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dcincali✭✭✭✭decado0024_ESO wrote: »
obviously others would rather accuse a guild.
please stop posting on this thread. your going to get it closed again. the fact remains there is a guild coordinating to crash this server when they get in trouble not going to point out who but it is happening if you are going to sit here on this thread and try and make excuses as to other reasons its happening you are going to anger ppl and the thread will get closed again. like Agrippa said the fact that this CAN happen is now the issue. I agree completely if this continues it will cause the game to fail and as a side issue we pay a subscription fee for this game im not trying to say it needs to be fixed yesterday but an official post from zenimax would be helpful. At the very least confirmation they have eyes on it but better yet their proposed plan of action.
There's no proof that this can be done intentionally, and less that it is being done intentionally. Your assumption is that a guild is coordinating to crash a server. It's NOT A FACT. Prove it or pipe down.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:ive seen people in /yell encouraging healing springs spam to crash server when theres 1 keep left to dethrone emp. most of us are completely against this because it takes all the fun out of the game, but a few dc are just doing it to grief at this point.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:wow, are those scrubs seriously guesting in to this server to ruin it for us as well? they lag out the server by grouping up in a ball of 75+ then spam healing springs and then throw their bodies on a flag and try to flip the keep while everyone is lagged out.
PLEASE do not associate these scrubs with DC, just think of them as a different faction than us, like someone else said
From a DC player in other threads (if you want the name pm me). Please go on about how its not done intentionally....
Edited by dcincali on September 8, 2014 10:43PM1 -
Kevinmon✭✭✭✭ZOS needs to fix this asap and all involved players need to be banned.Edited by Kevinmon on September 8, 2014 10:46PM0 -
Malveria✭✭✭✭This is NOT about pointing fingers. Please don't get this thread closed again. This is about an ongoing issue that Zenimax needs to address, in that this ability EXISTS in the first place.
Don't just sit here Zeni. Say something.Venatus0 -
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✭Pixysticks wrote: »
The fact that I have been in Teamspeak on my week off from work almost every night and never once heard the raid leader say "Charge ultimates to crash the server, we're losing!" Standard Pug order is "Stand at bottom of stairs and charge your ultimates." And it makes sense. Your ults are the most powerful spells, and you want to cap flags quickly.
The accusation you are making is pretty bold and unwarranted. We have a guild that makes a large presence in Cyrodiil and when 100-200 players are casting heals and AOEs, yeah it creates lag. The ownership is on ZOS to create a server that can host large scale PvP. EG's not crashing the server intentionally.1 -
Xallus✭✭✭Pixysticks wrote: »
Eye witness testimony to both beneficial and detrimental crashes/rollbacks.0 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pixysticks wrote: »
Eye witness testimony to both beneficial and detrimental crashes/rollbacks.
The "unknown error" crash was fixed (seemingly) when I repaired launcher.
Having spent about 20-22 hours in Teamspeak with EG last week/weekend also testifies there were no intentional crashes.
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Xallus✭✭✭decado0024_ESO wrote: »
obviously others would rather accuse a guild.
please stop posting on this thread. your going to get it closed again. the fact remains there is a guild coordinating to crash this server when they get in trouble not going to point out who but it is happening if you are going to sit here on this thread and try and make excuses as to other reasons its happening you are going to anger ppl and the thread will get closed again. like Agrippa said the fact that this CAN happen is now the issue. I agree completely if this continues it will cause the game to fail and as a side issue we pay a subscription fee for this game im not trying to say it needs to be fixed yesterday but an official post from zenimax would be helpful. At the very least confirmation they have eyes on it but better yet their proposed plan of action.
There's no proof that this can be done intentionally, and less that it is being done intentionally. Your assumption is that a guild is coordinating to crash a server. It's NOT A FACT. Prove it or pipe down.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:ive seen people in /yell encouraging healing springs spam to crash server when theres 1 keep left to dethrone emp. most of us are completely against this because it takes all the fun out of the game, but a few dc are just doing it to grief at this point.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:wow, are those scrubs seriously guesting in to this server to ruin it for us as well? they lag out the server by grouping up in a ball of 75+ then spam healing springs and then throw their bodies on a flag and try to flip the keep while everyone is lagged out.
PLEASE do not associate these scrubs with DC, just think of them as a different faction than us, like someone else said
From a DC player in other threads (if you want the name pm me). Please go on about how its not done intentionally....
So this guy brings the info of all this happening and not a single screenshot huh?
You're being trolled for your vulnerability to conspiracy theories.1 -
Malveria✭✭✭✭THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT POINTING THE FINGER. This thread is about keeping track of, and noting when, server wide crashes and rollbacks occur.
Rollbacks are not client-side. A single client crashing does not cause a scroll to be reset, or an Emperorship to be removed. This is about PVP server crashes that result in rollbacks.
Stop trying to find WHO is doing it, or WHY. We're here to address the fact that it is happening. That is not paranoia, it's fact. Zenimax needs to address that it's possible in the first place.
Please stay on subject.Venatus1 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭the whiners would rather accuse one guild who miraculously manages to crash an entire server. these same people think that the moon landing never happened. lol just lol.1 -
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✭✭Honestly, the fact that we know it is possible should be the end of our conversation (and this thread) and the beginning of ZOS' action. Unfortunately, if we apply patterns from prior issues, we will be waiting on both action and word that they're taking action for a while.2013
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭no one has proven intentionally crashing the server is possible. all we know is that the server crashes.1 -
Malveria✭✭✭✭So what are you claiming has been shown to be possible?
Unless you have something that actually contributes to this forum topic, stop. You are derailing for no reason. This is not about if people are doing it, or how. Stop trying to make it about that. Rollbacks happen, rollbacks have happened. This thread is about dealing with the rollbacks and crashes. Let's stay on topic.Edited by Malveria on September 9, 2014 6:43AMVenatus0 -
Xallus✭✭✭So what are you claiming has been shown to be possible?
Unless you have something that actually contributes to this forum topic, stop. You are derailing for no reason. This is not about if people are doing it, or how. Stop trying to make it about that. Rollbacks happen, rollbacks have happened. This thread is about dealing with the rollbacks and crashes. Let's stay on topic.
Your original post included the word "deliberate," did you mean deliberately building ultimates and using the best group heal in the game?
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Malveria✭✭✭✭So what are you claiming has been shown to be possible?
Unless you have something that actually contributes to this forum topic, stop. You are derailing for no reason. This is not about if people are doing it, or how. Stop trying to make it about that. Rollbacks happen, rollbacks have happened. This thread is about dealing with the rollbacks and crashes. Let's stay on topic.
Your original post included the word "deliberate," did you mean deliberately building ultimates and using the best group heal in the game?
It doesn't matter HOW. The fact that it is possible to be done - and by large accounts done deliberately - needs to be addressed. If we remove the capacity for it being possible at all, deliberate or no, the problem ends.Venatus0 -
Aminals✭✭✭Regardless of whether these things are done intentionally, it's annoying to deal with locked populations because my client often crashes as a result. I've heard that intro song so many times now.
Also I notice it happens a lot when the terrain changes eg when a wall is taken down.
My computer can handle the game just fine until these sorts of encounters, which makes dealing with 'zergs' a pain I sometimes need to avoid in order to have fun. Usually not though.Edited by Aminals on September 9, 2014 11:03AMApollos0 -
Xallus✭✭✭So what are you claiming has been shown to be possible?
Unless you have something that actually contributes to this forum topic, stop. You are derailing for no reason. This is not about if people are doing it, or how. Stop trying to make it about that. Rollbacks happen, rollbacks have happened. This thread is about dealing with the rollbacks and crashes. Let's stay on topic.
Your original post included the word "deliberate," did you mean deliberately building ultimates and using the best group heal in the game?
It doesn't matter HOW. The fact that it is possible to be done - and by large accounts done deliberately - needs to be addressed. If we remove the capacity for it being possible at all, deliberate or no, the problem ends.
So you're saying noone is trying to crash the server, but deliberately just trying to heal and build ultimates. Finally someone rational that realizes a large unified force doing what everyone else does, but in large forces accidentally overwhelms the servers from time to time, simply because they have a single guild that encompasses 75% of a faction.
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Malveria✭✭✭✭Can we stop with the pettiness, please? It's getting ridiculous. Stop mincing words and changing things around to try and puff your chest out and be 'right'. This is detrimentally affecting all of us. Let's focus on that, shall we.Venatus1
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Malveria✭✭✭✭Regardless of whether these things things are done intentionally, it's annoying to deal with locked populations because my client often crashes as a result. I've heard that intro song so many times now.
Also I notice it happens a lot when the terrain changes eg when a wall is taken down.
My computer can handle the game just fine until these sorts of encounters, which makes dealing with 'zergs' a pain I sometimes need to avoid in order to have fun. Usually not though.
This is not about client-side crashes. This is about server crashes and rollbacks. Please stay on topic.Venatus1 -
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dcincali✭✭✭✭decado0024_ESO wrote: »
obviously others would rather accuse a guild.
please stop posting on this thread. your going to get it closed again. the fact remains there is a guild coordinating to crash this server when they get in trouble not going to point out who but it is happening if you are going to sit here on this thread and try and make excuses as to other reasons its happening you are going to anger ppl and the thread will get closed again. like Agrippa said the fact that this CAN happen is now the issue. I agree completely if this continues it will cause the game to fail and as a side issue we pay a subscription fee for this game im not trying to say it needs to be fixed yesterday but an official post from zenimax would be helpful. At the very least confirmation they have eyes on it but better yet their proposed plan of action.
There's no proof that this can be done intentionally, and less that it is being done intentionally. Your assumption is that a guild is coordinating to crash a server. It's NOT A FACT. Prove it or pipe down.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:ive seen people in /yell encouraging healing springs spam to crash server when theres 1 keep left to dethrone emp. most of us are completely against this because it takes all the fun out of the game, but a few dc are just doing it to grief at this point.XXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:wow, are those scrubs seriously guesting in to this server to ruin it for us as well? they lag out the server by grouping up in a ball of 75+ then spam healing springs and then throw their bodies on a flag and try to flip the keep while everyone is lagged out.
PLEASE do not associate these scrubs with DC, just think of them as a different faction than us, like someone else said
From a DC player in other threads (if you want the name pm me). Please go on about how its not done intentionally....
So this guy brings the info of all this happening and not a single screenshot huh?
You're being trolled for your vulnerability to conspiracy theories.
Screenshots are not needed when you have been present during these events. Which, since you are asking for them, you obviously have never been. So, back on topic. Yes it is possible to trollback a server and this needs to be addressed. I do believe that the devs were trying to mimic said events on the PTS but were only able to get about 20 ppl to assist. So they are aware of the issue, they just didn't have the 200+ ppl in one area to simulate the live server.
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✭✭✭I just realized this really belongs here --
The lag on Thornblade last night was really, really bad.
Especially the two captures of BRK, first to yellow then back to red. Each time, when the capturing faction was stacking the flags and healing themselves to stay alive (a natural thing to do), the game lag got phenomenally bad. There was 15-20 skill lag through the entirety of Cyrodiil (not just the BRK area).
We would impulse or steel tornado or try to dump oil pots on the flags to defend it during the first keep capture and nothing happened. You couldn't interact with the pre-existing oil pots, couldn't create new ones, Impulse and other AEs did nothing. Frag shields and blazing shields kind of worked, but not well, and little damage was being registered either way. AD didn't kill my team, we all had pages full of guard spam after the flags flipped through sheer weight of numbers.
Myself, in trying to place siege during it, bugged out and couldn't place siege again until I relogged my game client.
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I think I have now seen, in its full glory, the awfulness that is the zergball flag flip. It makes the game unplayable and is utterly frustrating to deal with.
We didn't crash last night, but we were puckering up in expectation of it. I am now even more firmly in agreement with the OP and others.
FIX THIS CRAP ZOS.
If I'm going to lose, let me go down fighting, and give it my best. Don't make me sit there, lagged to hell, unable to play.Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on September 9, 2014 4:48PMAgrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Ok show us the cause and effect. I hate rollbacks too. Would love proof of what actions we can take to reduce them, not anecdotes and baseless accusations.
Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on September 10, 2014 2:17AM1 -
Nala_✭✭✭✭Would love proof of what actions we can take to reduce them,
how about reading ANY POST in the 100 threads that have been made about what is causing the crashes and how to prevent, are you serious right now or do you just enter these threads to deliberately derail them, man how have you not been permabanned off the forums by now lmao0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »I just realized this really belongs here --
The lag on Thornblade last night was really, really bad.
Especially the two captures of BRK, first to yellow then back to red. Each time, when the capturing faction was stacking the flags and healing themselves to stay alive (a natural thing to do), the game lag got phenomenally bad. There was 15-20 skill lag through the entirety of Cyrodiil (not just the BRK area).
We would impulse or steel tornado or try to dump oil pots on the flags to defend it during the first keep capture and nothing happened. You couldn't interact with the pre-existing oil pots, couldn't create new ones, Impulse and other AEs did nothing. Frag shields and blazing shields kind of worked, but not well, and little damage was being registered either way. AD didn't kill my team, we all had pages full of guard spam after the flags flipped through sheer weight of numbers.
Myself, in trying to place siege during it, bugged out and couldn't place siege again until I relogged my game client.
EDIT:
I think I have now seen, in its full glory, the awfulness that is the zergball flag flip. It makes the game unplayable and is utterly frustrating to deal with.
We didn't crash last night, but we were puckering up in expectation of it. I am now even more firmly in agreement with the OP and others.
FIX THIS CRAP ZOS.
If I'm going to lose, let me go down fighting, and give it my best. Don't make me sit there, lagged to hell, unable to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJFi1SYcaFQ&list=UUXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2BqTrX8zVk&list=UUXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
Go back and look at the threads I made on this subject back then... People were flat out telling me I was wrong, and Zerg Balls wasn't causing Lag.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-horrible-aoe-cap/
Go look at those forum posts on Tamriel foundry.
So i'm glad you've finally come to the realization that Zergballs are causing it... me and Lowbei been going on for months about it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭Would love proof of what actions we can take to reduce them,
how about reading ANY POST in the 100 threads that have been made about what is causing the crashes and how to prevent, are you serious right now or do you just enter these threads to deliberately derail them, man how have you not been permabanned off the forums by now lmao
Yes, but claims of cause and effect vs video evidence of what's causing the crashes aren't the same thing. I am willing to assume that what you say is correct, but if you plan to accuse a guild, that doesn't wash.
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jaebdub✭✭✭Would love proof of what actions we can take to reduce them,
how about reading ANY POST in the 100 threads that have been made about what is causing the crashes and how to prevent, are you serious right now or do you just enter these threads to deliberately derail them, man how have you not been permabanned off the forums by now lmao
Yes, but claims of cause and effect vs video evidence of what's causing the crashes aren't the same thing. I am willing to assume that what you say is correct, but if you plan to accuse a guild, that doesn't wash.
Nobody here is trying to accuse a guild. Please stop yourself from derailing this thread.Jagermeister - v14 NB
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