Hmm I wonder which server that is

It seems bugged!

The system seems ridiculous. Why does it scale so heavily.

The devs like the oceanic alliance

It apparently lasts 12 hours, unknown if the duration starts over any time in that 12 hour period.

PTS notes have haderous specifically dropping from 12hr to 2 hour bonus intervals.

The low pop bonus is not nearly as effective as drawing players to a campaign as a noticeably increased rate of earning AP is. Increasing one's Alliance War rank along with the associated skill points, titles and dyes seems to be more of a motivator for players than winning a campaign.

The low population bonus should be applying personal AP rewards to the underdog players. That would encourage more players and more organized players to join that faction.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The scoring evaluation bonus (underdog) will apply a 3x score value currently to capturing keeps from the winning alliance. If you capture keeps from the non winning alliance, they just count for regular scoring.

Are you seeing that it's applying the 3x bonus on any keep captured?

Also note this system has been in Cyrodiil since launch but may not have been as visible in the 90 day campaigns.

Some of the values DC has been receiving on Thornblade over this last weekend are extremely high, oft times breaking +500 points per hour with stacked Low Population and Low Score bonuses. This is with holding, at most, only one of their own scrolls.

Don't get me wrong -- I want the DC players to stay in the game and feel like they have a chance -- but as an EP player we don't want to chase DC off the map so that we're fighting AD without a third faction present. The sheer size of the bonus they are receiving though is such that it's hard not to be tempted to stomp on the under-under dog a bit as the 2nd Place faction to prevent them from catching up to us.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The scoring evaluation bonus (underdog) will apply a 3x score value currently to capturing keeps from the winning alliance. If you capture keeps from the non winning alliance, they just count for regular scoring.

Are you seeing that it's applying the 3x bonus on any keep captured?

Also note this system has been in Cyrodiil since launch but may not have been as visible in the 90 day campaigns.

What's happening is that, with both the low score and low population underdog bonuses, their hourly tics they get on their alliance scoreboard is way too high, With just their home keeps retaken right now, no scrolls, they are getting 255 points a tic. When they had one scroll and a few of the circular keeps to go along with their home keeps, they got up to 524 points per tic, easily getting many more points per tic than EP who had 3 scrolls at the time with most home keeps.

This is something they are getting as well as getting more AP when you capture a keep from the winning team as you mention.

Low pop bonus is cool and all, but the duration of it is off the chain. It should end not 1 hour after they get the population back up.

To be fair - DC did cap Brindle, Roe and Alessia when that 500 points was ticking. We defended roe long enough to get that 500 pint tick - and then lost it right after the score evaluation.

Once we lost those three keeps our score did drop dramatically. I think the system is working as intended - and EP needs to hold more AD keeps than DC keeps which is how it should be.

EP should prolly fight for blue keeps if they are AD home keeps. Not take blue keeps in blue territory.

I think that's what the system favors. Based on the response anyway.

bitaken wrote: »

EP needs to hold more AD keeps than DC keeps which is how it should be.

I think you have it backward. DC is getting triple points for each keep it takes from AD (regardless of whose "home" keep each is).

So EP needs to take any currently DC held keep that was previously held by AD.

That make sense?

God, I hate having to metagame things like this.

and NOW..we have blues hitting every keep with full raids?....at two bar pop?..cmon...DC are teleporting ppl into campaign..clear as day

Tintinabula wrote: »

and NOW..we have blues hitting every keep with full raids?....at two bar pop?..cmon...DC are teleporting ppl into campaign..clear as day

Wait a second. You're complaining with DC at two bar pop? EP was locked. EG came to play because Chill was dead and they did a great job working with me and working together we were bale to pull our offensive scroll back. Are you seriously mad that you lost one scroll? You have the lead in the campaign and are still getting low score bonus - so where is the bug now?

ok, I was going to save this for a thread I was going to start but might as well just post it here since the discussion has been started........I took these 3 SS over the weekend when I noticed the stupid bonuses occurring.

Pay special attention to the point ticks being awarded vs what EP controls/owns vs DC. Total BS that EP has nearly twice the keeps and 4 scrolls yet DC is BEATING EP in point ticks?!

I'm all for helping the underdogs but EP are JUST as much an underdog to AD. They are obviously working WAY harder than DC to take/hold objectives but yet are making less points. It makes zero sense.



Now to be fair, when the first SS was taken, EP was at 3 bars while DC was at 2 but that should not justify getting MORE pts for doing very little.

What is even more outrageous however is the last SS (far right). Notice that DC is now AHEAD of EP in keeps and resources (only lagging is scrolls) and is a mere 1k behind in pts compared to EP (which I would call a wash) but is now getting literally 2.5x the pts??? So DC shows some effort and get 2.5x the points while EP is getting pounded by both AD and DC and are rewarded with jack****?

(I would also like to point out that when the last SS was taken ALL 3 pops were capped so DC should NOT be getting a low population bonus.)


Zenimax your system is completely out of whack. At the VERY least the population/low score bonus should be assessed BEFORE each and every tick (and probably updated at least every 15mins)

Underdogs need a defensive/offensive bonus to make the top dog taking objectives more difficult, not just handing free points out to the last spot.

PlagueMonk wrote: »

ok, I was going to save this for a thread I was going to start but might as well just post it here since the discussion has been started........

There's a low population bonus as well. Don't know if this is an ideal solution however...