightly weaker Nova at less than 1/2 the ultimate cost of Nova or Practiced Incantation.
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✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Vamps by themselves are not OP.
Which is more powerful, a Human DK or a Vamp DK? ... the Vamp DK.
Which is more powerful, a Human Sorc or a Vamp Sorc? ... the Vamp Sorc.
Which is more powerful, a Human Temp or a Vamp Temp? ... the Vamp Temp.
Which is more powerful, a Human NB or a Vamp NB? ... the Vamp NB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6UPBx0dmeQ
*grin*
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭orxan.qayibovb16_ESO wrote: »
not vamp, temp is same OP with save skill(BS) stun etc and yes vamp give him more ability best pvp char for now but also it has weaknesses. want to know as? great temp vamp and play with him if u have temp u know ittimidobserver wrote: »I am a proud vamp and I admit that vamp is OP. As a Templar, Bat Swarm is by far the most powerful ultimate that I have access to. As a Templar, it's like casting a slightly weaker, self heal only, mobile version of practiced incantation at the same time as a mobile, slightly weaker Nova at less than 1/2 the ultimate cost of Nova or Practiced Incantation.
It is kind of hard to understand what you are saying, but my post was mostly about Batswarm and how it compares to the ultimates that a Templar has access to. For self benefit, it about as good as two templar ultimates put together and it costs half as much.
I use the heck out of my Batswarm and I like it, and I will continue to use it without feeling bad at all. However, I don't have an issue admitting that is a bit OP.Edited by timidobserver on September 10, 2014 6:32AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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Draxuul✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Vamps by themselves are not OP.
Which is more powerful, a Human DK or a Vamp DK? ... the Vamp DK.
Which is more powerful, a Human Sorc or a Vamp Sorc? ... the Vamp Sorc.
Which is more powerful, a Human Temp or a Vamp Temp? ... the Vamp Temp.
Which is more powerful, a Human NB or a Vamp NB? ... the Vamp NB.
Untill someone is smart enough to start exploiting vamps weaknesses .
Vamp comes at me with bat swarm , my reaction would be to use my own ult . I`m a templar , so my ult from the restoring light tree heals me so much that there is no way he could OUT-DPS the healing i`m getting from the ult. By the time my ult is over, his bat swarms is also over.So both ults would simply cancel eachother.
I could also probably use Nova , it would reduce his damage by 30% while he`s inside as well as dealing damage to him every second. Maybe even enough to make him decide to get out of it depending on how effective his bats are and how much healing he`s getting out of it .
Think i`d still go for the healing ult rather than Nova though but i might try it once i get there.
Also fighter`s guild abilities do extra damage against vamps , as well as fire damage, so yeah, vamps are only OP if you let them be OP by refusing to exploit their weaknesses.
DraxuulBe who you want to be , do what you want to do, play the way you want to play.
The Prophet once said :``There is no perfect choice , there are only other choices. ``
Same goes for your build. There is no perfect build, there are only other builds.
My name is Draxuul and i approve this message .5 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did someone in this thread actually say Templar is OP? No wonder why Zenimax doesn't respond to player feedback.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
indigoblades✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I am a proud vamp and I admit that vamp is OP. As a Templar, Bat Swarm is by far the most powerful ultimate that I have access to. As a Templar, it's like casting a slightly weaker, self heal only, mobile version of practiced incantation at the same time as a mobile, slightly weaker Nova at less than 1/2 the ultimate cost of Nova or Practiced Incantation.
As a Sorc, silence morphed is a way more powerful AOE ult for me & i try to keep a single target ult which leaves no room for Bat swarm ... its was fun to use pre VR tho.
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✭✭✭✭Oh god.. Not another one..
Perhaps the forum Devs can offer a template option so save these people some time.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS1
