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From Templar to Dragonknight in cyrodiil
FluffiestOne
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Templar: 1v1s being hard
DK: 1v10 rolfstomp all the noobs with ease
Templar: Had to self heal or spam shields
DK: GDB razer armour charge in lolkidzcome@me
Templar: Skills
DK: lolwut? talonsx50 udeadbor
Templar: Took a group to take a resource
DK: roflstomp+syrabane=all the resources
Templar: Required synergy
DK: Kidplz. Magma whip
DK: 1v10 rolfstomp all the noobs with ease
Templar: Had to self heal or spam shields
DK: GDB razer armour charge in lolkidzcome@me
Templar: Skills
DK: lolwut? talonsx50 udeadbor
Templar: Took a group to take a resource
DK: roflstomp+syrabane=all the resources
Templar: Required synergy
DK: Kidplz. Magma whip
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Braidas✭✭✭✭✭
you werent playin yo temp rightFluffiestOne wrote: »Templar: 1v1s being hard
DK: 1v10 rolfstomp all the noobs with ease
Templar: Had to self heal or spam shields
DK: GDB razer armour charge in lolkidzcome@me
Templar: Skills
DK: lolwut? talonsx50 udeadbor
Templar: Took a group to take a resource
DK: roflstomp+syrabane=all the resources
Templar: Required synergy
DK: Kidplz. Magma whip
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Pancake-Tragedy✭✭✭✭✭DKs be like:
Edited by Pancake-Tragedy on September 8, 2014 3:34PMPancake Tragedy - Sorcerer6 -
DontBeAfraid✭✭✭i dont understand this thread.
another seneless and stupid QQ thread about dks being "OP"?
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✭✭✭✭Templar are pretty neglible in the damage department once you learn how to impenetrable. However, they can survive pretty well. When doing small group combat, I typically ignore temps until last.Edited by timidobserver on September 8, 2014 2:50PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Tripwyr✭✭✭✭✭If you honestly believe that Templars don't have a competitive edge in PvP, you are sadly mistaken.Alacrity Founder | Forum Emperor
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Nala_✭✭✭✭this thread is 100% accurate if it just had the small edit of going from a "pre 1.3 templar to a dk in cyrodiil".
1.3 templars are as OP as dks are because of blazing shield not hindering there magicka regen and now they just spam it over and over and over and over.
but i agree with this post because im sure it took the OP a little while to reroll so he was prolly just compareing 1.2 templars which were balanced, to OP DKs and not 1.3 op templars to op dks.0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nightblades can solo a resource as well. Syrabane set no longer gives magkica on reflect. I don't know why it takes a whole group. 2 people can take it with a bow, or ranged and propelling shield.
I don't know what the big deal about talons is at this point. I don't even roll out of it, there's no reason too.Edited by Armitas on September 8, 2014 4:44PMRetired.
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Braidas✭✭✭✭✭
every class can solo a resoNightblades can solo a resource as well. Syrabane set no longer gives magkica on reflect. I don't know why it takes a whole group. 2 people can take it with a bow, or ranged and propelling shield.
I don't what the big deal about talons is at this point. I don't even roll out of it, there's no reason too.
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✭NB 5 months later still trying to invent away to tank and KILL like a DK...Edited by TheBull on September 8, 2014 4:45PMKilled by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Pancake-Tragedy✭✭✭✭✭NB 5 months later still trying to invent away to tank and KILL like a DK...
SnB NB's can tank and kill quite effectively...
Try a combination of these skills - Sap essence, defensive stance, immovable, and veil of blades. Off-hand resto staff for ranged attacks and heals.
TA-DA! You can now tank 6-8 players easily, and kill the bad ones, just like DKs do.Pancake Tragedy - Sorcerer5 -
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✭this thread is 100% accurate if it just had the small edit of going from a "pre 1.3 templar to a dk in cyrodiil".
1.3 templars are as OP as dks are because of blazing shield not hindering there magicka regen and now they just spam it over and over and over and over.
but i agree with this post because im sure it took the OP a little while to reroll so he was prolly just compareing 1.2 templars which were balanced, to OP DKs and not 1.3 op templars to op dks.
This is true 1v1. Especially since Templar smart heals becomes self heals, in that situation. Loads of ST CC and utility. Blazing Shield also turn them into demi-gods against mele, if you use a gap closer you can bomb the ranged as well.
But as far as group PvP goes, than Templars are way weaker face-tanks than DK's. They drop much faster. They dont have the DK passives and skills to keep up block and resources. All they can do is sacrifice magicka to boost their stamina recovery. They have no PBAoE to keep people cc'ed or to leech. Templar lacks self heals in groups, since smart heals usually goes to someone else. Also no reflect against multiple ranged casters, which is something like 90% of the Cyrodiil population.
It doesn't really matter how you build your Sorcerer, NB or Templar. You will never be able to endure multiple enemies in PvP like a DK. That's what people keep seeing in PvP, therefore assuming DK's are the masters of the universe. But balance is so much more than ability to face-tank. There's no fancy rewards or AP showers, solely for staying alive. You actually need to kill stuff.0 -
Nala_✭✭✭✭It doesn't really matter how you build your Sorcerer, NB or Templar. You will never be able to endure multiple enemies in PvP like a DK. That's what people keep seeing in PvP, therefore assuming DK's are the masters of the universe. But balance is so much more than ability to face-tank. There's no fancy rewards or AP showers, solely for staying alive. You actually need to kill stuff.
besides being the tankiest class in the game, you have some of the best self healing, and you are the class with the best aoe damage. so yes it does rain AP solely for staying alive when your banner is soloing 6 other people at a time2 -
Braidas✭✭✭✭✭
not at all true dude
It doesn't really matter how you build your Sorcerer, NB or Templar. You will never be able to endure multiple enemies in PvP like a DK.this thread is 100% accurate if it just had the small edit of going from a "pre 1.3 templar to a dk in cyrodiil".
1.3 templars are as OP as dks are because of blazing shield not hindering there magicka regen and now they just spam it over and over and over and over.
but i agree with this post because im sure it took the OP a little while to reroll so he was prolly just compareing 1.2 templars which were balanced, to OP DKs and not 1.3 op templars to op dks.3 -
Nala_✭✭✭✭Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »
not at all true dude
It doesn't really matter how you build your Sorcerer, NB or Templar. You will never be able to endure multiple enemies in PvP like a DK.this thread is 100% accurate if it just had the small edit of going from a "pre 1.3 templar to a dk in cyrodiil".
1.3 templars are as OP as dks are because of blazing shield not hindering there magicka regen and now they just spam it over and over and over and over.
but i agree with this post because im sure it took the OP a little while to reroll so he was prolly just compareing 1.2 templars which were balanced, to OP DKs and not 1.3 op templars to op dks.
nb and temps can be as tanky as DKs, sorc doesnt have anything thats going to give you the survivability of green dragon blood and reflect, or a heavy snb nb, or an snb temp with blazing and heals. sorcs only selfheal doesnt even work because of impen lmao
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✭Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »
not at all true dude
It doesn't really matter how you build your Sorcerer, NB or Templar. You will never be able to endure multiple enemies in PvP like a DK.this thread is 100% accurate if it just had the small edit of going from a "pre 1.3 templar to a dk in cyrodiil".
1.3 templars are as OP as dks are because of blazing shield not hindering there magicka regen and now they just spam it over and over and over and over.
but i agree with this post because im sure it took the OP a little while to reroll so he was prolly just compareing 1.2 templars which were balanced, to OP DKs and not 1.3 op templars to op dks.
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FluffiestOne✭✭✭✭To elaborate on my thoughts, Dks are more powerful than templars when you are not using unbreakable CCs and blazing shield spamming. When you factor in both bull****ery, they can rival each other. ~FluffFluffy
Senior Fluffykins, Daggerfall Liberator of Haderus, Dragonknight.
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I get a kick out of watching NBs wiggle around in VoB, flapping there arms but nothing dying. All the while Temp shields are exploding and DKs are melting people in fire.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »NB 5 months later still trying to invent away to tank and KILL like a DK...
SnB NB's can tank and kill quite effectively...
Try a combination of these skills - Sap essence, defensive stance, immovable, and veil of blades. Off-hand resto staff for ranged attacks and heals.
TA-DA! You can now tank 6-8 players easily, and kill the bad ones, just like DKs do.
Edited by TheBull on September 8, 2014 7:02PMKilled by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
Killed by Early Bright - Blood Flow - Magicka NB Build
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I get a kick out of watching NBs wiggle around in VoB, flapping there arms but nothing dying. All the while Temp shields are exploding and DKs are melting people in fire.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »NB 5 months later still trying to invent away to tank and KILL like a DK...
SnB NB's can tank and kill quite effectively...
Try a combination of these skills - Sap essence, defensive stance, immovable, and veil of blades. Off-hand resto staff for ranged attacks and heals.
TA-DA! You can now tank 6-8 players easily, and kill the bad ones, just like DKs do.
If you think a good NB coupled with VoB kills nothing then you haven't been running with very good NBs....2 -
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I get a kick out of watching NBs wiggle around in VoB, flapping there arms but nothing dying. All the while Temp shields are exploding and DKs are melting people in fire.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »NB 5 months later still trying to invent away to tank and KILL like a DK...
SnB NB's can tank and kill quite effectively...
Try a combination of these skills - Sap essence, defensive stance, immovable, and veil of blades. Off-hand resto staff for ranged attacks and heals.
TA-DA! You can now tank 6-8 players easily, and kill the bad ones, just like DKs do.
If you think a good NB coupled with VoB kills nothing then you haven't been running with very good NBs....
Its true not that much dmg, but damn its good for pushing big groups back. No healing debuf like standard does.
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✭It doesn't compare to a standard, no and its primarily the healing debuff that sets standard apart from other ultimates, but that isn't to say a NB doesn't kill anythingEdited by Huntler on September 8, 2014 7:17PM0 -
Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]0 -
Nala_✭✭✭✭Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)
yeah the game is templars and dks, nbs have a decent niche spot, and sorcs are pretty much just negate bots. thats pvp in a nutshell0 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)
yeah the game is templars and dks, nbs have a decent niche spot, and sorcs are pretty much just negate bots. thats pvp in a nutshell
Basically.... but I'll happily dance in a veil anytime...0 -
Nala_✭✭✭✭Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)
yeah the game is templars and dks, nbs have a decent niche spot, and sorcs are pretty much just negate bots. thats pvp in a nutshell
Basically.... but I'll happily dance in a veil anytime...
so then the only obvious thing to do is nerf sorcs
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✭✭✭Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)
yeah the game is templars and dks, nbs have a decent niche spot, and sorcs are pretty much just negate bots. thats pvp in a nutshell
Seriously you think don't Sorcs rock PVP?
Vamp Sorc - Mistform, shieldstacking + streak, ya they don't rock O.o
I have seen plenty of near un-killable Sorcs. I'd much rather face a DK or NBEdited by Skwor on September 8, 2014 8:43PM3 -
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✭skwornub18_ESO wrote: »Templars are more stronger and dangerous than Dks in 1v1 fights, but when it comes to 1vX, they are clearly worse. Sure they still can survive and win the fight. But it requires much more player skill, endurance, attention and a bit of luck because of the problems in resource regainment of the class and lack of AoE CCs and high cost of their nova ultimate. (no vampire and no shield exploit attached)
yeah the game is templars and dks, nbs have a decent niche spot, and sorcs are pretty much just negate bots. thats pvp in a nutshell
Seriously you think don't Sorcs rock PVP?
Vamp Sorc - Mistform, shieldstacking + streak, ya they don't rock O.o
I have seen plenty of near un-killable Sorcs. I'd much rather face a DK or NB
This is where we are talking about different types of fighting in PvP. Nala is talking about big fights, zerg smashing, etc. while you seem to be talking more of small scale fighting. Vamp sorcs using what you said are more of a nuisance really, their negate is what affects the fight thus the "negate bot" comment. Its kinda true unfortunately. Not to say sorcs suck, but in the current meta that is just the way things are.0 -
JLB✭✭✭✭Seems like Sorcerers rock, Templars rock, DKs rock and NBs rock depending on the situation. I'd say the game is starting to be (slightly) balanced.0
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Nala_✭✭✭✭skwornub18_ESO wrote: »Seriously you think don't Sorcs rock PVP?
Mistform, shieldstacking + streak, ya they don't rock O.o
you named a vampire ability, then a vague reference to the stacking of shields that every class has access to, then streak (which is being nerfed) as evidence that sorcs currently rock
not to mention i never said sorcs didnt rock, but as the way the game is now the only reason you would bring a sorc is to cast negate, the other classes all do everything else better than them0 -
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✭✭✭✭skwornub18_ESO wrote: »Seriously you think don't Sorcs rock PVP?
Mistform, shieldstacking + streak, ya they don't rock O.o
not to mention i never said sorcs didnt rock, but as the way the game is now the only reason you would bring a sorc is to cast negate, the other classes all do everything else better than them
Think of it this way. You get to do something besides spam impulse.
Edited by Armitas on September 8, 2014 9:04PMRetired.
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭skwornub18_ESO wrote: »Seriously you think don't Sorcs rock PVP?
Mistform, shieldstacking + streak, ya they don't rock O.o
not to mention i never said sorcs didnt rock, but as the way the game is now the only reason you would bring a sorc is to cast negate, the other classes all do everything else better than them
Think of it this way. You get to do something besides spam impulse.
Well NBs aren't spamming impulse, a Templar isn't spamming Impulse, a Sorc isn't spamming impulse.
IT MUST BE THE DKS THAT ARE SPAMMING IT, NERF DKS.
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